Nearly one in six Britons would refuse Covid-19 vaccine

[robblok]

Just now, Peter Denis said:

Did it ever occur to you that those 'selfish people' you want to punish, might have very good reasons for refusing vaccination?

The only selfish one here is yourself, who wants to punish those with other convictions because they would - in your opinion - benefit from the 'free ride' by those that choose to get vaccinated.

I am disgusted by such attitude!

Im disgusted with your attitude. I can accept you not wanting a vaccination but your not willing to give up anything for it. You just want your free ride. Im willing to take a small risk for everyone while you are not but want all the benefits. Utterly selfish. So yes I do hope they ban people like you from entrance and stuff like that. Then you can have your freedom but pay for it like i pay for the greater good by taking a small risk.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, innosiem said:

i am already here
if they required me to be vaccinated to be able return at any time
i would not return and then sell everything
buy the wife a 2nd passport and move elsewhere

one stat i would really like to know
is how many positives
had already had flu vaccines prior?
 

I have had flu vaccines but i don't consider them really important. Did have all my other vaccinations. I respect you. I really do at least you got balls and a conviction to leave if you had to get vaccinated. You dont expect a free ride but are willing to do what it takes for your conviction. That is great.

[sanuk711]

remove please

Edited July 22, 2020 by sanuk711

[Somtamnication]

Just watch the movie I am Legend and make up your mind. I would not take the vaccine at 1.0. I will need to see what happens and then wait for version 2.0.

 

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Somtamnication said:

Just watch the movie I am Legend and make up your mind. I would not take the vaccine at 1.0. I will need to see what happens and then wait for version 2.0.

 

 

Yes lets watch a fiction movie to make up our mind. ????

 

I like to laugh too... now about you ???? (see remark under your name)

[Cake Monster]

8 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Did it ever occur to you that those 'selfish people' you want to punish, might have very good reasons for refusing vaccination?

The only selfish one here is yourself, who wants to punish those with other convictions because they would - in your opinion - benefit from the 'free ride' by those that choose to get vaccinated.

I am disgusted by such attitude!

I may or may not be a selfish person.

But before somebody puts anything into MY BODY, I would want it to be safe

[innosiem]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

I have had flu vaccines but i don't consider them really important. Did have all my other vaccinations. I respect you. I really do at least you got balls and a conviction to leave if you had to get vaccinated. You dont expect a free ride but are willing to do what it takes for your conviction. That is great.

personally, i am not anti-vax
people are free to create what they call vaccines
and people are also free to inject them into their bodies
but nobody has the right to force others to do as they did
people should be free to choose what goes into their bodies

i don't put a label on myself i am human
but i try to now live as natural as possible
using my own mind to determine what is best for my own body

all depends on how you look at life and what we are and why we are here.

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by innosiem

[NanLaew]

42 minutes ago, stouricks said:

Not wanting to turn this into a Thai-bashing answer, but do 1 in 6 wear helmets when riding motorbikes, have insurance, licences.

What's with your head bashing?

[bkk6060]

2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

But before somebody puts anything into MY BODY, I would want it to be safe

You eat here?

Sorry, then your thinking is flawed.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

I may or may not be a selfish person.

But before somebody puts anything into MY BODY, I would want it to be safe

That is of course true, but how long to wait before you decide. I mean i would have my doubts with a Chinese vaccine. Not with a Brit or US or German one. 

[meechai]

16 minutes ago, robblok said:

Freedom is good as long as you pay something for it and stand behind your convictions even if it costs you something.

See this is very odd thinking in a bizzaro way

 

You seem to think taking a vaccination is your way of paying for your freedom & in your mind you paid & that shows you stand behind your convictions??

 

Yet the people who refuse to take it ...do they not have conviction as they are willing to pay for it with their lives if they are wrong?

After all your of the mind the vaccine is a shield... a safety....So these folks who choose to put their lives on the line have they no shield

 so have basically shown they stand behind their convictions?

 

In a previous post you spoke against "bible belters" & while I have no religion myself

I am guessing those "bible belters" do not hold your wanting to take a vaccine against you as you hold their reluctance against them

 

Your under some kind of false bravado that you take a vaccine & have eliminated risk for others.

Truth is you took a vaccine because your afraid of not taking one or believe xyz etc reasons for taking one. Not because your

paying for freedom....

 

Your taking a vaccine has lessened risk for others only in your mind.

Edited July 22, 2020 by meechai

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, innosiem said:

personally, i am not anti-vax
people are free to create what they call vaccines
and people are also free to inject them into their bodies

i don't put a label on myself i am human
but i try to now live as natural as possible
using my own mind to determine what is best for my own body

all depends on how you look at life and what we are and why we are here.

I agree with what you say as your willing to pay the price for refusing. I can 100% respect that. I don't respect the free ride people. Different thing. 

 

I also respect and understand that people want a safe vaccine. I would trust the labs about that (there are so many people checking it right now)

[innosiem]

Just now, robblok said:

That is of course true, but how long to wait before you decide. I mean i would have my doubts with a Chinese vaccine. Not with a Brit or US or German one. 

if you keep waiting and keep not dying........whats the rush ?

please explain why UK, US or DE is trusted and China is not ?

[Peter Denis]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Im disgusted with your attitude. I can accept you not wanting a vaccination but your not willing to give up anything for it. You just want your free ride. Im willing to take a small risk for everyone while you are not but want all the benefits. Utterly selfish. So yes I do hope they ban people like you from entrance and stuff like that. Then you can have your freedom but pay for it like i pay for the greater good by taking a small risk.

It is your conviction that you are 'safe' once being vaccinated.

The risk that you try to avoid is therefore only in the group of those that choose not to be vaccinated.

That should be 'punishment' enough, but no in your opinion those 'selfish ones' should be extra punished because you voluntarily took the what-you-call small risk of the vaccination.

What a totally twisted world-view!

Utterly disgusted by such intolerant view.  You obviously do not have the slightest idea of the motives and convictions of those refusing vaccination (they are all 'free-loaders' in your narrow mind).

 

 

[ezzra]

There are many silly misguided people all over the world that thinks that their free will and civil liberties are taken away from them, this is why we have laws and people to enforce the laws once it will become mandatory to be vaccinated...

[robblok]

1 minute ago, meechai said:

See this is very odd thinking in a bizzaro way

 

You seem to think taking a vaccination is your way of paying for your freedom & in your mind you paid & that shows stand behind your convictions??

 

Yet the people who refuse to take it ...do they not have conviction as they are willing to pay for it with their lives if they are wrong?

After all your of the mind the vaccine is a shield... a safety....So these folks who choose to put their lives on the line have they no shield

 so have in basically shown they stand behind their convictions?

 

In a previous post you spoke against "bible belters" & while I have no religion myself

I am guessing those "bible belters" do not hold your wanting to take a vaccine against you as you hold their reluctance against them

 

Your under some kind of false bravado that you take a vaccine & have eliminated risk for others.

Truth is you took a vaccine because your afraid of not taking one or believe xyz etc reasons for taking one. Not because your

paying for freedom....

 

Your taking a vaccine has lessened risk for others only in your mind.

No the people who do not take it are protected by those who take it. (just read how vaccines work). Once people are vaccinated the virus dies out because it cant spread. So those people had a free ride.

 

I am not affraid of not taking one at all im a healhty 46 year old not fat so no problems. Im not in the risk group.

You seem to know little about how vaccines work and why i talk about a free ride.

Those bible belters had free rides but are also the cause of certain diseases coming back in my country. So because of their ignorance and refusals others hurt. So yea I have something against them.

[innosiem]

Just now, ezzra said:

There are many silly misguided people all over the world that thinks that their free will and civil liberties are taken away from them, this is why we have laws and people to enforce the laws once it will become mandatory to be vaccinated...

that is when i move country

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, innosiem said:

if you keep waiting and keep not dying........whats the rush ?

please explain why UK, US or DE is trusted and China is not ?

Its about how open the research is and who else can look into it. About peer reviews and so on. China is too secretive. 

[rumak]

32 minutes ago, robblok said:

Totally different in my part of Thailand all are still wearing masks. A bit less then before but when shopping all are wearing masks. People i see making trouble about it and putting fake names on lists are foreigners. I think Thais are far more likely to take the vaccine then the selfish gits that post here complaining about masks, social distancing and tracking.

the main problem i have with your posts.... which are your opinions and you are welcome to.... is that

you feel the need to call those with differing opinions "idiots"  or "gits" (whatever that means) .

Surely with your manly figure you do not need to call names .  Just a snarl might do .

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

It is your conviction that you are 'safe' once being vaccinated.

The risk that you try to avoid is therefore only in the group of those that choose not to be vaccinated.

That should be 'punishment' enough, but no in your opinion those 'selfish ones' should be extra punished because you voluntarily took the what-you-call small risk of the vaccination.

What a totally twisted world-view!

Utterly disgusted by such intolerant view.  You obviously do not have the slightest idea of the motives and convictions of those refusing vaccination (they are all 'free-loaders' in your narrow mind).

 

 

Your the one with a narrow mind, wanting a free ride. Not much conviction letting others take a risk and you having the free ride. Whatever convictions you have obviously they are not that important as your not willing to pay a price for it. Not like Innosiem. Him i respect. 

[robblok]

Just now, rumak said:

the main problem i have with your posts.... which are your opinions and you are welcome to.... is that

you feel the need to call those with differing opinions "idiots"  or "gits" (whatever that means) .

Surely with your manly figure you do not need to call names .  Just a snarl might do .

You think my posts are opinions, however masks have been proven to safe lives. So its facts. So i don't feel its bad to call people who don't wear masks idiots. I feel they are selfish. 

[rumak]

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

There are many silly misguided people all over the world that thinks that their free will and civil liberties are taken away from them, this is why we have laws and people to enforce the laws once it will become mandatory to be vaccinated...

hmmmm.      silly and misguided.       glad you are here to be the judge who they are

[innosiem]

Just now, robblok said:

Its about how open the research is and who else can look into it. About peer reviews and so on. China is too secretive. 

so you just go on what others say
who you are told to trust by others

my point being, relying on so called "experts" means you have no way of actually knowing yourself
so you are blindly putting trust in others whom you know nothing about
except you have been told they are "experts"
(yes i do know what "peer reviews" are)

again, people free to choose
but why do pro vaxxers demand everyone MUST get vaccinated ?
if you are vaccinated, and i am not
you should feel safe and sound, no ?

[holy cow cm]

Up to them. Their life or death. As for me and my family, we will get it if it is like a prevention shot.

[innosiem]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

You think my posts are opinions, however masks have been proven to safe lives. So its facts. So i don't feel its bad to call people who don't wear masks idiots. I feel they are selfish. 

numbers also prove
its nothing more than the flu
which many non maskers stated at the very start of all this????

The "experts" also first said masks were not needed then it became political????‍♂️

since the panic fear started
the global population has also increased by ~50 million people????‍♂️

 

[rumak]

Just now, robblok said:

You think my posts are opinions, however masks have been proven to safe lives. So its facts. So i don't feel its bad to call people who don't wear masks idiots. I feel they are selfish. 

It also has been proven that unhealthy diets and obesity are extremely dangerous to one's health ( just ONE example of the multitude of things I find perplexing)

but i do not walk down the street calling them all idiots. 

hey, if you get the vaccine...... you won't have to worry .   And all those idiots will die .  Happy days

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, innosiem said:

so you just go on what others say
who you are told to trust by others

my point being, relying on so called "experts" means you have no way of actually knowing yourself
so you are blindly putting trust in others whom you know nothing about
except you have been told they are "experts"
(yes i do know what "peer reviews" are)

again, people free to choose
but why do pro vaxxers demand everyone MUST get vaccinated ?
if you are vaccinated, and i am not
you should feel safe and sound, no ?

Yes im relying on experts just like anti vaxers rely on fake facebook stories (and fiction movies like I am legend). Of course I don't know everything myself that is why there are respected experts and peer reviews. If you don't understand that then its pointless to go on with a discussion.

 

No taking a vaccin is more then just being safe myself. For some the vaccine might not work but they are protected by the amount of people who take it. Plus once the disease is eradicated people don't have to take the vaccine anymore. So it all depends on how many people take the vaccine. People need to take it in sufficient numbers for it to be work. That is why i say let those who chose not too pay the price too. 

 

Previously you said you were willing to pay the price. So why argue I think we are on one line. You are willing to move or take an other form of inconvenience because of your beliefs. I respect that. 

[Curt1591]

As 2020 moves into 2021, let's see how this COVID thing plays out. I get a feeling that it will be viewed a bit differently. 

[innosiem]

1 minute ago, rumak said:

It also has been proven that unhealthy diets and obesity are extremely dangerous to one's health ( just ONE example of the multitude of things I find perplexing)

but i do not walk down the street calling them all idiots. 

hey, if you get the vaccine...... you won't have to worry .   And all those idiots will die .  Happy days

cannot agree more????
people today think they do not need to be responsible for their own bodies????‍♂️

[mr mr]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

You think my posts are opinions, however masks have been proven to safe lives. So its facts. So i don't feel its bad to call people who don't wear masks idiots. I feel they are selfish. 

please tell me english is your second language ?