Britain can end Brexit unilaterally, EU court advisor says

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Because the EU is about to go bust, and it'll drag the UK down if we're still in.

Unless you think France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Greece are all doing fine.

 

Now there were good things and bad things about the EU, pensions, human rights, international court, Euro.

But the UK government opted out of all the stuff of benefit to 'the people', just leaving us with the rubbish.

Why EU would go bust? 

 

EU budget on individual countries is really quite minuscule. We actually pay money, to get far more money back from the EU, not always as direct payments, but in business overall. That's the whole point of EU.

 

We pay money to EU for it to provide us legislation and other rather boring things, which are far better to make together by 500 million people, than do the whole stupid thing by our own countries. 

 

We pay money to get the boring work done by the EU. It's outsourcing some works to experts. I see nothing wrong with that. 

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, oilinki said:

Why EU would go bust? 

 

EU budget on individual countries is really quite minuscule. We actually pay money, to get far more money back from the EU, not always as direct payments, but in business overall. That's the whole point of EU.

 

We pay money to EU for it to provide us legislation and other rather boring things, which are far better to make together by 500 million people, than do the whole stupid thing by our own countries. 

 

We pay money to get the boring work done by the EU. It's outsourcing some works to experts. I see nothing wrong with that. 

I misspoke. Sorry. The whole point of EU is really that we have far less restrictions and we all follow similar principles in our 500.000.000 people's area of internal freedom. 

 

That's pretty something, which most of the rest could only dream about. We have it now. 

[melvinmelvin]

38 minutes ago, oilinki said:

EU allows brexit. There is no doubt about it. 

 

Remainers, the 90% of the UK's population don't want brexit as it would break UK in so many levels. 

 

Don't you try to push your own failure of gaining anarchy towards others. 

 

I simply wonder why you would love to see anarchy inside the UK?

 

 

 

rambling

where do you get that 90% figure from?

[Guest]

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

 

rambling

where do you get that 90% figure from?

There is only 10% of the UK populus who actually want brexit. The rest, 90% want to remain.

[aright]

25 minutes ago, bomber said:

if things are going so well in the UK as you say then why do we need brexit? surely this is risking the destroying the great times you claim

To regain control of our laws, courts, borders, fisheries, agriculture etc.

I have no wish to be a supplicant like so many Remainers.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

I suppose there are no real words left by the... the.. the.. brexiteer anymore.

 

Yes, inequality is a real problem in UK. It's far lesser problem within the rest of the EU countries. 

 

Why do you think EU wanted to have a look at UK's rich people's save havens? Why do you think those people, who have their moneys, hidden in those said save havens, want brexit so desperately?

 

Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?

'Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?'

 

Sadly, the answer is probably yes in so far as the predominant party is concerned. Oddly, much of their support also comes from the common people.

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

To regain control of our laws, courts, borders, fisheries, agriculture etc.

...before giving it up again because you need trade deals. But, yah, as that will take some years, you can enjoy isolation as least for a while.

[melvinmelvin]

26 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You really should inform yourself. There is not a single piece of EU legislation that would allow the EU that. It's the UK's own choice to trigger Article 50, and after triggering Article 50, the EU cannot stop the process, only the UK yourself. 

 

There is no proper and improper Brexit. It's a binary choice, out or not out. And, as explained above, the EU doesn't have a say in it at all. It's your own business alone to make it successful and proper or not, however you wanna do that. The EU doesn't have any say in that at all. You're a sovereign country, you wanted to stand on your own feet and take control, now don't blame other when you're failing at it.  

well said

taking responsibility is foreign language in the UK

 

[aright]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

...before giving it up again because you need trade deals. But, yah, as that will take some years, you can enjoy isolation as least for a while.

How are new trade deals going to impinge on our laws, courts, borders etc?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, aright said:

To regain control of our laws, courts, borders, fisheries, agriculture etc.

I have no wish to be a supplicant like so many Remainers.

UK always had her own control of her laws and courts. As well as borders.

 

Fisheries and fishing rights were a deal between many countries. UK gained some rights to Fancen's waters and French boats were allowed to visit UK's waters. The real fishing problem in the UK was the fishing rights inside the UK (big companies gaining control), which is not going to be resolved by brexit. 

 

When you catch your fish, where are you going to sell it? EU is not going to buy it if there is not a reasonable fisheries treaty in place. Perhaps you could sell all your fish to Australia. They would probably love it.

 

Agriculture you say? Hey, why don't we set 0 tariff to Thai chicken? That's a great idea and should make our people happy as they get cheap chicken meat to their tables!

 

The cheep farmers are likely to disagree as there is no longer anyone who would buy their meat. In a year or two their businesses go bust.  

 

Have a great future with your wonderful WTO rules, where you and only you drop import taxes to nill, to get cheap product from all over the world. 

 

Now how do you make money to pay for all of those cheap imports, which pretty much kills your own agriculture productions? Ah, you'll sell services, like you used to do, while you still were in EU. Oh, wait! That's not how things work after Brexit. Don't you think? 

[aright]

9 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

'Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?'

 

Sadly, the answer is probably yes in so far as the predominant party is concerned. Oddly, much of their support also comes from the common people.

I don't think we have common people in the old established sense. What we have now is a very large middle class which all political parties target.

[elliss]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

My biggest worry as an European at the moment is that the UK politicians finally wake .

 

           Not  the  season for wake up time .   Xmas is  the time our elected Politicians , have their goodies/ rewards delivered.

                      Wake up time ?,  Spring 2019,  hopefully .

[melvinmelvin]

14 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

'Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?'

 

Sadly, the answer is probably yes in so far as the predominant party is concerned. Oddly, much of their support also comes from the common people.

 

wow, a comment that I liked

 

you are touching on an aspect of UKers which I find difficult to understand

 

take a step away - look at the UK - all these ants and cogs that make the UK go round - make the society function

police - defence - educational sector - health services - transport sector etc etc etc

the vast majority of the ants are quite ordinary salary workers

 

vote tory vote tory vote tory - its like a mantra

what good do they think that Tory will ever do for ants?

 

the animosity re Labour shown here and on LoS barstools just shows serious lack of education

and informed historical knowledge

 

am not saying that Labour is the answer to UKs future, but it would not be a catastrophe

 

considering Labour as a catastrophe shows some considerable lack of perspective

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

17 minutes ago, aright said:

How are new trade deals going to impinge on our laws, courts, borders etc?

Well, tell me, how do you think these things work? 

[aright]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Well, tell me, how do you think these things work? 

I don't know that's why I asked the question? 

[elliss]

27 minutes ago, aright said:

I don't think we have common people in the old established sense. What we have now is a very large middle class which all political parties target.

  Common people ,  do  you mean those of us raised by working class parents , into working class jobs 

and  still vote Labour ?.

                       What ever next , socialism ,, shudder the thought .

                   Not  all TV members , are highly educated  know alls.   Aka  knob heads . 555

                 

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

rambling

where do you get that 90% figure from?

Anarchy in the UK has been a goal since the seventies, if not before then. 
Back in the day, for punk rockers. 

 

Our grandparents grew out of that sort of nonsense, while at the same time achieving universal suffrage.  

Happy days, eh?

 

SC

[bomber]

1 hour ago, aright said:

To regain control of our laws, courts, borders, fisheries, agriculture etc.

I have no wish to be a supplicant like so many Remainers.

our laws are madder than anything the EU come up with and farmers are always moaning but ive yet to meet a poor one,borders should be a doddle to control being an island but we seem to struggle as we do with most things these days,the UK is like broken welly and incapable of getting much right. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, aright said:

How are new trade deals going to impinge on our laws, courts, borders etc?

Because those trade deals contain mass of rules and regulations that you're obliged to comply with, such as accepting lower quality standards, arbitration courts, giving up certain rights etc. Just have a look at different trade deals, or why other trade deals failed, or why they take so long to negotiate. You might even end up still having to comply with EU rules, because countries you wanna do trade deals with already have a trade deal with the EU under which they must comply with EU standards. Isn't it ironic?

 

Sovereignty and trade deals are two conflicting objectives. You can't have both. It doesn't exactly make sense to leave one of the biggest trade deals in the world because you want to have more sovereignty and control, and at the same time say you want to do trade deals.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, aright said:

On Thai Visa you can be anything you want to be. It's strange that some people choose to be stupid. I'm sure in your case you regard stupidity as a personal achievement, I'm afraid I can't fix your condition, but I can laugh at it. ????

 

Do you want me to reply or report your comment as personal hate reply? Well, I'll do both as instructed earlier. Good bye.

 

[aright]

9 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Do you want me to reply or report your comment as personal hate reply? Well, I'll do both as instructed earlier. Good bye.

 

How petty you accuse me of being a simpleton and when I reply want to run to nanny.

Pathetic ????

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, aright said:

How petty you accuse me of being a simpleton and when I reply want to run to nanny.

Pathetic ????

I don't like threats. I prefer action. I did report your post, like I said I would. I also said that this feud was my fault.

 

Therefore you should be just fine. 

[evadgib]

22 minutes ago, aright said:

How petty you accuse me of being a simpleton and when I reply want to run to nanny.

Pathetic ????

He finds my avatar magnetic ????

[Guest]

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

UK always had her own control of her laws and courts. As well as borders.

 

Fisheries and fishing rights were a deal between many countries. UK gained some rights to Fancen's waters and French boats were allowed to visit UK's waters. The real fishing problem in the UK was the fishing rights inside the UK (big companies gaining control), which is not going to be resolved by brexit. 

 

When you catch your fish, where are you going to sell it? EU is not going to buy it if there is not a reasonable fisheries treaty in place. Perhaps you could sell all your fish to Australia. They would probably love it.

 

Agriculture you say? Hey, why don't we set 0 tariff to Thai chicken? That's a great idea and should make our people happy as they get cheap chicken meat to their tables!

 

The cheep farmers are likely to disagree as there is no longer anyone who would buy their meat. In a year or two their businesses go bust.  

 

Have a great future with your wonderful WTO rules, where you and only you drop import taxes to nill, to get cheap product from all over the world. 

 

Now how do you make money to pay for all of those cheap imports, which pretty much kills your own agriculture productions? Ah, you'll sell services, like you used to do, while you still were in EU. Oh, wait! That's not how things work after Brexit. Don't you think? 

Let's go back to this topic. 

 

Few years back I tried to find out what UK actually produces. How the UK creates it's wealth. 

 

That's pretty straight forward question for any country? Well in case of Britain, it was nothing like that. If I recall correctly Gold, yes the metal gold was 10+ percent of UK's exports. How much UK produces gold? Pretty much nill. UK imports gold from abused African countries, processes it and then exports the gold outside. 

 

That's 10% of the UK's exports. Nothing manufactured in the UK, simply processed in the UK. 10% of the UK's exports. How many people did that 10% employ in UK? 20 people, 50 people, 200 people?

 

For fishing industry, what Britain is going to do with all the expected fish, there is going to be? Britain is no longer to be able to sell those fish to EU, if there is not a treaty between these two, rather different sized economies. 

 

Australia will get all your fish.. if only Australia had not been an island with access to all the fish they need. 

 

But there is the sheep farmers in the UK, who will provide all the mutton to the world! Once again, who would buy their 20 euros meat when bright brexiters already made possible to import 1 euro/kg chicken meat right here from Thailand. All import tax free. No tarifs is the best deal!

 

There is a pretty good and reasonable reason, why EU places tarifs for it's imported goods outside of EU.

 

One can naturally argue about some tarifs, but I have not ever seen any brexiter really understood the issue.

If you are a brexiter who can really argue about tariffs, please come forward. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, evadgib said:

He finds my avatar magnetic ????

3.

[Scott]

Baiting, bickering posts and replies removed.

 

[AlexRich]

It looks like once all the options are discarded, May's deal, vote of no confidence, etc, we are back to the obvious solution to this gridlock ... a people's vote in the Summer ... followed by no Brexit.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

It looks like once all the options are discarded, May's deal, vote of no confidence, etc, we are back to the obvious solution to this gridlock ... a people's vote in the Summer ... followed by no Brexit

If you are aiming to no Brexit, please do it as soon as possible.

 

There might be a political fairness and will towards UK people to extend the 2 years of time limit by the EU countries, but please don't push your luck with that.

 

UK is either in or out. There is no longer time nor wish for the confused country's middle way what UK has been for the last 40 years, really.

 

In or out. 

[nontabury]

6 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I hope you're right but I think it may be impossible to stop completely. More likely is that TM will now be able to sideline the hard-core Brexiteers who have very little support in parliament and gain a majority for the softest of Brexits. Much will depend on the DUP and the Labour leadership.

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As you know, T May won a vote of confidence from 200 of her fellow conservative M.P’s.

So what will happen next, perhaps a call for the vote of confidence to be repeated, as they did’t know what they were voting for????????????

[bomber]

18 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

As you know, T May won a vote of confidence from 200 of her fellow conservative M.P’s.

So what will happen next, perhaps a call for the vote of confidence to be repeated, as they did’t know what they were voting for????????????

i doubt corbyn would get as many as 200 from his troops????