Doctors sound alarm over plan to reopen borders by October

[webfact]

 

By Erich Parpart

 

Doctors on Thursday slammed the government’s plan to reopen Thailand within the next 120 days.

 

“To reopen while knowing that people inside the country have yet to comprehensively receive good vaccines is like climbing a mountain at night without a light,” Dr Thira Woratanarat, Chulalongkorn University’s professor of medicine, wrote on his social media page on Thursday.

 

According to the Health Ministry’s Immunization Center, 4.95 million people have received their first dose as of June 15. Thailand’s population is 69 million.

 

Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/28676/doctors-sound-alarm-over-plan-to-reopen-borders-by-october/

 

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[BobinBKK]

I think the "fully vaccinated tourists" have more to be worried about than the local population... There is no "quality" vaccine being offered for free in Thailand. Locals stand a better chance going to Uncle Tu Pu's grandmothers hut and swinging a dead chicken around in the air.

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[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, webfact said:

“To reopen while knowing that people inside the country have yet to comprehensively receive good vaccines is like climbing a mountain at night without a light,”

That comment says more than one can imagine.  The deep analogy should cut a swath across this governments vision as it makes it very plain to see how idiotic the PM is in his view.

[sapson]

Tested less than 10% of the population over the last year and declared Thailand virtually free of covid!

 

Now have vaccines plans only..... not reality for less than 30% and they want to open up the country.

 

Sadly total negligence and the whole sorry bunch should be slammed right out of their fiasco of government!

[mtls2005]

Looking forward to the interractions between fully vaccinated tourists, going maskless, loudly bragging about how they are fully vaccinated with the best vaccines, for free, while the serfs wait on them.

 

 

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

According to the Health Ministry’s Immunization Center, 4.95 million people have received their first dose as of June 15.

What's the point of quoting number of folk that have received first jab.

What's the number that have received both shots.

[The Cipher]

We keep hearing the opinions of folks trained as doctors about the response to Covid like it's solely an individual health issue.

 

But could it maybe be that Covid is actually a mutlifacted big data problem that requires a nuanced response with complex tradeoffs? And perhaps that maximization of lives saved might actually not be the optimal macro response to the pandemic? ????

[RichardColeman]

 

7 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

What's the point of quoting number of folk that have received first jab.

With 3% efficacy of the Chinese gunk from first jab, pretty pointless !

[Excel]

4.95 million have received their 1st dose ?  More lies I suspect, just name them

[wensiensheng]

8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Looking forward to the interractions between fully vaccinated tourists, going maskless, loudly bragging about how they are fully vaccinated with the best vaccines, for free, while the serfs wait on them.

 

 

And what’s to stop local farang from mingling right along with those fully vaccinated tourists?

 

Until you hear the deathly words……paaapers pliz 

[rasmus5150]

I think the Thai government is hoping that US and many European countries will have finished vaccinating in 2 months.

And then Thailand can receive an enormous amount of vaccines, and finish vaccinating in the remaining 2 months ????

23 minutes ago, webfact said:

“To reopen while knowing that people inside the country have yet to comprehensively receive good vaccines is like climbing a mountain at night without a light,”

More like driving down a mountain, with no brakes.

[wensiensheng]

2 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

We keep hearing the opinions of folks trained as doctors about the response to Covid like it's solely an individual health issue.

 

But could it maybe be that Covid is actually a mutlifacted big data problem that requires a nuanced response with complex tradeoffs? And perhaps that maximization of lives saved might actually not be the optimal macro response to the pandemic? ????

Yup, anyway, now that’s cleared up, first beers are on me. ????

[ikke1959]

Dear doctors, don't worry The Delta virus will help to put this stupid plan away... More infections will come the coming weeks

[rasmus5150]

1 minute ago, Excel said:

4.95 million have received their 1st dose ?  More lies I suspect, just name them

Eeehhhh.....

Somchai

Dang

Nui

Dam

Nook

Moo

Pim

 

Do you really need all??..??..??.. ????

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

But could it maybe be that Covid is actually a mutlifacted big data problem that requires a nuanced response with complex tradeoffs?

 

If it is we're completely hosed.

 

Thaland/nuanced. Yikes.

 

 

But thanks for that word-salad of a postulation. About as useful as my non-existent first dose.

 

 

[The Cipher]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

But thanks for that word-salad of a postulation. About as useful as my non-existent first dose.

 

Hm. I guess a piece of useful advice would be that while it is definitely a good idea to get vaccinated, there's no point worrying about it or letting it affect you on a day to day basis.

 

It's easy to forget that "my immune system will handle it" is a valid response for ~99% of people who even catch Covid. There's some degree of risk to living a worthwhile life. Always has been.

 

 

[Phuketshrew]

14 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Until you hear the deathly words……paaapers pliz 

In Phuket I think it is "You, Party!!", "You, Party!!"

[smedly]

Thailand has made a total shambles of pretty much everything covid, those at the the top being more and more exposed as incompetant fools by the day. They are clutching at straws trying to cover up the mess they have made.

 

So going forward what needs to happen 

 

1. Put people in charge that know what they are doing 

 

2. Get everyone in the country fully vaccinated with an Effective Vaccine

 

3. Dip into the huge claimed foreign reserves they are supposed to have and support the people with an effective furlough scheme for as long as it is needed.

 

4. Set out a plan for late 2022 that gradually opens up the country to foreign tourists without all the quarantine tracking testing nonsense 

 

Of course all the above depends on a lot of things with this virus and future mutations and vaccine efficacy going forward 

 

 

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, The Cipher said:

Hm. I guess a piece of useful advice would be that while it is definitely a good idea to get vaccinated, there's no point worrying about it or letting it affect you on a day to day basis.

 

It's easy to forget that "my immune system will handle it" is a valid response for ~99% of people who even catch Covid. There's some degree of risk to living a worthwhile life. Always has been.

 

Not sure we have a choice,

 

 

short of getting on a plane while we can. Soon we won't be able to travel because we're unvaccinated or have the wrong vaccine, or have just one dose.

 

 

But thank you for your sage advice. ????

 

[ezzra]

Me think that a dying economy and not a brass razu from tourism will trump any warning from doctors...

[Guderian]

40 minutes ago, webfact said:

To reopen while knowing that people inside the country have yet to comprehensively receive good vaccines is like climbing a mountain at night without a light

 

Heck, why beat around the bush, just say that it's utter stupidity and drop the daft metaphors!

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

It's easy to forget that "my immune system will handle it" is a valid response for ~99% of people who even catch Covid. There's some degree of risk to living a worthwhile life. Always has been.

I don't like the odds... 1.5-2.5% of those infected in other countries die. Many get something called long Covid... doesn't sound good. And many have unpleasant symptoms ... it nearly killed the UK PM. 

 

[Sundew Giggleglow]

43 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

 Locals stand a better chance going to Uncle Tu Pu's grandmothers hut and swinging a dead chicken around in the air.

 

Sundew will tell you, that swinging a live chicken makes a lot of noise, a big mess, and is not recommended.

[poskat]

there comes a point, which may have already been passed, where keeping out the people who account for at least 20% of the GDP, and the closures of other parts of the economy that people in the lower economic class depend on becomes more important than the number of people who die from covid.

 

Its all well and good for the educated class and their work from home jobs whose salaries have remained intact, and the covid-associated lockdowns have been at worst an inconvenience, but for people who cant pay for basic life necessities,  the situation is dire and more a matter of life and death than from covid itself.

 

perhaps the government could spend more time trying to get any vaccine available worldwide in country, rather than limiting them to those that profit them.

 

thailand being declared open while most of the population remains unvaccinated wont bring in the tourist dollars, pounds, or euros because no tourists will want to come here to be exposed to the dirty potentially virus-infected thai people

[Sundew Giggleglow]

8 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

Heck, why beat around the bush, just say that it's utter stupidity and drop the daft metaphors!

 

You can say that again.

[RichardColeman]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I don't like the odds... 1.5-2.5% of those infected in other countries die. Many get something called long Covid... doesn't sound good. And many have unpleasant symptoms ... it nearly killed the UK PM. 

 

Really ? I think the odds are mostly with you. Unless you are 85 up, obese. a heavy smoker, heart conditions, cancer or generally unfit. Numbers below were up to June last year - clearly near 90% of deaths are people with other issues - which would mean if you are healthy you had 0.15 to 0.25 chance of death !

 

• With pre-existing condition: England and Wales - 45,859
• With pre-existing condition: England - 43,640
• With pre-existing condition: Wales -- 2156
• No pre-existing condition: England and Wales - 4476
• No pre-existing condition: England - 4169
• No pre-existing condition: Wales - 294

 

 

 

[Excel]

Just now, poskat said:

there comes a point, which may have already been passed, where keeping out the people who account for at least 20% of the GDP, and the closures of other parts of the economy that people in the lower economic class depend on becomes more important than the number of people who die from covid.

 

Its all well and good for the educated class and their work from home jobs whose salaries have remained intact, and the covid-associated lockdowns have been at worst an inconvenience, but for people who cant pay for basic life necessities,  the situation is dire and more a matter of life and death than from covid itself.

 

perhaps the government could spend more time trying to get any vaccine available worldwide in country, rather than limiting them to those that profit them.

 

thailand being declared open while most of the population remains unvaccinated wont bring in the tourist dollars, pounds, or euros because no tourists will want to come here to be exposed to the dirty potentially virus-infected thai people

I would add though that your description that "no tourists will want to come here to be exposed to the dirty potentially virus-infected thai people" is grossly unfair to most of the Thai people. They do not want to be cast in that light and hate the government  and those that keep them in power for putting them in that position, as the administration  is effectively denying them the passport for a bill of clean health by deliberately ensuring that they will not be vaccinated.

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, RichardColeman said:

Really ? I think the odds are mostly with you.

I am not here to discuss my current state of health with you, it is not your business. I said, I do not like the odds.....

[chalawaan]

So this announcement tells us one thing, that the crew cut cronies have all been vaxxed -or will be by then- and the rest of the "kwai" can go to hell on a Honda click.

[bkk6060]

The UK is almost 50% fully vaccinated and sadly have rising cases causing another 4 weeks of lockdown.

This place is dreaming so out of touch.