Sputnik V, new hope in fight against COVID

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Amdesign said:

I am proven wrong? Where? Clean your eyes man...

It was in TV news that Putin got the vaccine. Also, it was his statement during speech last week on national TV.

 

However, my opponent BkkBrain said that Putin got no Sputnik injection - this is intentional lie.

Better check my response before claiming I'm a liar, I don't expect acknowledgement from you or an apology but everybody can read what I said

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1215106-sputnik-v-new-hope-in-fight-against-covid/?do=findComment&comment=16419586

 

[Jeffr2]

If offered this jab, I'll roll up my sleeve immediately.  No hesitation.

[vandeventer]

14 hours ago, Amdesign said:

They not even approved Sputnik yet for Thailand... ????

https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/

Don't worry they will order it when we run out of the Chinese vaccines. There must be someone or something behind this madness?

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Thai Prime Minister has announced that the Russian government has agreed to a government-to-government deal to sell the Sputnik V (Vee) vaccine to Thailand.

Not one drop in the country yet... this won't save anyones ar*e until it's injected.

Remember the fanfare when Sinovac arrived, flags waving at the airport... achieved diddly-squat.

[vandeventer]

49 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

If offered this jab, I'll roll up my sleeve immediately.  No hesitation.

Your right I think this is one of the best ones out there. I always liked freeze dry coffee now here we have a freeze dry vaccine with very little side effects if any.

[GreasyFingers]

10 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Yes but the common man gets fined 20k

You need to watch the news. First time 6000, second time 12000, third and subsequent 20000.

[Amdesign]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better check my response before claiming I'm a liar, I don't expect acknowledgement from you or an apology but everybody can read what I said

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1215106-sputnik-v-new-hope-in-fight-against-covid/?do=findComment&comment=16419586

 

This is exactly what you have said:

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Whens Vladimir Putin going to take Sputnik? Most country leaders have shown by example, he's missing on the list, wonder why?

This is lie...

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Amdesign said:

This is exactly what you have said:

This is lie...

I already acknowledged the mistake I made in my response as I had been referring to an older article and even added a link to an update article confirming my mistake.

 

"Not my imagination but an older report, yes I see he has but without camera's

 

Coronavirus: Russia's Putin gets vaccine but without cameras March 23rd. Better late than never

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56498847 "

 

If you still think thats a lie then so be it, I'm done with you...............

[brommers]

So we are going to buy a vaccine that the Brazilian vaccine regulator refuses to approve as safe to use. Anvisa is a highly regarded organisation and I would follow their advice before any of the rantings of Anutin or the Thai authorities.

[Jeffr2]

31 minutes ago, brommers said:

So we are going to buy a vaccine that the Brazilian vaccine regulator refuses to approve as safe to use. Anvisa is a highly regarded organisation and I would follow their advice before any of the rantings of Anutin or the Thai authorities.

Here's why they refuse to approve the vaccine.  Same concerns many other countries have.  Lack of data and transparency into the clinical trials.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/brazilian-approval-sputnik-v-vaccine-delayed-by-missing-data-2021-01-17/

 

Brazilian approval of Sputnik V vaccine delayed by missing data

[newnative]

Blah, blah, blah.  Slow, slow, slow.  No vaccines, just 'hope'.  

[Venom]

14 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh ok, first you said it was on tv, now you admit it was off camera, seems like we need to take a little care with what you post. P.S. Nay sayer like me....lol

Maybe you have just been exposed to too much anti Russian propoganda to think straight? Just a guess. 

[klauskunkel]

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Sputnik V, new hope in fight against COVID

I think hope can start when there is enough actual vaccine in the country. Until then these stories are just an effort to deflect the focus on government's ineptitude.

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, Venom said:

Maybe you have just been exposed to too much anti Russian propoganda to think straight? Just a guess. 

keep guessing, law of average states you'll be correct at some point, thats science for you.

[rwill]

It would be nice if we read about actual deals and not just deals to make a deal.

[John Drake]

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Slovakia’s regulator, the State Institute for Drug Control, however, said in a statement that vaccine batches imported into the East European country did “not have the same characteristics and properties” as the version of Sputnik V reviewed by The Lancet.   https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/world/europe/slovakia-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-sputnik.html

 

This is what happens when you take the word of vaccine makers who are under the political direction of dictators. Transparency goes out the window. Lies, deception, and fraud become commonplace. Why would anyone trust vaccines from China and Russia?

[MasterBaker]

Vlad will save the Earth, just like the Independence Day

[Patong2021]

If Sputnik vaccine is so good why is Russia not using it?

Look at the difference between UK and Russia.  Russia was first to announce its vaccine and to start using, but it has really not rolled out its vaccine. It has sold a lot of pre orders, but we see relatively little real world use.

It is a similar construct to Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines, but no reports of blood clot potential.  I do not think it is because the vaccine is perfect. More like the  side effect is covered up.  The real world data is not  as strong as that for Astra Zeneca and J&J.  The blood clot potential of AZ and J&J  vaccine is no longer a serious issue now that the onset and symptoms are identified and there is a quick and effective treatment that can be given. However, with Sputnik, no idea of what may be there or what to do.

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

If Sputnik vaccine is so good why is Russia not using it?

Look at the difference between UK and Russia.  Russia was first to announce its vaccine and to start using, but it has really not rolled out its vaccine. It has sold a lot of pre orders, but we see relatively little real world use.

It is a similar construct to Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines, but no reports of blood clot potential.  I do not think it is because the vaccine is perfect. More like the  side effect is covered up.  The real world data is not  as strong as that for Astra Zeneca and J&J.  The blood clot potential of AZ and J&J  vaccine is no longer a serious issue now that the onset and symptoms are identified and there is a quick and effective treatment that can be given. However, with Sputnik, no idea of what may be there or what to do.

Russia moved forward with this vaccine very aggressively.  China kinda did the same thing.  I guess they call it vaccine diplomacy.  Both Russia and China cut corners and didn't release all the data required.

 

In the end, Russia's jab is fine.  China's is OK, just not as effective.

 

An interesting read:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-are-beating-u-s-vaccine-diplomacy-experts-say-n1262742

 

Russia and China are beating the U.S. at vaccine diplomacy, experts say

Although Beijing and Moscow deny it, experts say they are beginning to see how the strategy of selling or donating their vaccines abroad is allowing them to expand their influence.

[Srikcir]

I'm surprised at the validated efficacy of Sputnik V. compared to Western covid vaccines.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIISO140-6736(21)00191-4pdf

 

[Dmitry2222]

41 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

If Sputnik vaccine is so good why is Russia not using it?

Сompare death rate for example: UK: 189.8, US: 174.2. Russia: 73.0, (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)
Actually Covid-19 not strongly felt in Russia. So, there is not panic about it.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Dmitry2222 said:

Сompare death rate for example: UK: 189.8, US: 174.2. Russia: 73.0, (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)
Actually Covid-19 not strongly felt in Russia. So, there is not panic about it.

It's well known Russia is not reporting the numbers properly.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Dmitry2222 said:

Сompare death rate for example: UK: 189.8, US: 174.2. Russia: 73.0, (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)
Actually Covid-19 not strongly felt in Russia. So, there is not panic about it.

Russia's deputy prime minister has revealed more than 80% of excess deaths this year are linked to Covid-19, which would mean its death toll is three times higher than previously reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55474028

[Dmitry2222]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's well known Russia is not reporting the numbers properly.

With such a train of thought, in general, it makes sense to discuss something? Everything is lie.  ????

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Dmitry2222 said:

With such a train of thought, in general, it makes sense to discuss something? Everything is lie.  ????

Straight from the horse's mouth...so to speak.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4975

 

Covid-19: Russia admits to understating deaths by more than two thirds

 

 

Russia’s claims of an extraordinarily low mortality have been widely dismissed as implausible for months by foreign observers and Russian doctors alike. Every other indicator, from packed hospitals with long lines of ambulances to mortality among health workers documented by their own associations, has painted a picture of a country hit hard by the pandemic, not one miraculously spared.

 

These suspicions were confirmed when the Rosstat statistics agency said on 28 December that the number of deaths from all causes recorded between January and November was 229 700 higher than in 2019. “More than 81% of this increase in mortality over this period is due to covid,” said Golikova. That would mean that more than 186 000 Russians have died from covid-19.

[Amdesign]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Straight from the horse's mouth...so to speak.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4975

 

Covid-19: Russia admits to understating deaths by more than two thirds

 

 

Russia’s claims of an extraordinarily low mortality have been widely dismissed as implausible for months by foreign observers and Russian doctors alike. Every other indicator, from packed hospitals with long lines of ambulances to mortality among health workers documented by their own associations, has painted a picture of a country hit hard by the pandemic, not one miraculously spared.

 

These suspicions were confirmed when the Rosstat statistics agency said on 28 December that the number of deaths from all causes recorded between January and November was 229 700 higher than in 2019. “More than 81% of this increase in mortality over this period is due to covid,” said Golikova. That would mean that more than 186 000 Russians have died from covid-19.

There is no trust to this paper. It refers the 'Doctors’ Alliances', which is foreign-grant NGO in Russia...

[Amdesign]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Which was proven.

Yes, it 'was'. 'Highly likely'... ????

 

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, Amdesign said:

There is no trust to this paper. It refers the 'Doctors’ Alliances', which is foreign-grant NGO in Russia...

 

Yes, everything is a "lie."  Innocent Russia is a victim. Just like when the Slovaks caught them sending out that faulty batch of Sputnik vaccine. What was the Russian response? Did they cease distribution to investigate the claims like AZ did when faced with serious claims about its vaccine's problems? Did they inspect the vaccine production process as J&J did when they encountered problems? Did they try to ensure better safety protocols in manufacturing as both J&J and AZ did. Of course not. They screamed "sabotage!" and demanded the evidence be returned to Russia. Conceal, deny, and threaten. The Russian vaccine MO.

  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russia-cries-sabotage-as-slovak-drug-agency-questions-its-vaccine-1.4533238

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

There is no trust to this paper. It refers the 'Doctors’ Alliances', which is foreign-grant NGO in Russia...

There are dozens of reports out there that say this.  Dozens if not more.  The US has admitted it under counted.  Are you trying to say Russia is accurately reporting the number of cases?  Even they admit they aren't!  Too funny...

[Dmitry2222]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

'Doctors’ Alliances',

This organization has not really practicing doctors.