UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[luckyluke]

28 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So I will leave my celebrations until it is certain

 

Same for many Europeans from the E.U..

 

I will not use the word celebration, as we don't know what is to celebrate.

 

With no deal, the E.U & U.K. will be at the same status as the day after the results of the referendum.

 

But finally this Brexit negotiation circus will come to an end.

 

Of course this is an extra polling based on the opinion of the people I know.

 

On the 3 forums I am member of,  there is no interest at all, I presume because it has no influence on the people's daily live.

 

This may change next year, or than not.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You mentioned long memories, I can tell you I and many others never forgot the betrayal from Heath, Blair and  Major.

 

The true campaign was to leave the CU, SM and ECJ. We will with a no deal. Job done. 

Actually it was you who less than 30

minutes ago first mention ‘long memories’, or have you already forgotten?!

[luckyluke]

28 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Lets see how much love there will be in a few months/years.

 

Indeed, the future of the E.U. and U.K. is uncertain.

 

Let us all just be optimist.

 

[luckyluke]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

we don't appreciate the EU's lack of integrity during the process and we have long memories.

 

Some, if not many, have this perception.

 

As some, if not many, don't put the integrity of the E.U. in question.

[JonnyF]

58 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Some, if not many, have this perception.

 

As some, if not many, don't put the integrity of the E.U. in question.

You seem obsessed with perception.????

 

If a lot of people have that perception then that is all that matters. Whether you perceive it to be correct or not, they still won't buy that BMW/VW or whatever. You can say "Ah but they only didn't buy it because the perceive the EU to have acted in bad faith" but ultimately the sale is gone either way.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its only the UK tourists who will have a problem.

EU tourists will be able to go to those destinations.

1. They won't have a problem to go, they can go if they choose they will just choose not to.

2. Have you been to these Spanish/Greek tourist traps? The only accent you'll hear for days are British ones. Every pub has an English name and they all sell full English breakfasts etc. These places will be like Pattaya during COVID if they are not careful.

 

Still, if the EU wants to teach us a lesson they have to accept the consequences. Well, let me correct that, the European citizens will have to accept the consequences while the EU employees lord it up in their chauffeur driven Benz's to attend their cocktail parties in Brussels.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If he renegades on his stance he is toast at the next election.

Far as I'm concerned he has already lost because of the way he handled corona. He has nothing to lose by walking away.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I'm concerned he has already lost because of the way he handled corona. He has nothing to lose by walking away.

 

If he capitulates he won't make it to the next election IMO. He'll be gone within months.

 

As for Corona, it's not over yet. If the vaccine rollout goes well the UK might be back to normal before the 'success stories' like Thailand have even got started dealing with it.

[Laughing Gravy]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I'm concerned he has already lost because of the way he handled corona. He has nothing to lose by walking away.

I don't think anyone can handle the ever changing Corona/COVID pandemic effectively. You can''t please them all but that just me. But I feel he would be blamed not the Conservative party

 

As for the signing up to a bad deal. It would be the end of him and the conservatives at the next election. Just my humble view.

 

[luckyluke]

Just now, JonnyF said:

You seem obsessed with perception

 

What is right ?, what is wrong ?, what is beautiful ?, what is awful ?, these are perceptions.

 

Buying or not,  can be related to a perception, but usually more related to finance.

 

"BMW is a nice looking car, but I can not afford it"

 

Of course there will be extreme cases on both sides, where the price is irrelevant, 

 

Some Britons won't buy European things anymore, based on principle,

as some Europeans will boycott anything which is British.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I don't think anyone can handle the ever changing Corona/COVID pandemic effectively. You can''t please them all but that just me. But I feel he would be blamed not the Conservative party

 

As for the signing up to a bad deal. It would be the end of him and the conservatives at the next election. Just my humble view.

 

And no deal will also be the end of both.

[luckyluke]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

the European citizens will have to accept the consequences while the EU employees lord it up in their chauffeur driven Benz's to attend their cocktail parties in Brussels.

 

An indeed accurate sad situation,

but not only related to the E.U.,

it is unfortunately common worldwide. 

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[Surelynot]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And no deal will also be the end of both.

I think the Tories will be fairly keen to keep Johnson in post........the brown smelly stuff is going to hit the fan soon.......and they need a fall guy. I can't see the current golden boy Rishi keen to take over until things settle down.

 

Having said that a different 'no-mark' fall guy could be found between now and 2024 before Rishi then steps up to the plate for the GE.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Higher end property values in Frankfurt are rocketing........they know what is coming.....good times.

Some would start think the U.K. did not see the " fish-trap "..spread for them to put foot in ...????

Price for old fashion sovereignty thinking ....1 Januari 2021 ????

 

 

 

[GrandPapillon]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And incidentally, ‘zero hour contracts’ are a product of UK laws allowing zero hour contracts, nothing at all to do with the EU.

please let's not argue with facts, they are irrelevant in Brexit discussions ????

[CharlieH]

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[david555]

Business
Morgan Stanley to Shift $120 Billion of Assets to Germany
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/morgan-stanley-to-shift-about-120-billion-of-assets-to-germany
By Steven Arons
December 10, 2020, 6:11 PM GMT+7 Updated on December 10, 2020, 7:59 PM GMT+7

Morgan Stanley plans to move about 100 billion euros ($120 billion) of assets to Frankfurt, the latest Wall Street bank to shift business away from the U.K.

 

The U.S. lender expects to transfer the bulk of the assets in the first quarter of next year, when the transition period for Britain’s exit from the European Union will likely have elapsed, people familiar with the matter said. They will sit in the Frankfurt-based subsidiary Morgan Stanley Europe SE, the people said, asking not to be named discussing private information.

A spokeswoman for Morgan Stanley declined to comment.

[RuamRudy]

[RayC]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Well, he's kept 50% of the bargain.

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Australian terms.....why do they persist in trying that on......although I guess it works with stupid people.

Not with the Aussies.

 

“It’s our third-biggest trading partner collectively, because it’s such a big economy, but there are very big barriers to Australian exports of agricultural products in particular. There’s a lot of friction in the system in terms of services.”

“So be careful what you wish for,” he added. “Australia’s relationship with the EU is not one, from a trade point, that Britain would want, frankly.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-australia-no-deal-boris-johnson-malcolm-turnbull-b1769742.html

[sandyf]

13 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

The UK needs to leave the EU, period. There is no negotiation. They could be like Turkey, a EU partner without being one ????

The UK does not want to be like Turkey, they are in a customs union with the EU.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The UK does not want to be like Turkey, they are in a customs union with the EU.

Up to 31 December midnight only  .....unless miracle happens ????

Edited December 11, 2020 by david555

[Kwasaki]

14 hours ago, Loiner said:

You can chose between Barnier, Ursula, or any of the EU. They’re all as bad. 

Boris has given them enough chances, now it’s time to walk away No Deal. 

I wouldn't bother with this thread it like a remainers loser thread with comments that will be known until UK is really out. 

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Up to 31 December midnight only  .....unless miracle happens ????

I wasn't aware that the EU - Turkey customs union would come to an end this month.

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

If we leave on Australian terms many would say that is a "great deal" certainly better than what the EU are offering at the moment. No deal is better than a bad deal.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I wasn't aware that the EU - Turkey customs union would come to an end this month.

Oh you got me on a twist .... did not knew you are a Turkey fan ????...., of course i meant the U.K. (as you knew for sure ...???? )

Edited December 11, 2020 by david555

[sandyf]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 Boris should have just walked away soon as he became PM.

Walking away was always a delusion.

Whether you like it or not the UK will have no option but to make contingency deals with the EU.

Apart from the obvious transport arrangements that need to be made, do you really want Bojo to walk away from the security issues, or does sovereignty take priority over security?

50/50 or ask a friend.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Walking away was always a delusion.

Whether you like it or not the UK will have no option but to make contingency deals with the EU.

Apart from the obvious transport arrangements that need to be made, do you really want Bojo to walk away from the security issues, or does sovereignty take priority over security?

50/50 or ask a friend.

the EU contingency plan are just proposals nothing more, The UK can accepted them , rejected them or seek amendments

Number 10 has already stated that the fisheries proposal is a non starter in its current form

[david555]

8 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Walking away was always a delusion.

Whether you like it or not the UK will have no option but to make contingency deals with the EU.

Apart from the obvious transport arrangements that need to be made, do you really want Bojo to walk away from the security issues, or does sovereignty take priority over security?

50/50 or ask a friend.

Yes  E.U. would always allow  British airlines to fly Europe ...... possible to the first nearest European airports ????.....as Schiphol / Brussels or Paris ..... and from there step over to other airline to wherever the visa or exempt visa is good for....

 

This of course only in worst case scenario ...???? (tong in cheek guy's .... so dont get upset ...) ????

Edited December 11, 2020 by david555