1 hour ago, FarangULong said:

But yeah, if you get a degree in a decent field, you CAN make upwards of 6 figures per year (especially IT). And that also buys you a house.

Never met anyone in IT that made significant money.

What was this topic again?

 

1 hour ago, JoseThailand said:

Pattaya is a town for horny sex tourists and cheap broke retirees living on less than $1000 per month.

I wish I could!

1 hour ago, moontang said:

The bar scene here, obviously swirling down the toilet for years, is just a symptom; of a much more serious disease.  Wyoming produces 7,500,000,000,000,000 BTUs of energy per year.

 

Drinking 490 ml cans of cold, fresh Heinekens that cost me <57 THB each, but go to a bar and it's 80 for a warm, old, small, and hassles from transvestites and girls with a third grade education.

The bar scene is pretty much the same as it's always been (excl covid). And are you another who seriously compares bar prices with shops/supermarkets.?

If you open your eyes and walk along Soi Buakhao there are a number of bars where you can get a 620 ml bottle for around 80 baht. 

 

If you are regularly served warm beer in bars you are picking the wrong places. Or not telling the truth. 

1 hour ago, moontang said:

600 usd would be more accurate.  Most of them act like they are too good to talk about anything involving economics, unless it involves their own penny pinching.  Might as well talk to the soi dogs.

Sorry for my previous responses I did not realise that everything you say is absolute nonsense with no basis in reality. 

 

Or perhaps you've just got a hangover. 

55 minutes ago, rott said:

The bar scene is pretty much the same as it's always been (excl covid). And are you another who seriously compares bar prices with shops/supermarkets.?

If you open your eyes and walk along Soi Buakhao there are a number of bars where you can get a 620 ml bottle for around 80 baht. 

 

If you are regularly served warm beer in bars you are picking the wrong places. Or not telling the truth. 

The situation with the bars serving beer that is older than their illegitimates has been addressed, here.  It is rare when you see a fridge set below 5c, many even have regulators not allowing below 4c...the manufacturers say 36f or 2.22c, so even if they didn't turn off the cooler at night, or load it with warm ones..it would be impossible to get one that has ever been at the correct drinking temp.  Seen a few use ice bins, but they think it works better with 27c water Added to the bins, and what you get is a beer out of barely chilled water.  

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No mystery. Back home sucks. LOS is super. I dream of being in Pattaya.

 

6 hours ago, newnative said:

   Exactly!  I've lost count of the number of TVF posters who have been long gone from Pattaya but, yet, here they still are year after year seeking out every little news story remotely about Pattaya and taking valuable time from their fabulous lives elsewhere to pause their day to make their usually out-of-date and often inaccurate comments.  It's a mystery, likely to remain unsolved, why they just can't quit Pattaya. 

Yes home sucks, I was in Denmark for 1 month after I finally managed to get off from oil offshore (normally 2 month, but I did 5!!)

 

I took me 1 month to sort out all the paper work and get a repatriation flight back to my adapted home; Thailand.

 

In the beginning in DK it was nice and relatively hot but in the end, autumn was setting in and I had to buy a windbreaker and some extra clothing. Further it's not normal to have AC so when it's really hot it's not easy to sleep. In my house here in Pattaya I have 22 dec.C in the bedroom (during nights) all year.

 

A beer in a bar in DK typically cost around 220 baht for a pint. Eating out starts at around 600-800 baht for the cheaper places (1 person) and the sky is the limit.

 

Sad to see all the closing down all over Pattaya but for me not living off tourists, I must admit that I enjoy the lack of people and big buses.

1 hour ago, moontang said:

The situation with the bars serving beer that is older than their illegitimates has been addressed, here.  It is rare when you see a fridge set below 5c, many even have regulators not allowing below 4c...the manufacturers say 36f or 2.22c, so even if they didn't turn off the cooler at night, or load it with warm ones..it would be impossible to get one that has ever been at the correct drinking temp.  Seen a few use ice bins, but they think it works better with 27c water Added to the bins, and what you get is a beer out of barely chilled water.  

There was no mention by me of sell-by dates, so you've lost me there. 

It is a rare event to get a beer that is not cold enough and when it has happened, usually they can change it. For you to experience it as a regular thing I find difficult to believe, perhaps you need to try somewhere different. 

Likewise if you don't like being bothered by katoeys or bargirls (neither do I) don't go to tranny bars or girlie bars. 

6 hours ago, moontang said:

The bar scene here, obviously swirling down the toilet for years, is just a symptom; of a much more serious disease.  Wyoming produces 7,500,000,000,000,000 BTUs of energy per year.

 

Drinking 490 ml cans of cold, fresh Heinekens that cost me <57 THB each, but go to a bar and it's 80 for a warm, old, small, and hassles from transvestites and girls with a third grade education.

I dream of being hassled by girls with a third grade education. Those were the best years of my life and I had some amazing experiences before I even knew Thailand had bar girls.

Singapore had legal brothels, but they were dire and horrible.

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Never met anyone in IT that made significant money.

What was this topic again?

 

Well digital nomads don't count.

 

I'm talking about actual programmers, people selling software (such as CRM), etc. They all easily make that much.

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Never met anyone in IT that made significant money.

What was this topic again?

 

They did during the millenium bug scam problem.

3 hours ago, rott said:

There was no mention by me of sell-by dates, so you've lost me there. 

It is a rare event to get a beer that is not cold enough and when it has happened, usually they can change it. For you to experience it as a regular thing I find difficult to believe, perhaps you need to try somewhere different. 

Likewise if you don't like being bothered by katoeys or bargirls (neither do I) don't go to tranny bars or girlie bars. 

Meanwhile, most bars have a negative resale value..sorry you can't understand that a beer out of a cooler set on 4c will not possibly be cold enough.  Can't read the fill date?  Perhaps, an exchange of the bottle bottoms would be more efficient than attempting an exchange with an angry, desperate lady.

34 minutes ago, moontang said:

Meanwhile, most bars have a negative resale value..sorry you can't understand that a beer out of a cooler set on 4c will not possibly be cold enough.  Can't read the fill date?  Perhaps, an exchange of the bottle bottoms would be more efficient than attempting an exchange with an angry, desperate lady.

Once again you start with a red herring "most bars have a negative resale value". So what.? No one mentioned anything about it. No one cares. Bars have been a buyers market for a long time. It is rare to hear a complaint about the temp of the beer. Most of us go in bars to drink the stuff and generally fail to check the sell by date. Sorry about that. 

31 minutes ago, rott said:

Once again you start with a red herring "most bars have a negative resale value". So what.? No one mentioned anything about it. No one cares. Bars have been a buyers market for a long time. It is rare to hear a complaint about the temp of the beer. Most of us go in bars to drink the stuff and generally fail to check the sell by date. Sorry about that. 

People close to the bar business with zero understanding of refrigeration and freshness?  Perhaps, a look in the mirror, or a walk through the abandoned strip malls that look like they were victim to a riot.

 

Bread isle..well known grocer...

12 years coming to Pattaya I've only ever had 2 warm beers and both were replaced immediately. Supposed warm beer is not a reason to give up on Pattaya

24 minutes ago, moontang said:

People close to the bar business with zero understanding of refrigeration and freshness?  Perhaps, a look in the mirror, or a walk through the abandoned strip malls that look like they were victim to a riot.

I am not close to the bar business, I am a moderate social drinker. Which malls in Pattaya resemble the aftermath of a riot? And if there are any so <deleted> what. Anyway ricardus heddus I will no longer rise to your bait, enjoy Wyoming. 

And the droplets of oil in the water, plainly visible on the beach?  All normal if you are from an east london slum, I suppose.

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Never met anyone in IT that made significant money.

What was this topic again?

 

I didn't do too badly....but then I was Contract only for the last 20 years of my working life; prior I spent quite a long time working overseas.

Retired at 55 home paid for 2 decades ago - can afford a decent car. And next year my State Pension commences. 

 

Sadly, my long-term pleasure of travelling (Thailand and other places) is on hold for some indeterminate time....ho hum! ????

2 hours ago, moontang said:

And the droplets of oil in the water, plainly visible on the beach?  All normal if you are from an east london slum, I suppose.

Nobody in his right mind comes in Pattaya for the quality of the beach, the temples, the food

we are all here for the girls (Or the boys, or the ladyboys, well there is a way for everyone here)

 

A few guys came by mistake, usualy they don't stay long and never return

 

few come because they were send here for work by their company

and they are more than happy to come back to their country of origin

at the end of the contract, particularly if they were here with their family

 

can i ask you why you come in Pattaya ?

Reading the quarantine experience thread in visa section is brutal. Some guys posting live from day 5 say they hadn't been outside their room and had not seen a single person since they arrived (they do their own temp checks and report by phone/line)

 

That's not quarantine, that's solitary confinement so while I love Pattaya, it doesn't deserve that form of mental stress. So back to giving up for this year.

 

I guess I could think of it as a well needed 14 day Rehab since no alchohol allowed ????

3 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Nobody in his right mind comes in Pattaya for the quality of the beach, the temples, the food

we are all here for the girls (Or the boys, or the ladyboys, well there is a way for everyone here)

 

A few guys came by mistake, usualy they don't stay long and never return

 

few come because they were send here for work by their company

and they are more than happy to come back to their country of origin

at the end of the contract, particularly if they were here with their family

 

can i ask you why you come in Pattaya ?

I live in BKK...used to stay at a friend's house in HH, but he sold it last year.

Was going out with lady from Ayutthaya, who works in Patts, and it is easy to get too.  I thought the beach at Jomtien was acceptable.  Once the flag men return to HH, Jomtien will look better..just too many sloppy pigs working in hotels and restaurants, and their products reflect that.

7 hours ago, moontang said:

I live in BKK...used to stay at a friend's house in HH, but he sold it last year.

Was going out with lady from Ayutthaya, who works in Patts, and it is easy to get too.

You don't live in Pattaya. so It does make sense

and explain your posts. The most critics about Pattaya

are usualy the ones not living here.

The beach in Jomtiem is not very different from the beach in Pattaya

and the sea is the same aswell, with ''the droplets of oil in the water''

Hua Hin is nice, but the city is a little bit too quiet and boring from my

point of view, it should be perfect if i was 80 years old or more.

thank you for your answer

48 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

You don't live in Pattaya. so It does make sense

and explain your posts. The most critics about Pattaya

are usualy the ones not living here.

The beach in Jomtiem is not very different from the beach in Pattaya

and the sea is the same aswell, with ''the droplets of oil in the water''

Hua Hin is nice, but the city is a little bit too quiet and boring from my

point of view, it should be perfect if i was 80 years old or more.

thank you for your answer

Maybe it is the abundance of transvestites, beggars, and or criminals on the beach in Patts, made me biased, but as of six weeks ago, Jomtien did seem significantly cleaner than Patts.  And I spend hours a day in the water.  Got a nice room in the Scandie section of HH for 320...three minutes walk to the best beach in HH, but there are certainly issues here..As far as food and the locals, CM is many times nicer, but unfortunately it turned into a rat infested, tour bus destination, too.  So, I would say, if you are happy with your surroundings, good for you, enjoy it while you can, because just about everything they touch turns to shiit.  One bedroom condos off plan are 7.89 million..3 would be a stretch.

12 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Nobody in his right mind comes in Pattaya for the quality of the beach, the temples, the food

we are all here for the girls (Or the boys, or the ladyboys, well there is a way for everyone here)

 

Well thats where you're completely and utterly wrong

Now I dont come for the quality of the beach per se but I certainly enjoy the beach, the swimming pools, the sun, the weather, the food. the shopping and the general ambience and despite exchange rates doing the above is still very cheap

 

The Girls I've always viewed as a great bonus at the end of the night

3 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Well thats where you're completely and utterly wrong

Now I dont come for the quality of the beach per se but I certainly enjoy the beach, the swimming pools, the sun, the weather, the food. the shopping and the general ambience and despite exchange rates doing the above is still very cheap

 

The Girls I've always viewed as a great bonus at the end of the night

The superb sunsets in Patts are a big plus to end an afternoon of cold, fresh beers out of my cooler on the beach.  Sunsets over the hills in HH, are as bland as a pot pie.  Never seen the jellyfish in Patts..maybe a benefit of being so close to the Exxon refinery.  The rains seem to bring them to HH, but at least they don't have a flagman and stand in the road taking pictures.  

On 8/26/2020 at 11:59 PM, shdmn said:

Now is probably a good time for bargain hunters.

It certainly is. 3 condos (of 5) have already been sold in my building in the last 2 months, all at around half price because the owner were desperate... condos that were previously valued at around 9 million. One guy bought two.

Pattaya: I've been trying to settle in for almost 30 years.  Every morning I tell myself don't give up too soon ...

I really don't understand why people that don't live in Pattaya feel the need to come into the Pattaya thread and say how bad they think it is. Surely you can spend time in the thread where you actually live or threads where you love going to.

 

Your'e just trolling otherwise 

 

People love Pattaya for the same reason some people hate it. If you don't like it, it's not Pattaya's fault ????

 

Me, I loved that every night in Pattaya felt like New Years eve, well at least until the flag waving chinese tourists put us in a fishbowl, but we adjusted, we moved to LK Metro ????

2 hours ago, Chivas said:

Well thats where you're completely and utterly wrong

Now I dont come for the quality of the beach per se but I certainly enjoy the beach, the swimming pools, the sun, the weather, the food. the shopping and the general ambience and despite exchange rates doing the above is still very cheap

 

The Girls I've always viewed as a great bonus at the end of the night

Reading your answer i am not at all ''completely and utterly wrong''

but you are not alone to be in a form of deny

 

if it wasn't the girls, a lot of others places

offer you a much better deal for the beach

the swimming, the sun. the weather, the food

the shopping and the general ambience.

2 hours ago, JensenZ said:

It certainly is. 3 condos (of 5) have already been sold in my building in the last 2 months, all at around half price because the owner were desperate... condos that were previously valued at around 9 million. One guy bought two.

wait again 6 months

the prices will be down the drain

more desperation is coming after the ''high season'' not happens

35 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

wait again 6 months

the prices will be down the drain

more desperation is coming after the ''high season'' not happens

If you'd seen these particular condos, the buyer hit the jackpot. 250 m2, full floor with balconies on 4 sides, 4 bedrooms. lift entrance... and in a premium location on the hill. The seller was the son of the original owner who died and left over 20 condos to him... so he wasn't desperate for money (spoiled son) and just wanted to offload them as fast as possible. It was a matter of being in the right place at the right time... but I agree, deals will improve as the months tick on.