Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[redwood1]

[Leaver]

On 4/24/2021 at 1:07 AM, TaaSaparot said:

Good to see Ewan McGlashan is back in town.

 

Has taken charge of Steak & Co. which might save it.

 

He'll have to come up with some good take away specials.  I expect these restrictions to be around for at least 2 months.  

[Leaver]

On 4/27/2021 at 4:18 PM, jacko45k said:

It is sad, but we were expecting this third enforced closure regime would break many backs......

 

It's not just this third wave and restrictions.

 

We all know we are 12 months in with no tourism here, and no tourism for another 12 months seems highly likely, and that's best case scenario.  

 

Many leases are 3 to 5 years.  Some have key money due annually.  A lot of these will be coming up for renewal / payment.  Do they have the money to stay in the game.  Should they even bother to stay in the game?  Those that extended themselves in business here probably see no way out other than to dig themselves deeper in. 

 

There will be more closures in the months ahead.   

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Leaver

[GrandPapillon]

23 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

Dine-in services and gathering of more than 20 people banned in Bangkok, Chonburi, Chiang Mai, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, and Samut Prakan.

20 people, jesus, that's still a nice little cluster for spreading COVID

 

that should be restricted to less than 6

Edited April 30, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[TaaSaparot]

10 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

20 people, jesus, that's still a nice little cluster for spreading COVID

 

The reality is, its 20 people, for things like funerals, weddings, food handouts, immigration offices etc.

 

Everything else is pretty much already covered.

[DerbyDan]

16 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

It's not just this third wave and restrictions.

 

We all know we are 12 months in with no tourism here, and no tourism for another 12 months seems highly likely, and that's best case scenario.  

 

Many leases are 3 to 5 years.  Some have key money due annually.  A lot of these will be coming up for renewal / payment.  Do they have the money to stay in the game.  Should they even bother to stay in the game?  Those that extended themselves in business here probably see no way out other than to dig themselves deeper in. 

 

There will be more closures in the months ahead.   

 

 

Well with nobody around, closures are pretty likely.

[Leaver]

51 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

 

Well with nobody around, closures are pretty likely.

 

It's not just the fact nobody is around, it's the length of time nobody will be around. 

 

With no vaccination program up and running, and around 45 million Thai's needing to be vaccinated before the borders can open, there's at least another 12 months of nobody around.  

 

Many businesses that have struggled to survive to this point may lack the resources, or consider it no longer financially viable, to keep operating.   

[DerbyDan]

31 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

It's not just the fact nobody is around, it's the length of time nobody will be around. 

 

With no vaccination program up and running, and around 45 million Thai's needing to be vaccinated before the borders can open, there's at least another 12 months of nobody around.  

 

Many businesses that have struggled to survive to this point may lack the resources, or consider it no longer financially viable, to keep operating.   

 

I agree with you. With nobody around, and the length of time they will be gone, it's a no-brainer that most places will shutter.

[kingofthemountain]

I know it's a very popular restaurant for the expats here in Pattaya

i see always a lot of customers inside when i drive along everyday

around 7-8 pm, it's not a definitve closure (Of course you can not 

be sure at 100%) but because of the new regulation forbiden the dine in

for the restaurants the Sailor bar and restaurant Soi 8 is closed for

the next 2 weeks (I am afraid the closure could last longer than that)

[polpott]

many bar girls who have stuck it out through the closures have now given up and are returning home, probably permanently.

[Leaver]

20 minutes ago, polpott said:

many bar girls who have stuck it out through the closures have now given up and are returning home, probably permanently.

 

By the time covid has been finally dealt with in Thailand, many will be past their prime earning potential.  

[kingofthemountain]

36 minutes ago, polpott said:

many bar girls who have stuck it out through the closures have now given up and are returning home, probably permanently.

Same situation for the massages girls

they were living in the massage shop

eating and sleeping here, often with the most ''fortunate''

(The shop owner or one of the girl with sponsors abroad)

providing the food, but now more places are definitively closed

the shop owners don't see the point to continue to pay a rent

when they are again forced to close probably for the next months

[rott]

53 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

By the time covid has been finally dealt with in Thailand, many will be past their prime earning potential.  

You mean older/mature.? 

Nowt wrong with that lad. 

[TaaSaparot]

Dove Club in LK Metro will be a new opening, once the restrictions are lifted.

 

 

[kingofthemountain]

51 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

Dove Club in LK Metro will be a new opening, once the restrictions are lifted.

 

 

With the sacred statues and the small pot to burn the incense sticks already on the

counter, i don't see what could possibly going wrong, they should probably do ok

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, polpott said:

many bar girls who have stuck it out through the closures have now given up and are returning home, probably permanently.

Have any said that? I know they go on about living in the village, but the reality is staying there, without much money soon loses its shine.... they will be back if things open up. Many will return to the village with empty hands 

Edited May 1, 2021 by jacko45k

[chrisandsu]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Have any said that? I know they go on about living in the village, but the reality is staying there, without much money soon loses its shine.... they will be back if things open up. Many will return to the village with empty hands 

For sure they will be back . The alternative is to get a real job . 

[scubascuba3]

8 minutes ago, chrisandsu said:

For sure they will be back . The alternative is to get a real job . 

Yes they will be desperate to come back same as last time, only so many 7 Eleven jobs in Isaan

[chrisandsu]

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Yes they will be desperate to come back same as last time, only so many 7 Eleven jobs in Isaan

Yep who else is going to pay them to play connect 4 and look at their phones ? 

[bobbin]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Have any said that? I know they go on about living in the village, but the reality is staying there, without much money soon loses its shine.... they will be back if things open up. Many will return to the village with empty hands 

Hmmm. empty hands in Pattaya or empty hands in the village..

 

That's how they grew up.. can eat in the village..

 

And nothing to come back to here..

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, bobbin said:

Hmmm. empty hands in Pattaya or empty hands in the village..

 

That's how they grew up.. can eat in the village..

 

And nothing to come back to here..

I thought it clear as I wrote it... but here I meant that, I expect they will return TO the village without much money and no savings. Times have been lean.  If they get back to Pattaya in the future, probably borrowed the fare.

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I thought it clear as I wrote it... but here I meant that, I expect they will return TO the village without much money and no savings. Times have been lean.  If they get back to Pattaya in the future, probably borrowed the fare.

 

I think what the member is trying to say is, the bar girls can live for next to nothing in the village. Eg. the family grow their own rice and chickens, so there's dinner.  

 

Sure, there's no money to be made in the village, but they are not spending, buying such things as chicken and rice.  

 

Just as businesses here are trying to survive by minimizing expenses, bar girls are doing the same, which means going home.  

 

Once again, many will have a wait and see approach as to when it is financially viable for them to return to Pattaya.  

 

Bars are already struggling to to get bar girls.  I don't expect that to get any easier over the next several months.  

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Leaver

[DerbyDan]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I think what the member is trying to say is, the bar girls can live for next to nothing in the village. Eg. the family grow their own rice and chickens, so there's dinner.  

 

Sure, there's no money to be made in the village, but they are not spending, buying such things as chicken and rice.  

 

Just as businesses here are trying to survive by minimizing expenses, bar girls are doing the same, which means going home.  

 

Once again, many will have a wait and see approach as to when it is financially viable for them to return to Pattaya.  

 

Bars are already struggling to to get bar girls.  I don't expect that to get any easier over the next several months.  

 

 

 

 

I agree with you. With nobody around it's a no-brainer most venues will close shop.

[Walker88]

This thread has reached old age. A good many restaurants and bars are already closed, and the latest restrictions are just going to add to the toll of those who fail. Time has come to take a larger and longer view.

 

Covid has hit both health and the economy, but not equally across the world (obviously). While it's tough or unfair to equate economic pain with deaths, Thailand---in contrast to, for example, the US---has suffered more economic fallout. The combination of a now competent POTUS, plus the social safety net and stimulus packages in the US, is slowly bringing the US out of its darkest days. In contrast, the mistakes Thailand made (not ordering sufficient vaccine a year ago and not establishing a vaccination protocol) are now hitting it both healthwise and economically. Thailand needs to get up to speed, and do it quickly.

 

Current leadership doesn't seem to possess the skill to do the needful. Perhaps the fact that the US has now vaccinated most of those who want to be vaccinated (Darwin will take care of those who refuse) will free up supplies of the apparently superior Pfizer vaccine. Thailand should jump on this, as what they are currently using as the primary vaccine (Sinovac) is far and away the least effective and most dangerous. Secondly, Thailand needs to finally establish some sort of social safety net, using its (theoretical) stash of foreign reserves. If now isn't the crisis demanding accumulated wealth be used, then what is?

 

Six million Thais have reportedly lost their jobs in the last year. With the latest restrictions, that number will only grow. Hotels and restaurants, already hurting from the lack of tourism, will see their numbers continue to fall. While that will create opportunities for those with capital, timing of any 'vulture capitalism' will be critical. Buy too early and the buyer just bleeds cash; wait too long and miss opportunity. Capital inflow will eventually create employment, but not fast enough to aid the 6 million plus now suffering. Maybe 'your favorite restaurant or bar' will survive, or re-open at some point, but many are gone for good. Thailand will never see the customer base it had in 2018 or 2019 ever again, and must accept that and look for ways to aid those whose old jobs will never come back.

 

Those who have abandoned places like Bangkok and Pattaya, and returned to the provinces in Isaan, are not going to find work back home. Businesses are already overstaffed and fields like construction have all but evaporated. Nobody needs any more condos or department stores or office buildings. Perhaps the Thai govt could engage in an infrastructure program, but one would not be too out of line thinking any such program would be fraught with corruption, with only minimal help getting to those who need it. Neither can those going home expect to just live off farm produce. Not everyone owns arable land, and even if they do, crops do not grow in a day. it's a myth that they all have rice paddies and chickens. Yes, some do, but by no means everyone.

 

So it's high time for the govt to step up and do the job for which it appointed itself, or step aside and let democracy produce a proper solution.

 

 

[ChipButty]

I think you should do a new thread, about the Bars and Restaurants that are still open, survived Covid

This one is scraping the bottom of the barrel now

Edited May 3, 2021 by ChipButty

[rott]

On 5/1/2021 at 9:09 AM, DerbyDan said:

 

I agree with you. With nobody around, and the length of time they will be gone, it's a no-brainer that most places will shutter.

Yes, a case of stating the bleedin' obvious. 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

I think you should do a new thread, about the Bars and Restaurants that are still open, survived Covid

This one is scraping the bottom of the barrel now

stop posting and the thread will crash and burn

[jacko45k]

On 5/2/2021 at 8:29 AM, chrisandsu said:

Yep who else is going to pay them to play connect 4 and look at their phones ? 

Well no connect 4 but Homepro, Big C and Tesco pay for them to hide underfoot in the aisles and play with their phones!

[kingofthemountain]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Well no connect 4 but Homepro, Big C and Tesco pay for them to hide underfoot in the aisles and play with their phones!

The problem is Homepro, bigC, Tesco and the like are asking

a minimum school level most of these girls have never reached

because they were too lazy\stupid\already pregnants at 16 yo...

 

They don't have a lot of choices, it's the hard farm work on the land for 

8 hours\day paid 300-500 bahts with no any hope to climb the social ladder or their a..s on a barstool waiting the  next drink paid by a customer with the possibility of winning the jackpot one day and becoming a landlord

Edited May 3, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[champers]

It is not unusual for the parents of a pretty young village girl to aspire to have them working in a big city bar and snagging a rich foreign husband.