2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Very quite on here to day.......guess the Brexiteers are relaxing with a G+T in the sunny uplands or herding unicorns.

I think they might have figured out Brexit is the biggest con job since Judas told Jesus they were going to see Nine Inch Nails.

6 hours ago, Tofer said:

I've never yet come across a contract that has the word trust used in any of it's vocabulary.

The old ideal of "My word is my bond" sadly is long defunct.

Would you sign any form of contract with someone who has a history of tearing them up, as you suggested, soon after signing them?

If so, you are a fool.

6 hours ago, Tofer said:

Further more, if the EU don't sign it, it's null and void.

In which case we have to start on a trade agreement all over again. Which considering the hash Frost made of this one would be no bad thing.

But remember, the Withdrawal Agreement was signed and agreed by both sides over a year ago; and Johnson has since threatened several times to break that!

6 hours ago, Tofer said:

The UK's foreign aid programme has, historically, surpassed any of the EU nations commitment.

I do not believe a word of this, especially in regard to Northern Europe countries. 

But I trust you can prove what you are writing here ? 

 

4 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I do not believe a word of this, especially in regard to Northern Europe countries. 

But I trust you can prove what you are writing here ? 

 

Mmmm....think you will find that is a red rag to a bull.......DYOR....555

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Yeah but corona virus..........

Never they say ...but Boris.........???? ????  

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

That was not an answer! It was a statement of where AZ chose to invest their money, not the EU's money, to expand their facilities. Or are you suggesting the EU's late order payment was a direct contribution to the development of the AZ production facilities in Europe? In which case back it up with facts.

So where did they put the €336 million prepayment made in August?

The aim of a prepayment is just that: finance expenses related to the order made, so that the supplier doesn't need to use his own money.

Here's the rule:

18) Social Media content is acceptable in most social forums. However, in factual areas such as news, current affairs and health topics, it cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or government agency, and must include a weblink to the original source.

Your posts from Twitter, YouTube and Facebook will be removed if they are not from credible sources.   Trolling memes will also be removed.  

Since it is getting to be an onerous task to remove all this nonsense, perhaps suspensions will work?  That is up to you.

 

"Exports to EU plunge by £5.6bn in first month since Brexit" and this is just one of the very detrimental self - harm effect effects https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/12/exports-to-eu-plunge-in-first-month-since-brexit-uk-economy

 

Brexit is one thing but the real problem is there 

 

Instead of keeping the benefits of the single market, the UK was taken over by national populists and they imposed an "hostile Brexit". 

 

.. Thus loosing all the benefits of the EU. And complaining about it now. 

 

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The astounding incompetence of the UK government. They had over 4 years to prepare and now look at the result of their negligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer

 

On 3/12/2021 at 4:12 PM, Hi from France said:

the additional british red tape will be fully operational ...in 2022

 

the Telegraph points out some consequences

and, game theory-wise

source : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/11/government-blames-covid-delays-full-uk-customs-checks-eu-goods/

 

 

 

Meanwhile, in the European Parliament 

so we are not even sure the brexit deal signed in December exists at all,

 

ratification has been postponed indefinitely

source : https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-postpone-again-setting-date-to-ratify-brexit-deal/

About the red tape mess at the borders and the inability of the UK to reciprocate with its own red tape before 2022, we have the reason : this is not just software problems,

 

 

the national populists simply failed to recruit the custom agents 

 

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The collapse of Britain’s trade with the EU will continue into the summer after the failure to recruit up to 30,000 customs agents, despite government assurances that normal service has resumed, industry groups have warned.

 

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Delays and confusion at the UK’s ports, which have resulted in 40% of trucks crossing the Channel with empty containers, threatens to put hundreds of small and medium exporters out of business and cost the government millions of pounds in lost trade tariffs.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer

 

 

This leaves the UK in a strange asymmetrical situation since leaving the single market

we impose custom check on British imports, while EU exports in the UK are unimpeded. 

 

 

Here is a timetable of the controls that have already been imposed, and those that are upcoming.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/eight-major-government-u-turns-on-post-brexit-controls

 

On 3/13/2021 at 4:12 AM, Surelynot said:

Trade disruption ‘deeper and longer’ than we thought, says Michael Gove

Oh! If only we had known.......nobody, nobody said a word.........oh well, best get on and just suck it up.

get used to those clowns, they will take the whole kingdom down rather do anything that could renegade their Brexit ideals, including improving the custom process

you really have to hand it to Maybot with her exit plan from the CM, to please the hard core Brexiteers ????

she is more guilty than anyone,

22 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

About the red tape mess at the borders and the inability of the UK to reciprocate with its own red tape before 2022, we have the reason : this is not just software problems,

 

 

the national populists simply failed to recruit the custom agents 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer

 

 

This leaves the UK in a strange asymmetrical situation since leaving the single market

we impose custom check on British imports, while EU exports in the UK are unimpeded. 

 

 

Here is a timetable of the controls that have already been imposed, and those that are upcoming.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/eight-major-government-u-turns-on-post-brexit-controls

 

A quick approximate calculation: at £70,000/Year (full cost incl. Office space, IT, etc...), 30,000 additional employees would cost £2.1 billion/year. If 50,000 as suggested in one article, It's £3.5 billion. Too bad for the NHS!

10 hours ago, bannork said:

The astounding incompetence of the UK government. They had over 4 years to prepare and now look at the result of their negligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer

 

too busy fighting their own ranks for the best Brexit posture,

I think they knew it would be a mess all along, it's simply they don't care what small export businesses are failing

the real fallout will take another 5 years to be felt by the entire British population, by then the UK will be on their knees asking for an IMF bailout

10 hours ago, bannork said:

The astounding incompetence of the UK government. They had over 4 years to prepare and now look at the result of their negligence.

It’s the Remainerism in the government and civil service that wasted so much of the first few years. It’s was, and probably still is, endemic. Until Boris sorted them out, most of them still didn’t believe Brexit would happen, even after the referendum. There are still some that are trying to stymie and usurp Brexit after we have actually left! Like our TVF posters, they would rather snipe and sneer from the sidelines of The Grauniad. 
A sad and sorry bunch. 

17 hours ago, Hi from France said:

...the UK was taken over by national populists...

About time too. The last 40odd years of Europhiles and Globalists didn’t help. Even so, by the 2000s the UK was punching above its weight in many areas. Just think of where we could be now without the EU holding us back. 

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It’s the Remainerism in the government and civil service that wasted so much of the first few years. It’s was, and probably still is, endemic. Until Boris sorted them out, most of them still didn’t believe Brexit would happen, even after the referendum. There are still some that are trying to stymie and usurp Brexit after we have actually left! Like our TVF posters, they would rather snipe and sneer from the sidelines of The Grauniad. 
A sad and sorry bunch. 

So much BS.... it is a good foil to blame the civil service, but it is a bunch of bullocks.   The government sets the direction and policy and the civil service carries it out.  If the civil service is given no clear direction or contradictory direction or just plain told there are no funds for it... then it does not get carried out. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/the-observer-view-on-the-grim-effects-of-brexit-being-impossible-to-hide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

If at all possible....I would love for one of the stalwart Brexiteers to debunk this article, allowing me to sleep easier tonight.

19 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/the-observer-view-on-the-grim-effects-of-brexit-being-impossible-to-hide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

If at all possible....I would love for one of the stalwart Brexiteers to debunk this article, allowing me to sleep easier tonight.

Just teething problems as this thread subject indicates... as soon as UK is completely toothless things will improve...

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

So much BS.... it is a good foil to blame the civil service, but it is a bunch of bullocks.   
 

An idealistic view of what happens in the world, so by and large the same bunch of what is keeping your ears apart. 

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

 

If at all possible....I would love for one of the stalwart Brexiteers to debunk this article, allowing me to sleep easier tonight.

Coming from The Grauniad, it is self-debunking.
If it gives gentle readers nightmares, you shouldn’t read it. You could hide it on the top shelf, or remember mother’s advice to not be scared because the bogey man is not real. 
Sweet dreams. 

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

It’s the Remainerism in the government and civil service that wasted so much of the first few years. It’s was, and probably still is, endemic. Until Boris sorted them out, most of them still didn’t believe Brexit would happen, even after the referendum. There are still some that are trying to stymie and usurp Brexit after we have actually left! Like our TVF posters, they would rather snipe and sneer from the sidelines of The Grauniad. 
A sad and sorry bunch. 

As a "servant of the crown" for 25 years I am not aware of a single person who gave a stuff about policy......they are just there to enact........trying to pin any blame on the civil service employees, at any level, is pure politics and totally unfounded.

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/the-observer-view-on-the-grim-effects-of-brexit-being-impossible-to-hide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

If at all possible....I would love for one of the stalwart Brexiteers to debunk this article, allowing me to sleep easier tonight.

See Loiner's reaction, they'll just ignore and pretend all is fine, or better would be fine if not for those pesky remainers sabotaging.

22 minutes ago, stevenl said:

See Loiner's reaction, they'll just ignore and pretend all is fine, or better would be fine if not for those pesky remainers sabotaging.

The bloody remainer fifth column! ????

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

About the red tape mess at the borders and the inability of the UK to reciprocate with its own red tape before 2022, we have the reason : this is not just software problems,

 

 

the national populists simply failed to recruit the custom agents 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer

 

 

This leaves the UK in a strange asymmetrical situation since leaving the single market

we impose custom check on British imports, while EU exports in the UK are unimpeded. 

 

 

Here is a timetable of the controls that have already been imposed, and those that are upcoming.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/13/eight-major-government-u-turns-on-post-brexit-controls

 

You don't understand. The government was getting ready for a no-deal situation, not for  deal situation! ????

If we leave without a deal, the Brexit readiness report includes details of the Government’s work to make sure that citizens and businesses are ready for Brexit on 31 October.

"The report also sets out the preparation underway to ensure that goods continue to flow smoothly across the UK and EU border after Brexit, with measures in place and information given to traders, businesses and hauliers on what they need to do to prepare before 31 October."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/no-deal-readiness-report

 

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

As a "servant of the crown" for 25 years I am not aware of a single person who gave a stuff about policy......they are just there to enact........trying to pin any blame on the civil service employees, at any level, is pure politics and totally unfounded.

"servant of the crown" for 25 years, and now an ardent Remainer. Sounds typical.

Civil servants work at the highest levels and were instrumental in the first few years of foot dragging. Fortunately, Boris eventually empowered some of them to actually enact a full and proper Brexit. Some of them are still plotting and scheming how to resist it though.

3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Love the Guardian disclaimer when you click on their stories ????

For 2021, we commit to another year of high-impact reporting that can counter misinformation and offer an authoritative, trustworthy source of news for everyone. With no shareholders or billionaire owner, we set our own agenda and provide truth-seeking journalism that’s free from commercial and political influence. When it’s never mattered more, we can investigate and challenge without fear or favour.

Unlike many others, we have maintained our choice: to keep Guardian journalism open for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay. We do this because we believe in information equality, where everyone deserves to read accurate news and thoughtful analysis. Greater numbers of people are staying well-informed on world events, and being inspired to take meaningful action.

In the last year alone, we offered readers a comprehensive, international perspective on critical events – from the Black Lives Matter protests, to the US presidential election, Brexit, and the ongoing pandemic. We enhanced our reputation for urgent, powerful reporting on the climate emergency, and made the decision to reject advertising from fossil fuel companies, divest from the oil and gas industries, and set a course to achieve net zero emissions by 2030.

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Yeah I did donate last year. 

A world-class newspaper with full free access this is quite unique. How lucky the Brits are.. 

 

Now back to Brexit, the latest says it all

When the British people narrowly voted to leave the EU they did not give a mandate to wreck relationship with Europe in such a way. 

 

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When the British people narrowly voted to leave the EU in 2016, they did not give the government a mandate to wreck our economic and political relationship with Europe. When Boris Johnson won the general election in 2019, he was expected to forge workable new arrangements with the UK’s largest trading partner, not allow exporters to be strangled by red tape and ruinous extra costs. Nor was he given a green light to break legally binding promises.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/the-observer-view-on-the-grim-effects-of-brexit-being-impossible-to-hide

3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Love the Guardian disclaimer when you click on their stories ????

For 2021, we commit to another year of high-impact reporting that can counter misinformation and offer an authoritative, trustworthy source of news for everyone. With no shareholders or billionaire owner, we set our own agenda and provide truth-seeking journalism that’s free from commercial and political influence. When it’s never mattered more, we can investigate and challenge without fear or favour.

Unlike many others, we have maintained our choice: to keep Guardian journalism open for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay. We do this because we believe in information equality, where everyone deserves to read accurate news and thoughtful analysis. Greater numbers of people are staying well-informed on world events, and being inspired to take meaningful action.

In the last year alone, we offered readers a comprehensive, international perspective on critical events – from the Black Lives Matter protests, to the US presidential election, Brexit, and the ongoing pandemic. We enhanced our reputation for urgent, powerful reporting on the climate emergency, and made the decision to reject advertising from fossil fuel companies, divest from the oil and gas industries, and set a course to achieve net zero emissions by 2030.

If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. You can power Guardian journalism and help sustain our future. Support the Guardian from as little as €1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you.

You'd prefer them to be behind a paywall like, for example, The Telegraph, Times, New Statesman?

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

"servant of the crown" for 25 years, and now an ardent Remainer. Sounds typical.

Civil servants work at the highest levels and were instrumental in the first few years of foot dragging. Fortunately, Boris eventually empowered some of them to actually enact a full and proper Brexit. Some of them are still plotting and scheming how to resist it though.

Always someone else's fault. Its not that you voted for a completely stupid idea. Oh no. Everyone else has caused the utopian dream to fail.

Johnsons Brexit is a complete and utter shambles. We get daily confirmation of that. Even our much lauded trade deals are only temporary extensions of what we had in the EU and our customs facilities are STILL not ready for it. 350 million a week for the NHS? The customs costs are going to be more than that.

Fish? Oh yeah that totemic symbol of Brexit. Another temporary deal and the fishermen cant sell the stuff they catch. Little sympathy for them though given they were all ardent Brexiteers. Maybe Farage can organise another fleet in the Thames trying to offload spider crabs to plucky patriotic Brexiteers for a fiver a tonne.

Good luck getting passporting rights for the City of London. The EU is going to take that business. Thats a massive loss in revenue.

Global Britain? Dont make us laugh.

The UK is now consigned to being an insignificant nation that no-one trusts or indeed needs. And when I say the UK I mean the Peoples Democratic Kingdom of Brexitland because Scotland, Northern Ireland and possibly Wales will all be for the off.

Still. You knew what you were voting for eh?

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Was there any point to this post? Was it simply to point out you prefer news outlets controlled by rightwing, selfish billionaires?

actually it was the other way around, them being spot on on the state of journalism in the UK, they are being owned by billionaires with a political agenda ????

the fact that they state it as such, blatantly, is unusual for the mainstream press

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Always someone else's fault. Its not that you voted for a completely stupid idea.

If you’re still talking early delays, yes still Remainers fault. 
Brexit as an overall principle for the UK is still a great idea and we’re still loving it.