Yellow Tabien Baan and Pink ID - The Finale

[Crossy]

Yes, my friend has finally got his yellow Tabien Baan and pink ID ???? ???? 

 

He got the call a couple of days back and attended the office yesterday.

 

Tabien Baan was waiting.

 

Pink ID took an hour, mostly occupied by four attempts at taking his thumb prints (we don't have the right ridges or something, maybe a career as a bank robber beckons) and at least three photos. All processed by three lovelies in tight beige uniforms and sexy masks (his description).

 

No charge.

 

The whole story in chronological is listed in the following threads. This is probably the worst case of trying to get these docs, many have reported either total ease, or total impossibility.

 

Maybe he should write a book.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1173283-legalisation-of-uk-marriage-certificate-for-use-in-thailand-any-uk-agents-recommended/

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1173670-translation-and-legalisation-of-uk-documents-recommended-agent/

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1177159-registering-a-uk-marriage-in-thailand-the-ongoing-saga/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1189797-registering-a-uk-marriage-in-thailand-the-madness-continues/

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1208847-obtaining-a-yellow-tabien-baan-the-making-of-an-epic/

 

 

[Neeranam]

An interesting story, thanks for narrating! 

The big question, was it worth it?

 

[Susco]

6 hours ago, Crossy said:

All processed by three lovelies in tight beige uniforms and sexy masks (his description).

 

To me, they all look lovely with their masks, where you see only the eyes, but most of them, when lowering masks to drink or eat, were removed from my bucket list right then.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, Neeranam said:

An interesting story, thanks for narrating! 

The big question, was it worth it?

 

No question, like beauty, in the eye  of the beholder.

[crazykopite]

Going back some 5 years ago they tried to screw me for 20,000 baht to get mine this was in Koh Samui I was very polite and told them where to go . I now have one if I’m correct it cost me 200 baht and is it worth it YES  no more having to go to immigration to get a letter confirming my address discount on the ferry I show it everywhere dentist ,doctors where some charge me the Thai price . I know I can walk into my local car showroom produce it knowing if I want the car on the forecourt I can buy it there and then with no messing about .

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

discount on the ferry

They must be colour blind. Discount is for Thais. 

[The Fugitive]

Very pleased for the gentleman! Thanks for letting us know. It gives hope to others.

[connda]

It took me about 1/2 hour to get a yellow book and less than 15 minutes to get a pink ID from my local Amphur.  I must live in a good Amphur as the Amphur offices and well as our Amphur hospital are highly efficient. 

[joebrown]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

It took me about 1/2 hour to get a yellow book and less than 15 minutes to get a pink ID from my local Amphur.  I must live in a good Amphur as the Amphur offices and well as our Amphur hospital are highly efficient. 

Which Amphur office was that?

[Crossy]

Just now, joebrown said:

Which Amphur office was that?

And how long ago?

[Rinrada]

Got mine last year after finally going /doing the o marriage extension.. That took time since I was married 20 years ago in North London...so a few hoops to jump. Anyway with said paperwork and a visit to the Amphur from our Kam Nan...easy. Lady in charge admitted she had never seen a pink card before since I was the first to request one so ordered a couple up..from assume.. HQ...Vague memory.. cost was either 100 bt...or free...Mai K Jai.

[Rinrada]

Might be worth a read...fio...Pink ID Card for Foreigners in Thailand.. By the Ministerial Regulation of Section 5 of the Civil Registration Act, BE 2534 (1991), as amended by the Civil Registration Act (No.2), BE 2551 (2008), the following definitions shall apply to persons who are Non-Thai nationality;.    https://www.isaanlawyers.com/pink-id-card-for-foreigners-in-thailand/

 

[Crossy]

A post with potential fake news has been removed.

[Rawairat]

Got mine a few years back took about a week for the book and 20 minutes for the card at a different office. My friend called it a refugee card 555

[richard_smith237]

Got mine last year... a few of the usually hoops to jump through (MFA varification of the translation of the notarised copy of my passport and a 1+ month wait for an appointment at the Amphur office).

 

I’m not sure why the Yellow Book and Pink ID is such a debated topic (in other threads), it seems there is some bitterness from those who think they don’t want one. 

 

There seems to have been a lot of threads on this topic recently, is there a growing requirement to have a Yellow Tabien Baan and Pink ID ???

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m not sure why the Yellow Book and Pink ID is such a debated topic (in other threads), it seems there is some bitterness from those who think they don’t want one. 

I can assure you they are not always easy to get. Some Amphoes and Khets try to make it as difficult as possible by asking for things that are not really required. Others will just give you a runaround about what is needed.

The last time we tried we did not even get to point of what was required at that time. The person that did them was not working at that time. Making a wasted 60 km trip was no fun. Then another time of trying when my wife talked to the lady on the phone the day before and she said she would be working and then we got a call about halfway that that she was not working that day.

 

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There seems to have been a lot of threads on this topic recently, is there a growing requirement to have a Yellow Tabien Baan and Pink ID ???

The is no requirement to have them. It is convenient to have them for somethings you need to do but not mandatory.

[The Fugitive]

7 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I can assure you they are not always easy to get. Some Amphoes and Khets try to make it as difficult as possible by asking for things that are not really required. Others will just give you a runaround about what is needed.

The last time we tried we did not even get to point of what was required at that time. The person that did them was not working at that time. Making a wasted 60 km trip was no fun. Then another time of trying when my wife talked to the lady on the phone the day before and she said she would be working and then we got a call about halfway that that she was not working that day.

 

The is no requirement to have them. It is convenient to have them for somethings you need to do but not mandatory.

Thanks for both ubonjoe! My Amphoe insisted that I had to be resident 12 months and legally married to get a yellow book. As we know, neither are the case. After both applied I asked again. Was told they needed another certified copy of my passport (already been to British Embassy for one for marriage) plus birth certificate. I refused to go to Bangkok again and left it there. Since learned that they would have rejected my translated and certified birth certificate because it's an older 'short form' that doesn't have what they desire i.e. my parent's details. A kind ThaiVisa member advised that I can easily request a 'full form' version. Unfortunately, it it headed 'Copy of entry on Birth Register'. The Amphoe see the word 'Copy' and reject it because it's not an original document. You just have to laugh! 

[Tanoshi]

16 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

Thanks for both ubonjoe! My Amphoe insisted that I had to be resident 12 months and legally married to get a yellow book. As we know, neither are the case. After both applied I asked again. Was told they needed another certified copy of my passport (already been to British Embassy for one for marriage) plus birth certificate. I refused to go to Bangkok again and left it there. Since learned that they would have rejected my translated and certified birth certificate because it's an older 'short form' that doesn't have what they desire i.e. my parent's details. A kind ThaiVisa member advised that I can easily request a 'full form' version. Unfortunately, it it headed 'Copy of entry on Birth Register'. The Amphoe see the word 'Copy' and reject it because it's not an original document. You just have to laugh! 

A friend in a remote Amphur had the same issues, played ball and provided everything requested each visit. The final straw was when they stated he needed to own land.

I took him to the Provincial Amphur to make a formal complaint, however they were unable to over rule the decisions of his Amphur, but suspected they were unfamiliar with the process, hence the ridiculous requests.

 

They offered two solutions.

1. Make a formal complaint to the Ombudsman, who has the authority to over rule an Amphurs decision, but it can take time.

2. State he lived at my address and they could add him to my Yellow Tabien Baan, then after 4 weeks apply to change address. They removed him from my book and issued a letter for his Amphur to issue a new book for his (new) address in their Amphur.

Worked a treat, no problem.

Different procedures to apply for a TB in the first instance, than already being registered in a book and obtaining a new one for a different address.

[Maestro]

On 4/1/2021 at 8:20 AM, Rinrada said:

Got mine last year after finally going /doing the o marriage extension.. That took time since I was married 20 years ago in North London...so a few hoops to jump. Anyway with said paperwork and a visit to the Amphur from our Kam Nan...easy. Lady in charge admitted she had never seen a pink card before since I was the first to request one so ordered a couple up..from assume.. HQ...Vague memory.. cost was either 100 bt...or free...Mai K Jai.

 

Congratulations on getting your pink ID card. Do I remember correctly that you relocated to the UK, specifically to London, some years ago? Nice to see you, one of the earliest members of ThaiVisa, back in Thailand.

 

P.S. Your Latin (see your signature) needs some brushing up, but it's nice to see somebody who likes this old language.

[OJAS]

On 4/2/2021 at 9:10 AM, richard_smith237 said:

There seems to have been a lot of threads on this topic recently, is there a growing requirement to have a Yellow Tabien Baan and Pink ID ???

 

As far as I am aware obtaining a yellow tabien baan and pink ID card is only a formal requirement for those intending to apply for permanent residency or Thai citizenship. From my perspective their usefulness would be limited by the fact that neither includes one small, but IMHO vital, piece of information: namely, the date when my current permission to stay in Thailand expires.

[Maestro]

10 hours ago, OJAS said:

 

As far as I am aware obtaining a yellow tabien baan and pink ID card is only a formal requirement for those intending to apply for permanent residency or Thai citizenship. From my perspective their usefulness would be limited by the fact that neither includes one small, but IMHO vital, piece of information: namely, the date when my current permission to stay in Thailand expires.

"Formal requirement" is an imprecise term. There are

• regulatory requirements that are being enforced, either partially or fully, and
• regulatory requirements that are not being enforced

Currently, the yellow house registration book for foreigners is in the former category.

 

The regulatory requirement derives from Section 38 of Civil Registration Act, as amended:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwNib_gx9zYETGFiMkNrXzE1RGM/view?usp=sharing

 

[blackcab]

10 hours ago, OJAS said:

As far as I am aware obtaining a yellow tabien baan and pink ID card is only a formal requirement for those intending to apply for permanent residency or Thai citizenship.

 

Being listed in house book for a minimum of 6 months is also necessary for those applying for a license to possess a firearm. That's slightly academic though as most non-Thai citizens have zero chance of receiving such a license.

[Jeffro008]

On 4/2/2021 at 9:39 AM, ubonjoe said:

I can assure you they are not always easy to get. Some Amphoes and Khets try to make it as difficult as possible by asking for things that are not really required. Others will just give you a runaround about what is needed.

The last time we tried we did not even get to point of what was required at that time. The person that did them was not working at that time. Making a wasted 60 km trip was no fun. Then another time of trying when my wife talked to the lady on the phone the day before and she said she would be working and then we got a call about halfway that that she was not working that day.

 

The is no requirement to have them. It is convenient to have them for somethings you need to do but not mandatory.

 

Yes I agree because what I notice is anywhere I need to show an ID they immediatly take my 5 year Thai Driving License

[Neeranam]

On 4/1/2021 at 6:48 PM, Rinrada said:

Might be worth a read...fio...Pink ID Card for Foreigners in Thailand.. By the Ministerial Regulation of Section 5 of the Civil Registration Act, BE 2534 (1991), as amended by the Civil Registration Act (No.2), BE 2551 (2008), the following definitions shall apply to persons who are Non-Thai nationality;.    https://www.isaanlawyers.com/pink-id-card-for-foreigners-in-thailand/

 

Useful info for some wanting this card. However, the first paragraph on that page is wrong. Thais don't need both housebook and ID to vote, open a bank account, or apply for a job. 

These cards were produced for migrant workers, to keep track of them. This is a requirement, but some farang seem to think it is desirable to have one. 

"These two IDs are needed to transfer land, to vote at elections, to apply for a government job, to open a bank account, etc."

 

 

[Neeranam]

On 4/3/2021 at 9:31 AM, Tanoshi said:

A friend in a remote Amphur had the same issues, played ball and provided everything requested each visit. The final straw was when they stated he needed to own land.

I took him to the Provincial Amphur to make a formal complaint, however they were unable to over rule the decisions of his Amphur, but suspected they were unfamiliar with the process, hence the ridiculous requests.

 

They offered two solutions.

1. Make a formal complaint to the Ombudsman, who has the authority to over rule an Amphurs decision, but it can take time.

2. State he lived at my address and they could add him to my Yellow Tabien Baan, then after 4 weeks apply to change address. They removed him from my book and issued a letter for his Amphur to issue a new book for his (new) address in their Amphur.

Worked a treat, no problem.

Different procedures to apply for a TB in the first instance, than already being registered in a book and obtaining a new one for a different address.

The reason I got a yellow housebook was to apply for Thai citizenship. 

You could tell the townhouse that you need it for this reason and if they don't give you one they are breaking international law.

[simon43]

Ah, so much easier in Laos to get the equivalent of a pink ID card ????

 

When I got my first business visa in Laos, my local ID card was provided as well, without a single document needed, except for my passport and a couple of photos....

[Neeranam]

16 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Ah, so much easier in Laos to get the equivalent of a pink ID card ????

 

When I got my first business visa in Laos, my local ID card was provided as well, without a single document needed, except for my passport and a couple of photos....

Isn't it a requirement there?

[sandyf]

On 4/1/2021 at 10:47 AM, connda said:

It took me about 1/2 hour to get a yellow book and less than 15 minutes to get a pink ID from my local Amphur.  I must live in a good Amphur as the Amphur offices and well as our Amphur hospital are highly efficient. 

When I did my yellow book in 2010 they said a police check had to be done so took about 6 weeks to get the book. When the pink card became available, that was very quick and free.

[Oldie]

Without the Yellow Book you will have to pay property tax if you are owner of a condo. You need the Yellow Book to proof that you live in it to avoid taxation. 

[The Fugitive]

On 4/3/2021 at 3:31 AM, Tanoshi said:

A friend in a remote Amphur had the same issues, played ball and provided everything requested each visit. The final straw was when they stated he needed to own land.

I took him to the Provincial Amphur to make a formal complaint, however they were unable to over rule the decisions of his Amphur, but suspected they were unfamiliar with the process, hence the ridiculous requests.

 

They offered two solutions.

1. Make a formal complaint to the Ombudsman, who has the authority to over rule an Amphurs decision, but it can take time.

2. State he lived at my address and they could add him to my Yellow Tabien Baan, then after 4 weeks apply to change address. They removed him from my book and issued a letter for his Amphur to issue a new book for his (new) address in their Amphur.

Worked a treat, no problem.

Different procedures to apply for a TB in the first instance, than already being registered in a book and obtaining a new one for a different address.

Many thanks for both tips! Never thought about registering myself elsewhere and then transferring to my real address.