Close the borders to Chinese Arrivals before it is too late!

[Momofarang]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

And with this comparison you again show your lack of knowledge on spreading of viruses.

Steven, I am not sure any of us has and deep knowledge of virus propagation science. But our friend @Chrysaorahere seems to lack any common sense and works himself into a state of hysteria.

 

There is also something else, decisions makers have to weigh the economic impact of their decisions, poor economy is a poly-form silent killer too. Maybe someone has mentioned it, but  I don't bother going through the bickering

[Assurancetourix]

11 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

and risk dying as a consequence.

All is relative;
when you are born, you know that you will die ...

and then we are not yet in the catastrophic numbers of road deaths in Thailand ...
nor even more catastrophic of the so-called "domestic" deaths those arriving at home who are generally two to three times more numerous than those "on the road" .. whatever the country in the world ...

 

All in all, I am happy to live completely outside the "tourist circuit"; lost in the depths of nowhere in a tiny village of Isaan ...

[Momofarang]

17 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

All in all, I am happy to live completely outside the "tourist circuit"; lost in the depths of nowhere in a tiny village of Isaan ...

Hhmmmhhh, Issan is very close to places like Phuket and Pattaya in terms of virus propagation, as there is a legion of working girls shuttling back and forth between their favorite hunting grounds and home. In a nutshell they will carry HIV from their unfaithful Thai husbands to their Chinese customers and bring back the new new Corona-virus.

[tifino]

10 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

In a nutshell they will carry HIV from their unfaithful Thai husbands to their Chinese customers and bring back the new new Corona-virus.

playing a very dangerous Gamble...  

[tifino]

 

maybe Thailand could quickly introduce a US-like ESTA programme as a useful prescreening...

 - but make the processing time, much longer than the US's 72 hours 

 

and see who survives (incubation) healthily beyond that processing time

 

 

 

or restrict all entrants, to come into country via Ship, not Plane

 

The in lieu travel time, of Days into Weeks; instead of Minutes and Hours, might delay the 'fake' tourists for just long enough!

 

 

[ChipButty]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Ain't Thailand great?  If you did that in the nanny states, they'd own your hotel after the discrimination lawsuits.

 

On airbnb it is a big deal about discrimination although you can cancel bookings but the host gets fined up to $100 a time and they will only allow so many cancellations before they close your account down at least on airbnb you have the choice to accept or decline, on lots of other OTA's it is instant booking making it difficult to cancel

[ChipButty]

10 hours ago, cmsally said:

https://www.livescience.com/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html

 

A fairly good summary and at least it seems you can somewhat protect yourself by wearing mask, avoiding people sneezing etc and wash your hands after touching surfaces.

Like clean that finger print scanner at the airport?

[sammieuk1]

9 hours ago, Chrysaora said:

Someone should tell me the benefit to admitting Chinese at this point in history. 

Baht pure and simple this argument is currently raging on many platforms here as we speak????

[simon43]

The OP has a writing style similar to the recent thread about Inbound Coronal Mass Ejection, ie a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially if you are lacking in the brain cell department. ????

[VocalNeal]

^ I'm always in constant danger.

[ukrules]

On 1/25/2020 at 10:33 PM, Chrysaora said:

Someone should tell me the benefit to admitting Chinese at this point in history. 

The Chinese are the Thais lords and masters, they will never do anything to upset them.

[mike787]

Chinese eat everything/anything, that's the genesis of this virus.  Lock the place down. We don't need their stuff or issues.  They want to live like that they can...

[Chrysaora]

23 hours ago, cmsally said:

https://www.chiangmainews.co.th/page/archives/1243673

 

Well it seems number 7 is in Chiang Mai at McCormick Hospital.

Sorry in Thai, couldn't find English.

Also another article says they have only just stopped flights from Wuhan to CM.

I have heard through friends that the Wuhan shutdown was known about before implementation, so many people just fled out in haste.

Is there any discussion of temporarily closing Thailand to anyone coming from, or through China?

[Chrysaora]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

The Chinese are the Thais lords and masters, they will never do anything to upset them.

I'll bet the Thais are dying to see each and every one of them.

[tifino]

54 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Is there any discussion of temporarily closing Thailand to anyone coming from, or through China?

see Post#1 onwards... ???? 

[jesimps]

On 1/25/2020 at 8:10 PM, CharlieH said:

Seems a pointless exercise, as you have no say nor influence in this country unless you are a Thai national.

 

 

 

It's an opinion poll, we all know what we think won't have any bearing upon what happens. That's why they're called opinion polls. I for one am interested in what others think.

[phetphet]

I read last night that symptoms still might not show until fourteen days after infection, so there will likely still be infections to show up.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523

[orang37]

On 1/25/2020 at 8:06 PM, Chrysaora said:

I see, so according to you, although some water entered through the top hatch of the conning tower (submarine) we should not bother closing or sealing it as we dive. 

 

We should drown.

 

Does that sum it up?

 

i hope you will forgive me if i respond to this metaphoric submersion with a haiku:

 

~

 

we will never drown

as long as we keep

our submarines on dry land

 

~

 

~o:37;

[Bundooman]

They're NOT allowed to. 

Xi hasn't given them permission!

[Thaidream]

Millions of people get the flu every year and thousands die of it Worldwide.  

 

This virus is similar to the flu and becomes dangerous only when it develops into pneumonia which is treatable .

 

Mass hysteria is taking over due to  media reports that are filled with  information that is not correct.

 

This is not Ebola where the majority of people die.  This disease shows almost a 96% recovery rate.  Hospitals in China are being overwhelmed not from the actual virus but people rushing there with colds or the flu.  

 

The same precautions for cold and flu season work on this virus= wash one's hands; keep hands away from the face;  avoid hospitals unless actual  ill with potential pneumonia.

 

The Chinese have already restricted all travel - Thailand needs responsbile and true reporting and a calming atmosphere.   

[IAMHERE]

On 1/25/2020 at 7:52 PM, Chrysaora said:

On 1/25/2020 at 7:51 PM, saengd said:

Closing stable door after horse has bolted.

I don't understand.

Many think it was pig or birds at the wet market in Wuhan; some one else thinks it was horsemeat? Horse is pretty good eating I read on the internet. But like Abe Lincoln said "don't believe all you read on the internet".

Close the door with China ok but since the virus is now in other countries you'd have to close those doors too. 

[Mavideol]

too little too late, Thailand had the opportunity of doing Pro active measures by controlling/stopping/restricting the arrival of Chinese citizens, unfortunately (here in Thailand) money talks louder then people health concerns and they kept let them (Chinese) coming, now they are trying the reactive measures but the "cat" is already out and about

[CharlieH]

Please do not post anything that is not from a reliable source. No you tube, facebook, twitter, no "exposes" etc.

Any such posts will be removed as "trolling" if deemed unreliable and dealt with accordingly.

 

[Russell17au]

Because of the incubation period it is impossible to screen for this virus until it progresses out of the incubation period. As an example the first case in Australia was a man who arrived via China East Airways and he had NO symptoms whilst travelling or on his arrival in Melbourne and it took 2 days before he showed any symptoms of this virus and then it took another 2 days to diagnose that it was this virus and not some other common virus. So from the time of arrival in Melbourne to time of diagnoses was 4 days and it is not known how many days before he arrived in Melbourne was he infected. The mortality rate for this virus is far lower than the previous SARS virus and is far lower than the normal Asian Flu which is world wide and you do not get any of the hype about them. Airport screening does not work as I was involved with this process in Australia for the SARS virus and the screening only picks up abnormal high body temperature which could come from a simple thing like a headache or the common cold and with a virus like this the body temperature remains the same whilst the virus is in the incubation stage. Closing borders and things like that is complete hysteria and does not work because the virus has already spread from its initial starting point.

[Elkski]

Let's just see how many of those 40 possible cases turn positive.   Hopefully all.  AMD hopefully we dont get and new human to human cases in Thailand  from this initial batch. 

[9653]

On 1/25/2020 at 8:17 PM, tomazbodner said:

It's ALREADY too late.

 

Here are a couple of things (obviously this is about SARS, which is 1 protein different from current Wuhan corona virus, so probably same things apply):

- SARS can survive up to 6 hours in human faeces, up to 4 days in diarrhoea

- SARS showed only minimal reduction when kept in sub-zero temperature (like a fridge)

- SARS could be effectively killed by disinfectants like chlorine bleach, within 5 minutes

- SARS could also be killed by UV light, where 264 nm was especially effective, killing off viruses in seconds

 

As said, although this is for SARS, the strains are near identical so above is probably true for current virus as well.

 

EDIT: I should provide links as well:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/sars-virus-can-survive-for-weeks-outside-body-who-1.475387

https://materion.com/resource-center/newsletters/materials-news-stats-and-chats/killing-germs-with-leds

https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(10)00420-7/fulltext

Well supported report, Op!

[newnative]

    It should have been done before but just because it wasn't done before does not mean it shouldn't be done now.  The virus is still spreading and now China has announced that it can be spread during the incubation period.

[Nanaplaza666]

On 1/25/2020 at 8:04 PM, saengd said:

The virus is already here, closing the borders won't help.

It will help , if you have a flood and you have a way to stop the rest of the water to come in , would you just let the floodgates open ???? Little bit strange post in my mind . 

[Russell17au]

23 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

It will help , if you have a flood and you have a way to stop the rest of the water to come in , would you just let the floodgates open ???? Little bit strange post in my mind . 

using your way of thinking you can only close the floodgates IF you know that the flood is coming. You cannot see this virus coming so you cannot close the floodgates as you claim. With this virus how long ago did the very first person contract this virus? Nobody knows. This virus could have started anything up to 6 months ago and it has all that time to flood other countries. Remember that it has an incubation period which does not show any symptoms and then it only shows a normal flu symptom which is already rampant in the US for years. It is not until the symptoms start to cause other medical problems like pneumonia that it is linked to this virus. How many people have contracted this virus that have traveled out of China in the last 6 months. It is too late for the floodgates

[JWRC]

Someone has just sent me a copy of a communication from a friend in China. According to this there are tens of thousands of people affected by the coronavirus, quite a different number to what the government are letting on.