Thailand approves Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine

[khunpeer]

11 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Put me in line coach.  Que number 1.

yep, same for me! it will be after June that we can expect it!

I wonder what the price for farangs will be!

[pseudorabies]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Do some research on credible sites.  You'll find the answers.  In the end, if you're bashing someone like Fauci for this, you're got bad information.  Get a better source for your news.

The assumption here is that people on the right want accurate information.  That they want to make informed, objective decisions.  They don't.  They only want information that fits their pre-existing views. In this case it's to demonize a very popular expert, far more popular and credible than Trump, who knows more than them and publicly disagreed with Dear Leader.

Fauci, like all good scientists, adjusted his views as new empirical data became available.  This type of thinking is foreign to people on the right.  Their way, especially for their leaders, is to never admit or learn from mistakes.  Keep on doing the same thing over and over again even if it fails every time (like trickle-down economics).  Reasonable and true explanations have been given repeatedly on these right wing talking points yet they still get spouted by the Trump faithful.

[darksidedog]

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[chilli42]

10 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

The thing about the J&J vaccine is it's marketed as single shot but it seems to be less effective than one shot of the Astrazeneca vaccine. I'm all for as many vaccines as possible but this one doesn't magically achieve in one shot what the others do in two.

Based on what is being slowly uncovered in the original clinical and the more recent US clinical, the AZ vaccine looks far less efficacious than originally thought.  Additionally, as more is learned about all of the vaccines it appears that they mainly work to mitigate symptoms but not necessarily the virus.  In this regard the J&J vaccine is very effective against severe and moderate infection symptoms.  

[joe jadore]

10 hours ago, starky said:

Look I love Thailand but when they saying things like we have done 100 000 so far. In the same time period that the UK has given single doses to 27 million people. That the main drive won't start till JUNE 3 months from now and they only expect half the population to be vaccinated by years end? Pretty ordinary when the UK is doing what 800k a day the US will hit 100 million in less than 100 days ...who cares if they approved j & j if they have no plan to use, develop or inject into anyone. Where in the OP does it say anyrhing about Thailand buying, producing or vaccinating anyone with the j&j vaccine?

I agree, LOVE Thailand, but giddy up Government, Thais are struggling to survive, so many shops, business's gone out of business. Way way too slow, buy the darn vaccines and inject everyone, ASAP!

[chilli42]

43 minutes ago, hioctane said:

 

mRNA is not exactly brand new. It has been around for over 10 years and have not been used because they were still studying long term effects like most traditional vaccines/medications. The only way to test long term is with time. It has been fast tracked due to dire circumstances.

Correct that it’s been around for 10 years.  It’s also correct to say that the Covid vaccine Moderna have developed does not have adequate long term safety data.  Also true that it was approved knowing this as there were few other options at the time.  Knowing this, there are other vaccine options that use more well known vaccine technology.  

[Guderian]

Do any of the private hospitals actually have stocks of the Western vaccines yet, or is it just more pipe-dreaming?

[meechai]

10 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

The thing about the J&J vaccine is it's marketed as single shot but it seems to be less effective than one shot of the Astrazeneca vaccine. I'm all for as many vaccines as possible but this one doesn't magically achieve in one shot what the others do in two.

 

Not really it is actually quite close with many benefits besides the single dose

#1 it is the well tolerated virus vector, vaccine rather than the mRNA type that while seemingly doing well really has a short track record

with some new techniques like coding a molecule injecting it into your body which is then given instructions then it supposedly deletes itself??

 

But ... the J&J vaccine has 72% overall efficacy and 86% efficacy against severe disease in the U.S. Which is dang good actually

 

Compared to say the mRNA Pfizer or Moderna  which have a reported 94-95% efficiency

 

The one I personally like the sound of (if I am ever required to vaccinate to travel) is the Novavax

"While the Novavax vaccine is still being studied, early trials have shown no adverse events"

 

Read about it & a short list of the others here at Yale Medicine

Very good short article

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

 

[pseudorabies]

32 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Based on what is being slowly uncovered in the original clinical and the more recent US clinical, the AZ vaccine looks far less efficacious than originally thought.  Additionally, as more is learned about all of the vaccines it appears that they mainly work to mitigate symptoms but not necessarily the virus.  In this regard the J&J vaccine is very effective against severe and moderate infection symptoms.  

I think that analysis of all the relevant data showed only a 5-8 percentage point drop from the prior efficacy numbers.  Still good IMO and I'd take the vaccine if it ever becomes available in the LoS.

What's disturbing is all these unforced errors by their clinical team (which may be pressured from the top).  It's unusual for a large pharmaceutical to make these types and volume of "mistakes" and makes me wonder how much influence their academic partners have in the process.  I think it's a good vaccine.  But I also think it's been a textbook case in how not to conduct a clinical trial.  People in pharma will still be talking about this for the next decade at least.

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Do any of the private hospitals actually have stocks of the Western vaccines yet, or is it just more pipe-dreaming?

I believe they are sending out questionnaires to determine how much they may need to obtain to meet the demand.  I had one such request from BNH checking to see if I needed a vaccination.  Taking a survey is what they are doing.

[Bkktodd]

11 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

The thing about the J&J vaccine is it's marketed as single shot but it seems to be less effective than one shot of the Astrazeneca vaccine. I'm all for as many vaccines as possible but this one doesn't magically achieve in one shot what the others do in two.

76-78% effective apparently...this and other vaccines are designed to save you for going to the hospital and dying

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, hioctane said:

Simple, compare how many vaccinated got infected, hospitaized and/or died with those without the vaccine. Undoubtedly, it will be much less with those that are vaccinated.

 

It remains to be seen how are the antibody levels are after 90 days. The data should be coming out any day now since most large quantity  vaccinations started around January.

 Hoping to see that data/analysis soon and keeping my fingers crossed the effectiveness period is much longer than 90 days, but also realizing longer-term very possibly needs a booster.

[LNKDES1]

1 hour ago, khunpeer said:

yep, same for me! it will be after June that we can expect it!

I wonder what the price for farangs will be!

Does the cost really matter? I'd just like to have a vaccination card so I'd be able to exit the country in case of a family emergency and be able to return.

[Nanaplaza666]

11 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

The thing about the J&J vaccine is it's marketed as single shot but it seems to be less effective than one shot of the Astrazeneca vaccine. I'm all for as many vaccines as possible but this one doesn't magically achieve in one shot what the others do in two.

It may not but if it's effective enough and you can help 20milj people with 20milj shots and not just 10milj people with 20milj shots that's a win win in my book . Sign me up and i am dutch by the way so that's a win win win ????

[ThailandRyan]

56 minutes ago, Bkktodd said:

76-78% effective apparently...this and other vaccines are designed to save you for going to the hospital and dying

In the rest of the world even after having the vaccine and then being infected you can ride it out at home.  Here in Thailand I am sure they will still make you spend your time clearing the virus in the hospital just like they currently do.  However, if they are going to waive quarantine for those that have been vaccinated, what happens when they test positive upon trying to return from whence they came.  Can of worms and a hurdle we have not even gotten to yet.  However, I do see it possibly happening.  If and when that happens and they lock everything down instead of just treating it as a nothing burger .......well I hate to speculate.

[John Drake]

Good. I'll start reminding my doctor I want J&J on my visit to him next Wednesday. AZ looks like a mess, constantly submitting dodgy trials results, Pfizer had some people fall dead when they used it, Moderna cost an arm and a leg, and the Russians and the Chinese could be putting rat poison in theirs for all anybody knows, as they refuse to make documentation available.

[vandeventer]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

In the rest of the world even after having the vaccine and then being infected you can ride it out at home.  Here in Thailand I am sure they will still make you spend your time clearing the virus in the hospital just like they currently do.  However, if they are going to waive quarantine for those that have been vaccinated, what happens when they test positive upon trying to return from whence they came.  Can of worms and a hurdle we have not even gotten to yet.  However, I do see it possibly happening.  If and when that happens and they lock everything down instead of just treating it as a nothing burger .......well I hate to speculate.

If you are planning a trip to China you will need a Chinese vaccine or they will put you threw the hoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvFgPXUJUsg

 

[Xonax]

Don´t keep your hopes too high.  J&J is currently having massive delivery problems in Europe!

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Xonax said:

Don´t keep your hopes too high.  J&J is having massive delivery problems in Europe!

Not delivery problems, supply problems.  Just like all the other manufacturers.  They can't make enough.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

If you are planning a trip to China you will need a Chinese vaccine or they will put you threw the hoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvFgPXUJUsg

 

Wowsers

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Anutin Charnvirankul told reporters the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had approved the vaccine, in addition to those of AstraZeneca and Sinovac Biotech, which have already been administered in the country.

wonder how the people who received the Sinovac/Biotech vaccine feel, after reading the latest news, did Anutin or Prayut got it    555

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/two-more-deaths-another-nine-temporary-facial-paralysis-cases-after-covid-vaccinations/ar-BB1eWjlX

Two more deaths, another nine temporary facial paralysis cases after Covid vaccinations

[Suradit69]

16 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Put me in line coach.  Que number 1.

Queue, cue and now que. such a difficult language.

[Captain Monday]

18 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

wonder how the people who received the Sinovac/Biotech vaccine feel, after reading the latest news, did Anutin or Prayut got it    555

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/two-more-deaths-another-nine-temporary-facial-paralysis-cases-after-covid-vaccinations/ar-BB1eWjlX

Two more deaths, another nine temporary facial paralysis cases after Covid vaccinations

You know people die all the time? They get unexplained Bells palsy. After surgery or for no reason at all guilane-barr syndrome.

Some people would die if they eat soba noodles . Or tree nuts, or shellfish

 

The vaccines are safe and effective. Just get your jabs! 

[PETERTHEEATER]

Not quite awake my brain translated the headline as:

 

Johnson approves Thailand’s  Covid vaccine

 

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[chiman]

16 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

The thing about the J&J vaccine is it's marketed as single shot but it seems to be less effective than one shot of the Astrazeneca vaccine. I'm all for as many vaccines as possible but this one doesn't magically achieve in one shot what the others do in two.

I am pretty sure JJ is doing a second 3rd phase trial now with 2 shots?  Still more effective than the Flu shot and will save lives.  

 

Moderna is going thru the process with Thai FDA now, thats a different ball park at 90% + 

[Letseng]

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Put me in line coach.  Que number 1.

Might have to wait a long time before they call No.1 considering the scramble for every dose of vaccine and EU rcport ban.

 

[Letseng]

Just now, Letseng said:

Might have to wait a long time before they call No.1 considering the scramble for every dose of vaccine and EU rcport ban.

 

Sorry ... export ban..

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

Absolutely. I'll take any vaccine if it's needed to travel or for public health reasons but if I had the choice it wouldn't be this one. Anyway, they're currently testing to see if two shots are more effective which they almost certainly will be.

Quite. It will be a question of personal perspective but I am with you and travel could well be an issue.

If a vaccine is marketed as a double shot every chance that immigration will require both shots be administered to recognise vaccination, irrespective of effectiveness. Something to consider before planning a trip out of the country.

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[impulse]

13 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

For me ... the vaccine order is;

1. J&J (one dose, simple, less reactogenicity)
2. Either of the two approved mRNA (Pfizer/Moderna). Reactogenicity sucks but efficacy was highest
3. Sinovac
4. Oxford

 

My first choice was the one that was available when my appointment came up to get my shot.    As it is, I'm 11 days after my 2nd, so basically in the clear.  Had I held out for availability of a different jab, I'd still be waiting.  And that's in a country that's administered over 100x as many vaccines as Thailand has.