US expats plead for vaccine help in viral Thailand

[Liverpool Lou]

11 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

if the US is forced to concede to demands and provide vaccinations to it's expat citizens, shouldn't every country be compelled to do the same?

That's for the citizens of each country to decide and really no concern of mine.

Of course, and you're entitled to your lack of concern for anyone who isn't from the US.   

 

Doubtless, though, your sentiments would be reciprocated by every other countries' nationals who don't give a <deleted> about anyone else, either!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 hours ago, frantick said:

Not to turn this political, but notice that letter came from expat 'Democrats'. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

 

Ya, you're mistaken about that....

 

[Democrats Abroad signed an unprecedented joint appeal with its arch-rival Republicans Overseas Thailand, plus the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 12074, and the American Women’s Club of Thailand, addressed to Secretary of State Antony Blinken on May 6.]

 

https://asiatimes.com/2021/05/us-expats-plea-for-vaccine-help-in-viral-thailand/

 

 

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

my point was that if Americans force their government's hand

No need to worry about that

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, bendejo said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

my point was that if Americans force their government's hand

No need to worry about that

I'm not.

[VocalNeal]

Who are these pleading Expats. Non of my mates are the pleading kind?

 

Edited June 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
trolling profanity removed

[oslooskar]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Of course, and you're entitled to your lack of concern for anyone who isn't from the US.   

 

Doubtless, though, your sentiments would be reciprocated by every other countries' nationals who don't give a <deleted> about anyone else, either!

 

Your comment reeks of intellectual dishonesty! ...I did not state or imply that I had no concern for the well-being of others. In fact, I made it perfectly clear that the decision, as to what other governments should be compelled to do for their citizens, was for the citizens of those respective countries to make. Hence, what you decide your government should be compelled to do for you is none of my business and should be no concern of mine.

Edited June 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
flame comment removed

[Liverpool Lou]

13 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

Your comment reeks of intellectual dishonesty! ... I did not state or imply that I had no concern for the well-being of others.

I didn't use the phrase "well-being of" either, your intellectual dishonesty just introduced it now!   You did say that it was "no concern of mine" (yours)...reasonably interpreted as having no concern for them.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[John Drake]

11 hours ago, phills2k1 said:

What's even more astounding is that people in here are acting like Americans are saying we should be moved to the front of whatever any line there is. Now if people in this article were saying Americans should jump to the front of the line once American vaccines enter the fray, I'd be the first one to say how messed up that is.

 

But that's not the case here. It was people saying "it would be nice if the US embassy took care of their citizens overseas. Just like the Brits said in the aforementioned article.  And just like I'm sure most other citizens would like as well.

 

It's an incredibly simple point that's lost and being ridiculously misconstrued by so many here (although I would assume it's done so intentionally by many), solely because they get to feed whatever anti-American sentiments they've been harboring for so long

 

Every now and then there is a topic like this about Americans and their embassy. And for some reason several other nationalities come into it and rage and fume about Americans and what we want our country to do. It doesn't even affect them. And, in fact, the English have an entire forum and three sub-forums solely devoted to their consular affairs. But manyl come here to complain. Same thing in the Home Country Forum. There are far more English than Americans in Thailand and perhaps an equal number of Australians. But look at that forum. The English/Europe forum has half as many posts as the North American one and Australian Pacific one has only as third as much. Many go instead to rant and rave in the North American Home Forum. I rarely post in the English topics because it seems 1) to comment with what amounts to trolling when you don't have enough knowledge to contribute and 2) I don't care about their problems. But they sure seem to care about ours.

[oslooskar]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

reasonably interpreted as having no concern for them.

 

You've just got an axe to grind and we both know it.

[frantick]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, you're mistaken about that....

 

[Democrats Abroad signed an unprecedented joint appeal with its arch-rival Republicans Overseas Thailand, plus the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 12074, and the American Women’s Club of Thailand, addressed to Secretary of State Antony Blinken on May 6.]

 

https://asiatimes.com/2021/05/us-expats-plea-for-vaccine-help-in-viral-thailand/

 

 

Guess I should've read the whole article. Vets I'm all for, same as I'm for their ability to get Tricare. 

 

I guess I'm just one of the odd balls wanting little attention from my government.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Excerpt of the sample letter prepared for U.S. citizens abroad to send to their legislators making key points that have already been voiced here in prior posts, but apparently ignored by some.

 

"Flying back to the US and then returning to a 14-day hotel quarantine in Thailand is simply not an affordable option for many, and the risk of infection on the trip itself is not inconsequential. Medical issues and time off work and away from family are also limiting factors for many.  In addition, Americans returning from outbreak sites like Thailand, India or elsewhere to the US solely for vaccination creates potential for the spread of infection and new variants in the country.

 

The US State Department has already sent vaccines across the world to inoculate their staff and family members, and veterans in Manila have been vaccinated by the VA clinic there. The Biden Administration has also proposed that the US vaccinate South Korean soldiers and that surplus vaccine supplies be donated overseas. I would ask that you advocate for the 9 million Americans living overseas be included in the plans to provide vaccination directly or through the donation of supplies to countries, like Thailand, where so many Americans live."

 

https://www.democratsabroad.org/th_news

 

[phills2k1]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Every now and then there is a topic like this about Americans and their embassy. And for some reason several other nationalities come into it and rage and fume about Americans and what we want our country to do. It doesn't even affect them. And, in fact, the English have an entire forum and three sub-forums solely devoted to their consular affairs. But manyl come here to complain. Same thing in the Home Country Forum. There are far more English than Americans in Thailand and perhaps an equal number of Australians. But look at that forum. The English/Europe forum has half as many posts as the North American one and Australian Pacific one has only as third as much. Many go instead to rant and rave in the North American Home Forum. I rarely post in the English topics because it seems 1) to comment with what amounts to trolling when you don't have enough knowledge to contribute and 2) I don't care about their problems. But they sure seem to care about ours.

Have only been reading / posting since December, so I appreciate the color.  Pretty much affirmed everything I had assumed about the people in this thread

 

And since they all know you're correct but don't have the stones to admit it (or even risk getting into a discussion about it), I assume this is where the thread ends

 

To think, all of this because a blog put up an article about an unknown number of expats requesting that their embassy would help them out in the middle of a pandemic. If this is how sensitive the anti-US crew is, I can't WAIT to see them when they actually have something legit to criticize

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Well well... whatdya know...  Things are perhaps getting interesting....

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And someone in the photo there is probably saying under their mask... "Ya, but what I'm REALLY interested in is a bunch more tanks and a few spare submarines if you've got any available!!!"  ????

 

 

[Mike k]

42 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And someone in the photo there is probably saying under their mask... "Ya, but what I'm REALLY interested in is a bunch more tanks and a few spare submarines if you've got any available!!!"  ????

 

 

Well the navy did just get some Chinese tanks 

[placnx]

23 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Excerpt of the sample letter prepared for U.S. citizens abroad to send to their legislators making key points that have already been voiced here in prior posts, but apparently ignored by some.

 

"Flying back to the US and then returning to a 14-day hotel quarantine in Thailand is simply not an affordable option for many, and the risk of infection on the trip itself is not inconsequential. Medical issues and time off work and away from family are also limiting factors for many.  In addition, Americans returning from outbreak sites like Thailand, India or elsewhere to the US solely for vaccination creates potential for the spread of infection and new variants in the country.

 

The US State Department has already sent vaccines across the world to inoculate their staff and family members, and veterans in Manila have been vaccinated by the VA clinic there. The Biden Administration has also proposed that the US vaccinate South Korean soldiers and that surplus vaccine supplies be donated overseas. I would ask that you advocate for the 9 million Americans living overseas be included in the plans to provide vaccination directly or through the donation of supplies to countries, like Thailand, where so many Americans live."

 

https://www.democratsabroad.org/th_news

 

This really seems to be overreach. It should be clear that 9 million are in urgent need of vaccination. Why not reword this to be countries where US citizens cannot get vaccinated with US-approved vaccines in the foreseeable future while being threatened with several variants seeming more dangerous than the UK variant. Further, among the low-hanging fruit is Thailand where there are US facilities and good transportation nationwide.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In the news today, U.S. announced an international vaccine distribution plan, which to start, is gonna divide 7 million doses about 16 different Asian countries/jurisdictions, including Thailand -- among others elsewhere in the world.  Not seeing a specific breakdown of amount by country among the Asian recipient countries as yet.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/06/03/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-unveils-strategy-for-global-vaccine-sharing-announcing-allocation-plan-for-the-first-25-million-doses-to-be-shared-globally/

 

"Approximately 7 million for Asia to the following countries and entities:  India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Maldives, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Papua New Guinea, Taiwan, and the Pacific Islands."

 

Still unresolved what the U.S. is going to do with an additional 60 million doses of the AZ vaccine produced at a J&J subcontractor plant that was shut down for manufacturing errors. The feds are trying to determine whether the AS doses produced there are safe and uncontaminated to allow them to be donated.

 

[yogavnture]

On 5/31/2021 at 10:05 PM, John Drake said:

 

I guess there are a lot of bitter people who have left Thailand because they couldn't hack it.

or they wanted to leave. i think i will believe me over you if thats ok

[rwill]

and here is the answer:  “We have not historically provided private health care for Americans living overseas, so that remains our policy,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters last month.

 

American expats push for access to coronavirus vaccines, raising questions about international equity (msn.com)

[mberbae]

If the Thai Government refused the Australian request, it plausibly refused other

Countries as well. Why let Foreign Embassies import 90+% effective vaccines

when China is offering 50% effective vaccines ?  Saving Face, of course.

[sqwakvfr]

This American(who is well known) posted a video of himself, Thai wife and son traveling from Bangkok to Los Angeles on ANA.  Mark Wiens is a Bangkok based youtube blogger who has been very successful.  Wiens stated he is going to the US "to visit family" but I'm certain he and the family will make time to get vaccinated as well.  I was curious about this ANA Flight (NH 806) because I will be on this flight in the new future.  

 

First Time Traveling Since Pandemic!! ???? ANA Business Class FOOD REVIEW!! - YouTube

 

[Tony125]

On 5/31/2021 at 12:45 PM, vinny41 said:

its time TVF members think about the full picture of a vaccine rollout not just the vaccine

If the embassies were to provide vaccines, they would also be required to provide full infrastructure, doctors, nurses, field hospitals to implement a vaccine rollout including providing support facilities if someone develops compilations symptoms from receiving the vaccine.

They wouldn't be allowed to overload the Thai medical infrastructure with the own vaccine rollout program

And the embassies know that as a similar scenario wouldn't be permitted in their own countries by a foreign government

US senators call for vaccinating Americans who are living abroad

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-senators-call-for-vaccinating-americans-who-are-living-abroad/ar-AALpA0R?li=BBnb7Kz

[placnx]

4 hours ago, Tony125 said:

US senators call for vaccinating Americans who are living abroad

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-senators-call-for-vaccinating-americans-who-are-living-abroad/ar-AALpA0R?li=BBnb7Kz

Presumably US and other countries could piggyback on the system set up for French citizens.