8 dead in Munich mall shooting; police hunt up to 3 suspects

[7by7]

It seems to me all this info on the attacker is coming from the msm via official government sources, so I take it with a pinch of salt, in the belief that they want to down play islamist connections if they can, what we can reasonably belive is that he was Iranian, muslim, murderer what we haven't been told is how this 'non jihadist' came by a gun and a large amount of ammo in a gun controlled country, still sceptical.

If your absurd theory is correct, then explain why the sources you are so sceptical of did not make any attempt to "down play" Islamist terrorism connections in other recent atrocities; such as Nice and the axe attack on a German train?

He is an Iranian/German dual national; but if he is a jihadist why did he shout "I am German?" Surely a jihadist would be emphasising is Islamic roots, not his German ones?

Accept the fact; this attack in Munich is not linked to Islamic terrorism in any way.

It is not even, unfortunately, the first time such an atrocity has happened in Germany; there have been three school massacres carried out by former students; in Winnenden in 2009 where 16 people died, in Emsdetten in 2006 where five people were hurt and the shooter killed himself, and at a school in Erfurt in 2002 where 17 people died. All of the perpetrators in those cases were German; none of them Muslim.

Yes, German gun laws have been made stricter since then, but Germany still has the highest legal gun ownership in the EU, fourth highest in the world; with more guns legally owned per capita than in Mexico, Russia or South Africa.

Reports say that the weapon used in this attack had the serial number filed off; so obviously he obtained it illegally through some means. From what is known about him, obviously this attack was preplanned and he would have found some way of obtaining the weapon.

[Rimmer]

A conspiracy troll post has been removed

[Steely Dan]

Munich mall attack: Calls in Germany for tighter gun laws

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36877388

Amazing ignorance from the German government. " Tighter Gun Laws" .....We are dealing with terrorist armies who don't buy from shops.

The French might as well follow suit and ban heavy goods vehicles.

[lungmi]

Happy Joe pointed it out.

BS followed ( some exceptions.)

US example of AMOK killing, copied in Europe.

[metisdead]

A post containing a link to a site that is not deemed as a credible source of information has been removed.

[dunroaming]

Unbelievable! Still trying to tie this to an Islamic attack boys! Amazing how everyone else is wrong, how is the flat earth society doing these days anyway?

[stander]

Unbelievable! Still trying to tie this to an Islamic attack boys! Amazing how everyone else is wrong, how is the flat earth society doing these days anyway?

The downside of appeasing savages is they simply thirst for more

[MaxYakov]

You stand a better chance of being g killed in an vehicle accident on your way to a "malls,schools, densely populated areas and events, and so on" then being killed by a mentally deranged killer while there in every western country.

It is very important to keep these acts in perspective. Statistically, you are in virtually no increased danger from a mass murderer of any religious persuasion at the mall then you have been in at any time in past.

TH

Then the surviving victims should be more comforted than before since they now know they were hit by a bullet of statistically low probability.

Edited July 24, 2016 by MaxYakov

[sambum]

Whatever the motive turns out to be some things need clarification. First, what of the other two gunmen, have they now vanished? If there were more than one it suggests shared ideology not the madness of a lone wolf lead by his own insanity.

The 'German-Iranian' arrived just two years ago, another triumph for Merkel's immigration policy. The Iranians do have a history of working with Sunni terrorists by the way so don't assume the murderer was automatically Shia.

What stands out most though is the utter incompetence and panic shown by the German government.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/25564/Iranian-refugee-kills-9-in-Munich-mall-%E2%80%98No-motive%E2%80%9D

What a jumble of crap.

1 He was born in Munich

2 His model is Andreas Breivik.

3 Among the 8 victims there are 3 Turkish, 3 Kosovars and a Greek. A choice for tanned people so...

4 This boy was suffering from depression and out of psychiatric hospital care.

In summary, your speculations are totally irrelevant.

All information on Huffington Post. Choose the German edition for details.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/munich-attacks-gunman-obsessed-with-shooting-rampages_uk_57934bf8e4b06d7c426ce688?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

Was he Muslim or are we not allowed to say that.

"The attacker shouted "Allahu Akbar" - question answered?

[MaxYakov]

Whatever the motive turns out to be some things need clarification. First, what of the other two gunmen, have they now vanished? If there were more than one it suggests shared ideology not the madness of a lone wolf lead by his own insanity.

The 'German-Iranian' arrived just two years ago, another triumph for Merkel's immigration policy. The Iranians do have a history of working with Sunni terrorists by the way so don't assume the murderer was automatically Shia.

What stands out most though is the utter incompetence and panic shown by the German government.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/25564/Iranian-refugee-kills-9-in-Munich-mall-%E2%80%98No-motive%E2%80%9D

What a jumble of crap.

1 He was born in Munich

2 His model is Andreas Breivik.

3 Among the 8 victims there are 3 Turkish, 3 Kosovars and a Greek. A choice for tanned people so...

4 This boy was suffering from depression and out of psychiatric hospital care.

In summary, your speculations are totally irrelevant.

All information on Huffington Post. Choose the German edition for details.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/munich-attacks-gunman-obsessed-with-shooting-rampages_uk_57934bf8e4b06d7c426ce688?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

Was he Muslim or are we not allowed to say that.

"The attacker shouted "Allahu Akbar" - question answered?

If he had said it, perhaps he said it sarcastically, as in "Allahu Akbar, <deleted>!"

[Thaiwine]

It seems to me all this info on the attacker is coming from the msm via official government sources, so I take it with a pinch of salt, in the belief that they want to down play islamist connections if they can, what we can reasonably belive is that he was Iranian, muslim, murderer what we haven't been told is how this 'non jihadist' came by a gun and a large amount of ammo in a gun controlled country, still sceptical.

If your absurd theory is correct, then explain why the sources you are so sceptical of did not make any attempt to "down play" Islamist terrorism connections in other recent atrocities; such as Nice and the axe attack on a German train?

He is an Iranian/German dual national; but if he is a jihadist why did he shout "I am German?" Surely a jihadist would be emphasising is Islamic roots, not his German ones?

Accept the fact; this attack in Munich is not linked to Islamic terrorism in any way.

It is not even, unfortunately, the first time such an atrocity has happened in Germany; there have been three school massacres carried out by former students; in Winnenden in 2009 where 16 people died, in Emsdetten in 2006 where five people were hurt and the shooter killed himself, and at a school in Erfurt in 2002 where 17 people died. All of the perpetrators in those cases were German; none of them Muslim.

Yes, German gun laws have been made stricter since then, but Germany still has the highest legal gun ownership in the EU, fourth highest in the world; with more guns legally owned per capita than in Mexico, Russia or South Africa.

Reports say that the weapon used in this attack had the serial number filed off; so obviously he obtained it illegally through some means. From what is known about him, obviously this attack was preplanned and he would have found some way of obtaining the weapon.

It has been accepted for some time that authorities have stopped revealing offender’s nationalities saying a person’s nationality is irrelevant, all to do with helping us all integrate, in fact the BBC was caught out doing exactly this with regards to this incident.

At 3pm UK time on Saturday, the BBC made reference to the killer as Ali Sonboly. Within one hour however, the BBC had changed its references to the now dead culprit to “David Sonboly”. At 6:31pm, the news bulletin on the BBC News Channel referred to him as “David Sonboly” though at 6:32pm their correspondent in Germany referred to him as “David Ali Sonboly”. ( Source, Breitbart )

But they did try to downplay the Nice attack saying he was a mental nutter who just separated from the wife he was on meds etc, hard to downplay the train one as Isis claimed him as theirs and wasn’t there a video.

Inside the mall a Muslim lady heard him shout Allah Akbar. ( Source, CNN ) this seems to have been dropped from later reporting, as was the fact he was dressed in black ( source, Aljazeera ) ‘as irrelevant presumably’

Further footage emerged of him on the shopping centre’s rooftop car park, shouting “I am German” after a man challenged him, he seems to have been born in Germany from ‘Iranian’ immigrant parents, so yes he would shout “I am German”, stander’s post linking him to Syrian/Turkish origins has been removed, which further draws doubt on his ancestry and the official version.

Did I read somewhere he was unemployed? benefits are good in Germany to live and be able to buy a gun and 300+ rounds of ammo on the black market, and all by the time your 18, he was a loner which means he probably had a flat or apartment too that he would need to pay for, convenient for the authorities they can label him anyway they choose, who’s to say they are misleading the public?

The fact that there are nutters other than Islamist ones who go around killing people does not mean he is or is not one of them, (unless we are told to believe so)

Just some of the doubts, irregularities I see in the official version for the sheeple to swallow.

[stander]

It seems to me all this info on the attacker is coming from the msm via official government sources, so I take it with a pinch of salt, in the belief that they want to down play islamist connections if they can, what we can reasonably belive is that he was Iranian, muslim, murderer what we haven't been told is how this 'non jihadist' came by a gun and a large amount of ammo in a gun controlled country, still sceptical.

If your absurd theory is correct, then explain why the sources you are so sceptical of did not make any attempt to "down play" Islamist terrorism connections in other recent atrocities; such as Nice and the axe attack on a German train?

He is an Iranian/German dual national; but if he is a jihadist why did he shout "I am German?" Surely a jihadist would be emphasising is Islamic roots, not his German ones?

Accept the fact; this attack in Munich is not linked to Islamic terrorism in any way.

It is not even, unfortunately, the first time such an atrocity has happened in Germany; there have been three school massacres carried out by former students; in Winnenden in 2009 where 16 people died, in Emsdetten in 2006 where five people were hurt and the shooter killed himself, and at a school in Erfurt in 2002 where 17 people died. All of the perpetrators in those cases were German; none of them Muslim.

Yes, German gun laws have been made stricter since then, but Germany still has the highest legal gun ownership in the EU, fourth highest in the world; with more guns legally owned per capita than in Mexico, Russia or South Africa.

Reports say that the weapon used in this attack had the serial number filed off; so obviously he obtained it illegally through some means. From what is known about him, obviously this attack was preplanned and he would have found some way of obtaining the weapon.

It has been accepted for some time that authorities have stopped revealing offender’s nationalities saying a person’s nationality is irrelevant, all to do with helping us all integrate, in fact the BBC was caught out doing exactly this with regards to this incident.

At 3pm UK time on Saturday, the BBC made reference to the killer as Ali Sonboly. Within one hour however, the BBC had changed its references to the now dead culprit to “David Sonboly”. At 6:31pm, the news bulletin on the BBC News Channel referred to him as “David Sonboly” though at 6:32pm their correspondent in Germany referred to him as “David Ali Sonboly”. ( Source, Breitbart )

But they did try to downplay the Nice attack saying he was a mental nutter who just separated from the wife he was on meds etc, hard to downplay the train one as Isis claimed him as theirs and wasn’t there a video.

Inside the mall a Muslim lady heard him shout Allah Akbar. ( Source, CNN ) this seems to have been dropped from later reporting, as was the fact he was dressed in black ( source, Aljazeera ) ‘as irrelevant presumably’

Further footage emerged of him on the shopping centre’s rooftop car park, shouting “I am German” after a man challenged him, he seems to have been born in Germany from ‘Iranian’ immigrant parents, so yes he would shout “I am German”, stander’s post linking him to Syrian/Turkish origins has been removed, which further draws doubt on his ancestry and the official version.

Did I read somewhere he was unemployed? benefits are good in Germany to live and be able to buy a gun and 300+ rounds of ammo on the black market, and all by the time your 18, he was a loner which means he probably had a flat or apartment too that he would need to pay for, convenient for the authorities they can label him anyway they choose, who’s to say they are misleading the public?

The fact that there are nutters other than Islamist ones who go around killing people does not mean he is or is not one of them, (unless we are told to believe so)

Just some of the doubts, irregularities I see in the official version for the sheeple to swallow.

His Facebook page, including his family background shows he Is not Iranian, but a Syrian Islamist Pro Turkey.

[geriatrickid]

"Classic Shooting Rampage" in Munich is the new politically correct phrase.

It is. They should just call it an American-style gun rampage.

As opposed to Belgian style massacre in the Congo; Italian style mass slaughter in Ethiopia and Libya; Arab style genocide of the Darfur,, Russian savagery in the jew ghettos, etc. etc.?

Give the US slurs a rest. This has nothing to do with them. The killer was a product of german society.

[stander]

Reports of 1 killed, 2 wounded after a man attacked a group of people with machete in Reutlingen, Germany

http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2016/07/24/reutlingen-mann-machete_n_11166134.html

[7by7]

According to the Ministry of Truth:-

Sonboly is a Muslim (probably) therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

He was dressed in black therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

One witness, herself a Muslim, says she heard him shout "Allah Akbar!" therefore he is a jihadist terrorist. (What happened to the Ministry of Truth's proclamation that all Muslims are duty bound by their faith lie to unbelievers? Doesn't it apply in this case?)

Etc., etc., ad absurdum.

What do they base these 'truths' upon?

Conspiracy theories, obfuscations and lies.

I didn't see any of the BBC news bulletins referred to by one Ministry of Truth spokesperson above; but Breitbart, a well known mouthpiece of the Ministry of Truth, as an independent source? Do they really have people monitoring every BBC news report on every BBC channel? The BBC website reported

The gunman, who had dual German-Iranian nationality, later killed himself.

His name has not been officially released but he is being named locally as David Ali Sonboly.

He has also been referred to as Ali David Sonboly, or David S.

so the accusation that they attempted in someway to hide his nationality and name is total &lt;deleted&gt;.

Which is typical of the Ministry of Truth and it's mouthpieces.

The German authorities say he was born in Germany, had dual German and Iranian nationality and that his parents came from Iran in the 1990s; why would they lie? Iranian or Syrian; both the same to the ignorant and prejudiced followers of the Ministry of Truth; Muslim, therefore jihadist terrorists.

Sonboly was not unemployed and on benefits; more &lt;deleted&gt;. He was an 18 year old student from a fairly well off, middle class family and had a part time job. As it appears from the evidence he had been planning this for over a year it is not inconceivable that he had amassed sufficient money to purchase the weapon and ammunition.

[Keira1]

Reports of 1 killed, 2 wounded after a man attacked a group of people with machete in Reutlingen, Germany

http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2016/07/24/reutlingen-mann-machete_n_11166134.html

I read they have arrested a 21 year old syrian refugee, it happened outside a kebab shop where the female victim was working

[mopar71]

Did they ever report where the 18-yr old shooter got the Glock & 300 rounds of ammo?

[dundee48]

According to the Ministry of Truth:-

Sonboly is a Muslim (probably) therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

He was dressed in black therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

One witness, herself a Muslim, says she heard him shout "Allah Akbar!" therefore he is a jihadist terrorist. (What happened to the Ministry of Truth's proclamation that all Muslims are duty bound by their faith lie to unbelievers? Doesn't it apply in this case?)

Etc., etc., ad absurdum.

What do they base these 'truths' upon?

Conspiracy theories, obfuscations and lies.

I didn't see any of the BBC news bulletins referred to by one Ministry of Truth spokesperson above; but Breitbart, a well known mouthpiece of the Ministry of Truth, as an independent source? Do they really have people monitoring every BBC news report on every BBC channel? The BBC website reported

The gunman, who had dual German-Iranian nationality, later killed himself.

His name has not been officially released but he is being named locally as David Ali Sonboly.

He has also been referred to as Ali David Sonboly, or David S.

so the accusation that they attempted in someway to hide his nationality and name is total <deleted>.

Which is typical of the Ministry of Truth and it's mouthpieces.

The German authorities say he was born in Germany, had dual German and Iranian nationality and that his parents came from Iran in the 1990s; why would they lie? Iranian or Syrian; both the same to the ignorant and prejudiced followers of the Ministry of Truth; Muslim, therefore jihadist terrorists.

Sonboly was not unemployed and on benefits; more <deleted>. He was an 18 year old student from a fairly well off, middle class family and had a part time job. As it appears from the evidence he had been planning this for over a year it is not inconceivable that he had amassed sufficient money to purchase the weapon and ammunition.

I guess you`re gonna keep really quiet on this latest muslem attacker(Syrian Refugee)to strike in Germany.Probably another in the long list of lone wolfs.Disgusting apologists will no doubt be along soon to try to justify this.

[Thaiwine]

According to the Ministry of Truth:-

Sonboly is a Muslim (probably) therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

He was dressed in black therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

One witness, herself a Muslim, says she heard him shout "Allah Akbar!" therefore he is a jihadist terrorist. (What happened to the Ministry of Truth's proclamation that all Muslims are duty bound by their faith lie to unbelievers? Doesn't it apply in this case?)

Etc., etc., ad absurdum.

What do they base these 'truths' upon?

Conspiracy theories, obfuscations and lies.

I didn't see any of the BBC news bulletins referred to by one Ministry of Truth spokesperson above; but Breitbart, a well known mouthpiece of the Ministry of Truth, as an independent source? Do they really have people monitoring every BBC news report on every BBC channel? The BBC website reported

The gunman, who had dual German-Iranian nationality, later killed himself.

His name has not been officially released but he is being named locally as David Ali Sonboly.

He has also been referred to as Ali David Sonboly, or David S.

so the accusation that they attempted in someway to hide his nationality and name is total <deleted>.

Which is typical of the Ministry of Truth and it's mouthpieces.

The German authorities say he was born in Germany, had dual German and Iranian nationality and that his parents came from Iran in the 1990s; why would they lie? Iranian or Syrian; both the same to the ignorant and prejudiced followers of the Ministry of Truth; Muslim, therefore jihadist terrorists.

Sonboly was not unemployed and on benefits; more <deleted>. He was an 18 year old student from a fairly well off, middle class family and had a part time job. As it appears from the evidence he had been planning this for over a year it is not inconceivable that he had amassed sufficient money to purchase the weapon and ammunition.

I guess you`re gonna keep really quiet on this latest muslem attacker(Syrian Refugee)to strike in Germany.Probably another in the long list of lone wolfs.Disgusting apologists will no doubt be along soon to try to justify this.

You know how it works, the girl gave him the cold shoulder hurt his ego, he forgot his meds, he just happened to have a machette up his sleeve, it wasn't because he was a muslim, it was a one off incident don't worry.

[7by7]

Given what is currently known about the attack on a woman in a kebab shop it seems extremely unlikely that this is a jihadist attack.

But I will, of course, reserve judgement until more facts are known.

Facts being something the Ministry of Truth aren't keen on.

[stander]

According to the Ministry of Truth:-

Sonboly is a Muslim (probably) therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

He was dressed in black therefore he is a jihadist terrorist.

One witness, herself a Muslim, says she heard him shout "Allah Akbar!" therefore he is a jihadist terrorist. (What happened to the Ministry of Truth's proclamation that all Muslims are duty bound by their faith lie to unbelievers? Doesn't it apply in this case?)

Etc., etc., ad absurdum.

What do they base these 'truths' upon?

Conspiracy theories, obfuscations and lies.

I didn't see any of the BBC news bulletins referred to by one Ministry of Truth spokesperson above; but Breitbart, a well known mouthpiece of the Ministry of Truth, as an independent source? Do they really have people monitoring every BBC news report on every BBC channel? The BBC website reported

The gunman, who had dual German-Iranian nationality, later killed himself.

His name has not been officially released but he is being named locally as David Ali Sonboly.

He has also been referred to as Ali David Sonboly, or David S.

so the accusation that they attempted in someway to hide his nationality and name is total <deleted>.

Which is typical of the Ministry of Truth and it's mouthpieces.

The German authorities say he was born in Germany, had dual German and Iranian nationality and that his parents came from Iran in the 1990s; why would they lie? Iranian or Syrian; both the same to the ignorant and prejudiced followers of the Ministry of Truth; Muslim, therefore jihadist terrorists.

Sonboly was not unemployed and on benefits; more <deleted>. He was an 18 year old student from a fairly well off, middle class family and had a part time job. As it appears from the evidence he had been planning this for over a year it is not inconceivable that he had amassed sufficient money to purchase the weapon and ammunition.

I guess you`re gonna keep really quiet on this latest muslem attacker(Syrian Refugee)to strike in Germany.Probably another in the long list of lone wolfs.Disgusting apologists will no doubt be along soon to try to justify this.

Europe is seeing these types of attacks more frequently now. It is the result of mass immigration without assimilation. It is a recipe for the self-destruction of the European culture

Edited July 24, 2016 by stander

[Steely Dan]

Unbelievable! Still trying to tie this to an Islamic attack boys! Amazing how everyone else is wrong, how is the flat earth society doing these days anyway?

It's your cup final not ours. Be my guest and blame this one on an Iranian white supremacist in the mould of Anders Breivik. Forget the three separate locations gunfire was reported. Forget the German police spokesman initially stating the shooter was known to Interpol only for the story to be revised to a lone wolf madman unknown previously. You can even forget the eyewitness (a Muslim) who claimed to have heard Allahu Akbar.

Yes be my guest and believe the authorities who lied and covered up the 1200 sexual assaults in Cologne. But you know as well as I that there WILL be many more attacks in several European Countries, the effort of covering them all up and denying any common link will only kill what little credibility the western governments have.

[Steely Dan]

Reports of 1 killed, 2 wounded after a man attacked a group of people with machete in Reutlingen, Germany

http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2016/07/24/reutlingen-mann-machete_n_11166134.html

QED my last post. Another aryan supremacist madman from a Shiite nation no doubt.

[stander]

The EU leaders have made Europe a dangerous place. They should be prosecuted.

[Steely Dan]

Given what is currently known about the attack on a woman in a kebab shop it seems extremely unlikely that this is a jihadist attack.

But I will, of course, reserve judgement until more facts are known.

Facts being something the Ministry of Truth aren't keen on.

The three in one wise monkey wouldn't see jihad if a bearded Arab dressed in black and shouting Allahu Akbar tried to run him through with a sword.

[MaxYakov]

Did they ever report where the 18-yr old shooter got the Glock & 300 rounds of ammo?

One report I saw was that the authorities that that he obtained them through the "Darknet_Wiki", an overlay of the internet accessible only with "specific software, configurations or authorization".

[Orac]

Isil is a CIA propaganda tool. These are all moderate Arabs and peaceful Muslims kidnapped by CIA operatives. Fitted with a digital chip in their brains. Inserted into Western societies and activated to deliver terror among the unsuspecting Civilians. This allows Governments to increase surveillance on Civilians and to justify increase the Military Budgets. All this is done in order to further the wishes for One World Government. Which is itself controlled by super chips run form a Base on the moon. By a Race of Space Chickens commanded by the Leader Colonelt sanders. This is the absolute truth. My Dog told me.

Indeed. The clue that gives the game away though is that they forgot to call him Mohammed and went with Dave instead.

[stander]

Prior to the early eighties Muslims lived peacefully in the UK and Europe. Then with the spread of Wahhabism sponsored by millions of dollars of Saudi oil money and with the cooperation of the political elite the demand for power from Islamists has grown.

[Pakboong]

To me, the single biggest oddity is that this event was photographed by the same German photographer that filmed the attack in Nice.. The guy's name is Richard Gutjahr. Even more odd, his wife has some really strange connections that make sense to me but will not make sense to most.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/smoking-gun-nice-and-munich-terror-attacks-linked-to-cia-and-mossad/

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m_LeFQt4fJAJ:https://twitter.com/gutjahr/status/756531872579059713

[Kwasaki]

To me, the single biggest oddity is that this event was photographed by the same German photographer that filmed the attack in Nice.. The guy's name is Richard Gutjahr. Even more odd, his wife has some really strange connections that make sense to me but will not make sense to most.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/smoking-gun-nice-and-munich-terror-attacks-linked-to-cia-and-mossad/

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m_LeFQt4fJAJ:https://twitter.com/gutjahr/status/756531872579059713

Uncanny maybe he knows where the next attack is going to be, where is he.