Like musicians?

1 minute ago, Justfine said:

Like musicians?

More like magicians

"But it's twue, it's twue, it's twue!" 
                                 - Lili von schtup (in "Blazing Saddles.")

 

One would have thought that in an expat forum, especially such as this one in Thailand of all places, folks would not be so hung up on labels - or "rigid definition"- of straight, gay, bi-sexual, straight bi-sexual (I start getting dizzy off that one), ad nauseaum. But no matter how far flung one has traveled and lived around the world, just as the wizard of oz said, you can take the girl out of kansas, but you can't take kansas out of the girl! 

 

The elephant in the room in this instance is what does a ladyboy have that a real girl/woman does not? Namely a penis. [Contrary to popular belief, the majority of LBs keep their family jewels firmly attached, most wise decision I would say.] So ask yourself why a "straight" man would prefer going out (or in) with a ladyboy when there's an abundance of available females around ? Because of better make up, plastic breasts and buttocks? I don't think so. Because they were fooled into believing this is the real thing? The only real deal here at the end of the day - and both parties knew it - is that the LB in question more likely than not (still) has a real dick - and what the john in question is going to do with it!

 

If he does it only once and no more, ok, we can chalk that up to being curious (curious period, not to be confused with bi-curious, that's another "venue.") But if he does repeatedly, there is a clinical term which is MSM=men sleeping with men (the unspoken footnote here is "let's just leave it at that" - translated to "let's not deal with the labels/classifications shall we, so that we can get on...") 

 

The pinnacle of my sex life as a gay man occurred in the last several years of my former life in the states, thanks to the advent of Craigslist. Since it was free I ran a continuous ad looking for "hookups." Per the vocabulary I prescribed, "discreet, safe (condoms only) wholesome vanilla m2m sex, no kinks, no bondage, newbies welcome... " - with no mention of gay nor straight (a savvy marketing move I should say) - my ad attracted mostly guys of the man-next-door type from all walks of life. Few were young or strictly gay. The majority were family men or  steady with girlfriends. They wanted something more than a happy ending that they routinely got at their local spa; something was "missing" in their sex life (here I began to get clued in) which needed "exploring" (another password.) And beside I also offered thai massage. An one-stop shopping, if you will, totally free of charge (add to that lit scented candles, soft background music and the best stuff from "bed bath and beyond" - kama sutra, anyone?) 

 

Turned out these guys crave a dick, plain and simple: they still go home for their homecooked meal but only a dick (in this case mine) can make them fulfilled. Here I let your imagination fill in the blanks (or holes for that matter...;?

 

There was one instance which stood out, because both parties engaged in a drawn-out negotiation that happened more than once. After agreeing to all the proposed maneouvers (who does what to whom), sending back and forth whole set of pictorials of each other's body parts, the guy's final request was that I dress up as a woman when he came knocking on my door. He explained that because so far he only went out with ladyboys (in the states the term is CDs for crossdressers) therefore he could only "do" it with ladyboys.

 

At that time I was still new in my "vocation" so my wardrobe did not include any lingeries or female attires; beside I would need considerable help from my gay friends to pass for a somewhat not too grotesque drag queen. So I declined, smacking my lips all the while because he was a handsome hunk after all. A  year or two later we ran the same negotiation, I still didn't want to do the charade even though by then my wardrobe had expanded to include a small number of Victoria secrets-style outfits (requested and/or left behind by other guests...but that's another story:)

 

Last but not least, there is a misconception that gay men are SEXUALLY attracted to ladyboys, which baffles me to no ends. Gay men are attracted not just to cocks and balls (sorry if I offend anyone's "still in kansas" sensibilities) - the idea of manhood/masculinity is what sells the whole package. So why in the world would a gay man want to sleep with a personification of femininity? Same school of thought as to whenever I come out to my thai friends they immediately think that I (secretly) wish to be (dressed or acting like) a woman, and therefore need to be paired up with a katoey that they just happened to know...

Lawd have mercy!
 

Now look at some advantages....take this real hot stunner LB, magnificient georgeous feminine Miss Univers type face and body,  totally undetectable,  feminine voice, with close to natural boobies that drop down a wee bit, the weiner chopped off of course!! (why take any risks?)..........she/he will never complain of having her periods or headache, suddenly get pregnant, will entertain your willy and know exactly where to do what and not.......no typically feminine mood swells, will understand you daily needs of porn on the internet and will perhaps give a helping hand? ..will be ready for bedroom entertainement, when you get back home late, drunk after a wild night party with the pals in town, most probably will have less of the maternal instinct that asks the farang for Ca$h to send back home for the buffalo, the roof or the useless bro, no hidden husband in the village, .. ...no really....like everything, there is surely also a good side to all this anger and debate on the issue .....

A lot of posts on this topic seems to have caught everybody's attention . Must be some truth in it. Some of those ladyboys are sweet but once they pull out the big wanger one of us would be out the door.

1 hour ago, The Old Bull said:

Must be some truth in it.

Yes but the truth is not 50% as the poll indicates. 

 

29 pages. Ooer. As for me, tried it in the spirit of experimentation, does nothing for me. I think I screwed a post op once. If you're starting to find lady boys attractive probably time to leave. There are certain danger signs in Thailand, like you've been here too long, an attraction to ladyboys is one of them. 

2 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

A lot of posts on this topic seems to have caught everybody's attention . Must be some truth in it. Some of those ladyboys are sweet but once they pull out the big wanger one of us would be out the door.

Big?  

I never contemplated doing anything with a lady boy.  I did consider running for Pope last time they had a election. 

@smo

Thank you for a very informative post. My main bone of contention (no pun intended) on this thread was with those claiming that knowingly engaging in sex with a ladyboy is a totally heterosexual act because the ladyboy "presents as female." I understand the point you, Jingthing and others have made about why a completely homosexual man might not find ladyboys sexually desirable, but am I correct in concluding that you are in agreement that knowingly engaging in sex with ladyboys is something other than a completely heterosexual orientation?

 

I'm also curious if you have any response to points I made in earlier posts (#399 & #406) which asked at what point does a feminized gay start to lose his sexual appeal to another gay guy because he has taken feminization too far and become too womanly, and how you reconcile the historical popularity of gay cabaret, (which celebrates female impersonation and flamboyance) with the assertion that gay men are not sexually attracted to men who endeavor to present themselves as women.

6 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

 

I'm also curious if you have any response to points I made in earlier posts (#399 & #406) which asked at what point does a feminized gay start to lose his sexual appeal to another gay guy because he has taken feminization too far and become too womanly. I'd also be interested in any feedback you have about how the traditional popularity of gay cabaret, (which celebrates female impersonation and flamboyance) squares with the assertion that gay men are not attracted to men who endeavor to present themselves as women.

The Gay Cabaret is a show for entertainment.  Many more straight people go to those shows then any gay.

Mostly full of Chinese tourists now.

 

Also, if a man experiments with Cocaine a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, is he a Coke head drug addict?

If a man experiments with a LB a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, then I guess by some he is labeled gay?

Just asking....

16 hours ago, JAZZDOG said:

More like magicians

Magicians surprise people

13 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

The Gay Cabaret is a show for entertainment.  Many more straight people go to those shows then any gay.

Mostly full of Chinese tourists now.

 

Also, if a man experiments with Cocaine a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, is he a Coke head drug addict?

If a man experiments with a LB a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, then I guess by some he is labeled gay?

Just asking....

A show is like going to a zoo. You don't go to sleep with the animals.

 

Ladyboys are gay guys. Nothing straight about them. 

3 hours ago, balo said:

Yes but the truth is not 50% as the poll indicates. 

 

Survey 1000 families and backpackers.

 

They are the bulk of farang tourists.

 

Farang sex tourists in Pattaya are a minority group. Some of the sex tourists will be kinky.

23 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

The Gay Cabaret is a show for entertainment.  Many more straight people go to those shows then any gay.

Mostly full of Chinese tourists now.

 

Also, if a man experiments with Cocaine a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, is he a Coke head drug addict?

If a man experiments with a LB a few times in his life and decides he does not like it and stops, then I guess by some he is labeled gay?

Just asking....

I am not looking down on anyone because of their sexual orientation. I just don't think that those claiming that knowingly engaging in sex with a ladyboy is a purely heterosexual act are not being honest. My goal isn't to offend or put anyone down but to engage in honest discussion.

An totally off topic video from the TV series Banshee has been removed.

 

 

Anyone else consider a post on the topic about having sex with a ladyboy by a guy called 'rimmer' funny/ironic?

I am not looking down on anyone because of their sexual orientation. I just don't think that those claiming that knowingly engaging in sex with a ladyboy is a purely heterosexual act are not being honest. My goal isn't to offend or put anyone down but to engage in honest discussion.

Again with the confusion. Sex acts and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Most admirers of ladyboys have a straight orientation. End of.

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again with the confusion. Sex acts and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Most admirers of ladyboys have a straight orientation. End of.

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Yes they are.

 

Straight men don't have sex with other men.

 

Are you saying you can choose to have sex with another man but remain heterosexual?

 

Men that are attracted to ladyboys are gay, or bi, never straight.

Never, no way. Ugh.

I am sympathetic to the huge problems they have, and know several. But not for me. Call me unusual, but I like women.

On 5/21/2018 at 9:01 AM, BobBKK said:

Isn't it obvious that guys who have sex with guys dressed as women are closet homosexuals?

very obvious, I think they think if they do it with a ladyboy, they are not   gays, justifying their actions. Secretly, they fancy men but too embarrassed to admit it.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again with the confusion. Sex acts and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Most admirers of ladyboys have a straight orientation. End of.

With all due respect to your knowledge of gay sexuality, you are acting like you're the resident authority on all things sexual, and I think you need to be reminded that people are entitled to have opinions which differ from yours. After all, SMO, another openly gay man, earlier on this thread (#419) said that he encountered at least one man who wanted sex with a man but asked him to dress in female attire which supports my point that attraction to ladyboys is not a strictly heterosexual attraction.

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Never, no way. Ugh.

I am sympathetic to the huge problems they have, and know several. But not for me. Call me unusual, but I like women.

What problems? The little one between their legs? that be cut off.

 

Maybe the mental disorder, that is recognized by leading doctors on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

 

Liking women is not unusual. 

9 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

With all due respect to your knowledge of gay sexuality, you are acting like you're the resident authority on all things sexual, and I think you need to be reminded that people are entitled to have opinions which differ from yours. After all, SMO, another openly gay man, earlier on this thread (#419) said that he encountered at least one man who wanted sex with a man but asked him to dress in female attire which supports my point that attraction to ladyboys is not a strictly heterosexual attraction.

No open debate here. He blocks people that disagree with him. Talk about being blinkered!

2 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

No open debate here. He blocks people that disagree with him. Talk about being blinkered!

He's entitled to an opinion but it's just one opinion.

 

LBs are gay guys. They aren't women. Sleeping with them isn't straight yet he claims it is in a weird way. Both parties are men yet he argues it's a hetero thing. 

 

 

 

 

Look here, If you consider or have sex with a LB you are G, B, Q or T or any combination out of LGBTQ. You damn sure ain't straight IMHO. The sex act in most cases defines the sexual orientation, that's fairly obvious.

20 minutes ago, Justfine said:

He's entitled to an opinion but it's just one opinion.

 

LBs are gay guys. They aren't women. Sleeping with them isn't straight yet he claims it is in a weird way. Both parties are men yet he argues it's a hetero thing. 

 

 

 

 

I believe most guys that have sex with LB are gay. I don't think all LBs are gay any more than all bargirls enjoy sex. Many of both play the role that pays the most. 

Here's what I'm getting at. Let's say there are two gay guys. One is macho. The other is extremely feminine. The feminine one sashays around the house in pink snoball bed slippers, pink lace fringed satin panties and a matching pink camisole. He sits on the couch with his feet tucked up under his butt, flipping through Vogue magazine, debating about whether he would look better with a page boy haircut or a more feathered look with perhaps frosted highlights. He buffs his nails and applies clear nail polish every other day. He bats his eyes, puts his fingers over his mouth when he giggles, wiggles his hips when he walks to the refrigerator, and loves to look over his shoulder and give his partner smoky, seductive, vampy looks. He loves applying skin lotion, loves applying facial masks with cucumber slices over his eyes, keeps his eyebrows plucked in a becomingly thin line, goes to tanning and body wax hair removal salons, sleeps with a satin sleep mask. He has tempermental mood swings not unlike some women, but in the eyes of his partner, that just adds to his allure. His favorite singers are Shirley Bassey and Barbra Streisand. (Whew! That was a lot of work to compile!)

 

In other words a very feminine gay man. Who another gay man is attracted to, largely because of his femininity. So along comes a ladyboy who in many ways acts in much the same way as described above. So why would a gay guy be highly attracted to a feminine gay man but be repulsed by a ladyboy? Where is the Rubicon where a feminine gay guy (attractive to other gay guys) suddenly becomes too female to attract a gay guy's interest? Is it a boob job? Some ladyboys rely on padded bras, don't they? Going under the knife downstairs? I can understand that one but SMO said that the majority of ladyboys still have their junk. So where is this big "too female" turn off coming from that is the foundation for claims that only heterosexual men are attracted to ladyboys? And why wouldn't a ladyboy be extremely psychologically attractive to a latent or repressed homosexual man who might find a ladyboy less sexually threatening to his sexual identity than having homosexual sex with another man? These are my questions.

The denial that the primary fans for ladyboys are straight identified is hilarious!

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With all due respect to your knowledge of gay sexuality, you are acting like you're the resident authority on all things sexual, and I think you need to be reminded that people are entitled to have opinions which differ from yours. After all, SMO, another openly gay man, earlier on this thread (#419) said that he encountered at least one man who wanted sex with a man but asked him to dress in female attire which supports my point that attraction to ladyboys is not a strictly heterosexual attraction.

Dude I never said anything is 100 percent. Stop putting words in my mouth. Again the vast majority of men sexually attracted to Lbs are straight identified. Sex acts and orientation aren't the same thing.

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