I've condemned Israel for decades, ever since reading the actual sailors version of what happen to the USS Liberty.

 

Their continued 'genocide' ... IMHO ... controlling all aspects of Palestinians' lives, while annexing land for new settlements.  Their continued ignoring and disregard for UN resolutions.

 

Hate that 1 US tax dollar supports Israel.  How that little piss ant country with so few people cause so much problem is mind boggling.

Instead of taking sides, people need to push their leaders to intervene and put an end to the conflict for once and for all. 

 

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hate that 1 US tax dollar supports Israel.  How that little piss ant country with so few people cause so much problem is mind boggling.

 

There is a conspiracy about "Starbucks".

Bucks = $

Star = the Star of David 

So, the conspiracy is that proceeds from Starbucks are going to support Israeal.

 

Don't know if it's true, but I don't go to Starbucks anyway because it's overpriced. 

 

And I just checked the Starbucks website. They need to do some damage control PR against this conspiracy. 

 

https://about.starbucks.com/press/2024/is-starbucks-funding-any-military-operations/

Is Starbucks funding any military operations?

30 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Maybe a more useful question is - why do many Jewish people across the globe condemn Israel's actions?

Why do so many rich white leftists condemn the west? 

 

They feel guilty for how they live, but they have no interest in actually helping the less fortunate, so they virtue signal and claim the moral high ground. It costs them nothing to denounce Israel claim Hamas are freedom fighters, and all their leftist contemporaries will praise them. 

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Yes of course - why not ??

 

It's right to deplore and work against anti-semitism but the process would be a lot easier if we can all acknowledge that it is possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semitic one jot ! Personally I am disgusted by the actions of the Netanyahu Govt. but I am not anti-semitic at all. It IS possible.

 

And that's not to defend Hamas at all !

 

 

'the process would be a lot easier if we can all acknowledge that it is possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-Semitic one jot'

 

I don't agree.It's like saying because one detests Trump one is anti-USA.I doubt whether you have any malice or ant-antisemitism in you.Therefore what I suspect you meant to say was something like -It is possible to be anti Netanyahu/Israeli Government without the slightest hint of antisemitism.It's complicated territory when invoking the state of Israel.There are of course Jews who query its existence but the Jewish people are not a monolithic block.We have to be careful in these times - many of the pro Palestine marchers in the West are indeed disgusting antI semites.How do I know? Because I've seen it with my own eyes in London.

23 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

There is a conspiracy about "Starbucks".

Bucks = $

Star = the Star of David 

So, the conspiracy is that proceeds from Starbucks are going to support Israeal.

 

Don't know if it's true, but I don't go to Starbucks anyway because it's overpriced. 

 

And I just checked the Starbucks website. They need to do some damage control PR against this conspiracy. 

 

https://about.starbucks.com/press/2024/is-starbucks-funding-any-military-operations/

Is Starbucks funding any military operations?

I don't go to SB, because their coffee sucks.   Serving size does justify the price, maybe, along with their overhead.  Blueberry muffins are OK, 'if' fresh.  Been years since indulging at SB.

21 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Not yet.......... the zeitgeist has to change before people come to terms with what was exacted on a largely innocent civilian population.

 

How was the population largely innocent? The population supported, aided and abetted the invasion of Israel, the slaughter of 1200+ unarmed non combatants, the wounding of thousands of non combatant civilians and the taking of 251 people hostage, and then the killing of most of the hostages. On the day of the invasion, 3,000+ militants invaded Israel following an intense barrage of an estimated 5,000 missiles and rockets that were fired from areas in residential  neighborhoods, adjacent to schools, hospitals and public facilities. The militant command and control bunkers were concealed in civilian infrastructure and the hostages were kept in "civilian" locations. The population in large part celebrated the attack on Israel and offered its full support to the operation. All this was done prior to the Israeli attempt to liberate the hostages.

 

On any given day in the Syrian war thousands of civilians died, to make up the 650,000+ dead toll. The same of the Iraq war. On any given day in Darfur, hundreds of Africans can die. And yet you demand that the population of Gaza which supported the  violence of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others be accorded special attention and to be called "innocent".   No non combatants should die. Unfortunately, in Gaza, most everyone who has died is a part of the war.  Rather odd that you are not crying any tears for the Gazans who are now being executed by Hamas and others as the rivalries and corruption play out.

6 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

'the process would be a lot easier if we can all acknowledge that it is possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-Semitic one jot'

 

I don't agree.It's like saying because one detests Trump one is anti-USA.I doubt whether you have any malice or ant-antisemitism in you.Therefore what I suspect you meant to say was something like -It is possible to be anti Netanyahu/Israeli Government without the slightest hint of antisemitism.It's complicated territory when invoking the state of Israel.There are of course Jews who query its existence but the Jewish people are not a monolithic block.We have to be careful in these times - many of the pro Palestine marchers in the West are indeed disgusting antI semites.How do I know? Because I've seen it with my own eyes in London.

But it is not fair to believe Hamas, while assuming Israel is lying. 

 

Palestine admits openly that it wants to eradicate Israel and kill every Jew on the planet. That is what global intifada means. 

 

Israel could easily, at any time, eradicate the Palestinians, yet they have not. 

 

Speaking out against Israel does not make one an antisemite, but redefining “genocide” such that one can claim Israel is committing genocide does. 

I'm not anti anything, religion, politics, sex, etc etc.

I'm a human being, and totally against anyone or entity who wants to harm any of my group, for whatever reason.

I welcome any argument on the basis of the above statement.

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

How was the population largely innocent? The population supported, aided and abetted the invasion of Israel, the slaughter of 1200+ unarmed non combatants, the wounding of thousands of non combatant civilians and the taking of 251 people hostage, and then the killing of most of the hostages. On the day of the invasion, 3,000+ militants invaded Israel following an intense barrage of an estimated 5,000 missiles and rockets that were fired from areas in residential  neighborhoods, adjacent to schools, hospitals and public facilities. The militant command and control bunkers were concealed in civilian infrastructure and the hostages were kept in "civilian" locations. The population in large part celebrated the attack on Israel and offered its full support to the operation. All this was done prior to the Israeli attempt to liberate the hostages.

 

On any given day in the Syrian war thousands of civilians died, to make up the 650,000+ dead toll. The same of the Iraq war. On any given day in Darfur, hundreds of Africans can die. And yet you demand that the population of Gaza which supported the  violence of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others be accorded special attention and to be called "innocent".   No non combatants should die. Unfortunately, in Gaza, most everyone who has died is a part of the war.  Rather odd that you are not crying any tears for the Gazans who are now being executed by Hamas and others as the rivalries and corruption play out.

You will notice that no one ever seems to say the population of Israel is largely innocent. Why? 

 

At least most Germans were ashamed of what they did in WWII, but most Palestinians are proud of the rape, torture, killing and killing of Jewish children.

 

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I'm not anti anything, religion, politics, sex, etc etc.

I'm a human being, and totally against anyone or entity who wants to harm any of my group, for whatever reason.

I welcome any argument on the basis of the above statement.

And anyone that harms your group should not be harmed, correct?

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

And anyone that harms your group should not be harmed, correct?

 

In an ideal world no-one would want to harm anyone in the same group, but if as you say someone did as far as I'm concerned they are no longer welcome in the group and should be banished, ignored and ostracised.

11 minutes ago, mogandave said:

At least most Germans were ashamed of what they did in WWII

 

 

Not sure about that.After WW2 the allies had to to implement a comprehensive programme of denazification.Whether Germans were "ashamed" is very much open to debate.Having said that the Germans in a more general sense have faced up to their history with admirable honesty.The same cannot be said for Russia and China.

11 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Empty - please read the post again. I think it's quite clear. Hamas' brutal Oct 7 was appalling and inhuman and Israel's counter action equally so - many Israeli too hold that view. The almost total destruction of Gaza and what's happened on the West Bank since, is a crying shame.

 

It's possible to be anti-Israel with being anti-semitic one jot. It's not about sides and were the participants Catholic, Muslim, Christian, I would write the same . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

2000 years of crazies fighting. 

23 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

In an ideal world no-one would want to harm anyone in the same group, but if as you say someone did as far as I'm concerned they are no longer welcome in the group and should be banished, ignored and ostracised.

Yes, but I was talking abot the real world, not a perfect world. 

 

You stated:

“I'm not anti anything, religion, politics, sex, etc etc.

I'm a human being, and totally against anyone or entity who wants to harm any of my group, for whatever reason.”

 

And then you went on to say:

“I welcome any argument on the basis of the statement.”

 

 

So to clarify, anyone that harms your group from within or without your group should not be harmed in any way. Is that correct or not? 

 

 

 

 

No need.

 

Israel is condemning itself.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No need.

 

Israel is condemning itself.

 

 

It's actions speak louder than its words

13 hours ago, emptypockets said:

And will continue to do so. 

And welcome young muslim men of fighting age into their countries.

None so blind as he who cannot see.

Ahum your King has just done that with the Qatar air force, the biggest backer of Hamas. 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Yes, but I was talking abot the real world, not a perfect world. 

 

You stated:

“I'm not anti anything, religion, politics, sex, etc etc.

I'm a human being, and totally against anyone or entity who wants to harm any of my group, for whatever reason.”

 

And then you went on to say:

“I welcome any argument on the basis of the statement.”

 

 

So to clarify, anyone that harms your group from within or without your group should not be harmed in any way. Is that correct or not? 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, as I said, if anyone in or outside my group want to harm my group they or it, are not welcome in the group and would be banished, ignored and ostracized. That would be my vision of a perfect World.

In the current real World, we are communicating on an insignificant forum of expats, keyboard warriors with an average age of over 60 years, I would guess, to me it's a bit of banter that makes not a jot of difference to my life, but in my opinion some take it all a bit to serious.

Life is what you personally make it, mines fine as far as I'm concerned. 

11 hours ago, riclag said:

God giveth! How in Gods name can someone condemn them for protecting & defending against  barbaric terror when God & Man gave & promised the land to Israel & the Jews. 

 

AI Overview:

According to the Hebrew Bible, God promised the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants, which includes the Jewish people. This promise is a central theme in the books of Genesis, Exodus, and other parts of the Torah. The land is considered a divine and eternal inheritance for the Jewish people, a belief that is a core part of Jewish identity and history.

 

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel#:~:text=On November 29%2C 1947 the,mandate was scheduled to end.

 

And which god would that be?

 

The god that nobody has ever seen or answered ANY prayers from?

 

The god which somebody thousands of years said that the land is theirs?

 

The god that people pray to a wall, and put their prayer on a piece of paper that god does not even see, (can god even read), and it gets cleared out and thrown away?

Put it this way, the only way to deal with Hamas, Hezbollah and other murderous terrorists' groups is to be meaner and crueler than them and use all tactics, some dirty one, if need be, and weapons at your disposal,

otherwise, there will be no more Israel, and we don't want to give this pleasure to all of those who wants to see Israel gone.

20 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, as I said, if anyone in or outside my group want to harm my group they or it, are not welcome in the group and would be banished, ignored and ostracized. That would be my vision of a perfect World.

In the current real World, we are communicating on an insignificant forum of expats, keyboard warriors with an average age of over 60 years, I would guess, to me it's a bit of banter that makes not a jot of difference to my life, but in my opinion some take it all a bit to serious.

Life is what you personally make it, mines fine as far as I'm concerned. 

Does banishing, ignoring and ostracizing people not harm them? 

 

So if someone from across the river, crossed the river and killed all the boys, and raped all the girls in your group, you would just tell them to go back across the river, and never talk to them again, correct?

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

Does banishing, ignoring and ostracizing people not harm them? 

 

So if someone from across the river, crossed the river and killed all the boys, and raped all the girls in your group, you would just tell them to go back across the river, and never talk to them again, correct?

 

To your first question: Couldn't care in the least, if they wanted to stay in the group they wouldn't have broken the rules.

 

To your 2nd question: in my perfect World, anyone across the river would be on board with the group so would not be coming across said river to do harm.

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

To your first question: Couldn't care in the least, if they wanted to stay in the group they wouldn't have broken the rules.

 

To your 2nd question: in my perfect World, anyone across the river would be on board with the group so would not be coming across said river to do harm.

You claim you are totally against harming anyone, and the when the policies you advocate harm people, you say you don’t care. 

 

And now you’re back to your inane perfect world argument.

 

 

No, no and no....

I support Israel.

Why would anyone condemn any nation?

It's absurd.

I support North Korea too.

Ask better more logical questions. 

Such as do you condemn how the Israeli government carried out its war with Hamas. 

Sick how Hamas keep dead bodies as hostages, yet people here support them

An offensive troll post suggesting a conspiracy theory as fact was removed. 

Not all Israeli vote for the current government, not all Palestine's are Hamas.

Any country that opposes Islam has my support!

I'm quite surprised that any women or homosexuals like Palestine.

I guess they don't mind missing school or being thrown off buildings.