13 hours ago, Scott said:

Polio was not a 'savage killer of children'. 

 

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/dave-helling/article253422239.html

 

Please don't post false information or information that is deliberately misleading. 

Of course polio was a savage killer of children. As that article you linked to points out, it was a childhood disease, known as 'infantile paralysis' that killed predominantly children. It killed thousands of them each year, and the way it killed them was decidedly savage.

 

In addition, it paralyzed tens of thousands - again, almost all children. Polio has always been recognised as one of the most savage childhood diseases known to man.

31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are lying now, by omitting the key factor that vaccines stop infection and transmission significantly.

 

If everyone were vaccinated, Covid would disappear. The more people vaccinated, the less the virus spreads.

 

Please stop trying to keep the virus alive.

And you stop trying to jab kids with a substance which hasn't been fully studied or approved for them. Get a grip.

34 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

lockdown to prevent medical system being overwhelmed.

isolating the vulnerable old/  unfit / abusers would have done that

again I ask At What Cost ?…..that massive decision should have gone to Argument & Referendum

elected reps. failing pop. yet again…… like with unvoted mass immigration…..and unvoted EU political & legal alignment pre- Brexit……. lack of proper Test Trace Isolate pre- covid knowing pandemic inevitable……

 

The world’s leading epidemiologists disagree with you.

 

I’m not sure what triggered your digression into immigration, the EU, Brexit, please don’t explain your off topic ranting is enough already.

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

And you stop trying to jab kids with a substance which hasn't been fully studied or approved for them. Get a grip.

Who here is injecting kids with anything?

Do coronavirus vaccines prevent transmission of the virus?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus/ar-AAPsEfu?li=BBnb7Kz

Johnson & Johnson recipients may benefit from a booster, but perhaps a different shot, new data suggests

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/johnson-and-johnson-recipients-may-benefit-from-a-booster-but-perhaps-a-different-shot-new-data-suggests/ar-AAPtyYG?li=BBnb7Kz

43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

And you stop trying to jab kids with a substance which hasn't been fully studied or approved for them. Get a grip.

The vaccines and specifically Pfizer are tested on children with Pfizer the only one fully approved for those between 12 and up.

 

Clearance for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11 could come in early November, officials say, as outreach to states on rollout begins

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/clearance-for-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-in-children-ages-5-to-11-could-come-in-early-november-officials-say-as-outreach-to-states-on-rollout-begins/ar-AAPtDoU?li=BBnb7Kz

90,000 deaths since June were preventable with vaccination; US to reopen land borders to vaccinated tourists: COVID-19 updates

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/90000-deaths-since-june-were-preventable-with-vaccination-us-to-reopen-land-borders-to-vaccinated-tourists-covid-19-updates/ar-AAPs0Ff?li=BBnb7Kz

25 minutes ago, BangkokBaksida said:

This is absolutely false.  You just have to look at the situation in highly vaccinated countries such as Israel and Singapore to know that this is false.  Those infection levels in those highly vaccinated countries are higher than ever.  The vaccines DO NOT stop the transmission of the virus, and therefore even vaccinating everybody will not stop the spread.  The manufacturers of the vaccines even admit that.  At best, the manufacturers claim that the vaccines will reduce your symptoms when you catch the virus.  But they don't even really do that, as many vaccinated people still end up in hospital and many still die.

 

So exactly what are you protected against if your vaccine only works if I get vaccinated too?  And how do you think that a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the virus is going to stop the spread of the virus once everybody gets it?

Do coronavirus vaccines prevent transmission of the virus?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus/ar-AAPsEfu?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The findings showed that both vaccines reduced transmission, but that the Pfizer vaccine was the most effective in doing so.

“The findings showed that both ( AZ & Pfizer) vaccines reduced transmission, but that the Pfizer vaccine was the most effective in doing so.” Right, I’ll selfishly stay with and recommend AZ with its highest protection ( near 100%) against Delta Death ( Pfizer around 96%).

13 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“The findings showed that both ( AZ & Pfizer) vaccines reduced transmission, but that the Pfizer vaccine was the most effective in doing so.” Right, I’ll selfishly stay with and recommend AZ with its highest protection ( near 100%) against Delta Death ( Pfizer around 96%).

Whatever best motivates you, and if it motivates you to recommend vaccination to others all the better.

 

Welcome onboard.

 

 

Below link shows what vaccines are approved for entrance to USA

 

 

Foreign travelers with COVID-19 vaccines approved by FDA, WHO can enter the US in November

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-travelers-covid-19-vaccines-143813283.html

I think everybody should vax. It's a new decade of illness we're living in, better be prepared

 

7 hours ago, 2009 said:

I think adults should be vaccinated and the at risk people first.

 

What's this got to do with children?

 

You think we should push through younger children being vaccinated more quickly without proper care and precautions?

 

Honestly, if even 1 child dies of blood clotting syndrome from a vaccine they didn't need (for themselves) then I think that is far worse than 1 million 60+ aged people dying naturally of covid.

 

Or would you trade 1 child's life for a few elders' lives? And shouldn't the elders have been vaccinated already to protect themselves?

 

It isn't about empathy here, mate. It is about rationality and logic. Also, ETHICS.

 

Some people are showing a blatant disregard for the safety of children, just so (I suspect) they can get back to enjoying their retirement sucking beers in the beer bars.

You've got to be kidding. I sure hope. What a terrible post. Stunning you'd throw 1mm elderly under the bus like that. Incredible. Especially since it'd be possible a bunch of them got the virus from unvaccinated children.

 

Wow....

5 hours ago, 2009 said:

They are this when vaccinated too. Adults are this when vaccinated too.

 

The vaccines don't stop us getting covid and transmitting it. They don't stop the virus mutating either.

 

The vaccines simply help our own body fight it so that we experience mild symptoms, rather than death.

 

 

You really don't understand this virus nor the vaccines. Incredible.

Anyone hesitaant or against vax should read below article.

 

I keep seeing patients who are still too afraid of getting the COVID-19 vaccine: Doctor

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/keep-seeing-patients-still-too-090338558.html

3 hours ago, BangkokBaksida said:

This is absolutely false.  You just have to look at the situation in highly vaccinated countries such as Israel and Singapore to know that this is false.  Those infection levels in those highly vaccinated countries are higher than ever.  The vaccines DO NOT stop the transmission of the virus, and therefore even vaccinating everybody will not stop the spread.  The manufacturers of the vaccines even admit that.  At best, the manufacturers claim that the vaccines will reduce your symptoms when you catch the virus.  But they don't even really do that, as many vaccinated people still end up in hospital and many still die.

 

So exactly what are you protected against if your vaccine only works if I get vaccinated too?  And how do you think that a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the virus is going to stop the spread of the virus once everybody gets it?

Israel's situation is used by anti vax and covid deniers. It's being used out of context.

 

In the end, the vaccines work and are our best way out of this mess.

6 hours ago, 2009 said:

Utter nonsense.

 

Covid will be with us forever, regardless of vaccines, just like influenza.

Just like the Spanish flu? 

 

You do know that influenza strains disappear over time. 

4 hours ago, BangkokBaksida said:

This is absolutely false.  You just have to look at the situation in highly vaccinated countries such as Israel and Singapore to know that this is false.  Those infection levels in those highly vaccinated countries are higher than ever.  The vaccines DO NOT stop the transmission of the virus, and therefore even vaccinating everybody will not stop the spread.  The manufacturers of the vaccines even admit that.  At best, the manufacturers claim that the vaccines will reduce your symptoms when you catch the virus.  But they don't even really do that, as many vaccinated people still end up in hospital and many still die.

 

So exactly what are you protected against if your vaccine only works if I get vaccinated too?  And how do you think that a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the virus is going to stop the spread of the virus once everybody gets it?

I love people who say "absolutely false"  and then lie. 

 

Israel is NOT at an all time high for cases:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

 

More to the point, I said if everyone were vaccinated, the virus would go away. Israel is far from 100% vaccinated. And you can see the impact of increasing vaccination levels in Israel on case numbers. 

 

Vaccination reduces cases. 

 

Having said that, Singapore is a mess because they dropped restrictions too soon. 

 

9 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“ Caring for others” has been crassly applied to whole populations without “caring” about the fittest (except vax).Massive Societal & Economic Damage. To protect 0.03% pop. of very old and self abusers. Political Liberal BS.

And the unlucky who were dealt a bad hand like type 1 diabetes or cancer sufferers. Does that fall under the category of "political liberal BS" as well?

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

And you stop trying to jab kids with a substance which hasn't been fully studied or approved for them. Get a grip.

Nobody is vaccinating kids until clinical trials are complete. 

7 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

lockdown to prevent medical system being overwhelmed.

isolating the vulnerable old/  unfit / abusers would have done that

again I ask At What Cost ?…..that massive decision should have gone to Argument & Referendum

elected reps. failing pop. yet again…… like with unvoted mass immigration…..and unvoted EU political & legal alignment pre- Brexit……. lack of proper Test Trace Isolate pre- covid knowing pandemic inevitable……

 

Exactly how do you isolate / the old/ unfit/ abusers? Who's going to provide care for them? Robots?

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You've got to be kidding. I sure hope. What a terrible post. Stunning you'd throw 1mm elderly under the bus like that. Incredible. Especially since it'd be possible a bunch of them got the virus from unvaccinated children.

 

Wow....

And it's just as possible they got it from vaccinated adults. Please stop the scare mongering. Vaxx your kids if you like.

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

And it's just as possible they got it from vaccinated adults. Please stop the scare mongering. Vaxx your kids if you like.

It's a fact that unvaccinated kids spread the virus. I am sorry if that is an unpleasant fact for you. 

 

Over 700,000 dead in the US from the Covid plague. We are way past scare mongering, anyone not scared is a little off. 

There has been a fair amount of either unsubstantiated or misleading information posted.  Leeway has been given because Covid is still relatively new and vaccines are certainly new, but a few points need to be clarified. 

 

First, vaccines do prevent infection from Covid.  Breakthrough cases are still the exception.  If you do get a breakthrough infection, you will almost always fare better than an unvaccinated person.  You will be infectious.  

 

Second, the mRNA vaccines are not experimental.  They are fully approved for certain groups.   mRNA technology has been around since the 90s and in the early 2000s it was used in human trials for a number of vaccines.  From those trials there is absolutely no reason to believe there is any long-term effect.   For those who are hesitant to take a new vaccine, there are traditional ones available.

At this juncture, the odds of defeating Covid look bleak, however, historically we have been fairly successful at eradicating or severely curtailing diseases as long as there isn't a vector species that is capable of harboring and reintroducing the virus.  Much of the attempt to find the origins of the disease is to answer this question.  The virus is 94 or 96 similar to what is known in bats, but is it the same?  Diseases like smallpox and polio exist only in people.  If Covid is the same then it is possible to eliminate it.  

Any group that isn't vaccinated or isolated from the general population is a risk for continuing the spread.  This includes children.

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Nobody is vaccinating kids until clinical trials are complete. 

Kids are being vaccinated in US and Thailand. Pfizer has full FDA approval and is the only vax in US approved for kids 12 and up. They are going for certification  to use on 5  to 11 year  olds next  month. Pfizer is also being given here in Thailand for kids 12 and up. My 14 yo nephew and 15 yo niece are getting Pfizer shots tommorow, Friday  10/15 in Kow Yai.

9 hours ago, 2009 said:

Utter nonsense.

 

Covid will be with us forever, regardless of vaccines, just like influenza.

Wouldn't that be great if it was just like influenza.

7 hours ago, BangkokBaksida said:

This is absolutely false.  You just have to look at the situation in highly vaccinated countries such as Israel and Singapore to know that this is false.  Those infection levels in those highly vaccinated countries are higher than ever.  The vaccines DO NOT stop the transmission of the virus, and therefore even vaccinating everybody will not stop the spread.  The manufacturers of the vaccines even admit that.  At best, the manufacturers claim that the vaccines will reduce your symptoms when you catch the virus.  But they don't even really do that, as many vaccinated people still end up in hospital and many still die.

 

So exactly what are you protected against if your vaccine only works if I get vaccinated too?  And how do you think that a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the virus is going to stop the spread of the virus once everybody gets it?

This article was shared by Tony125, and indicates that vaccines reduce transmission, in contradiction to your pontificating.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus/ar-AAPsEfu?li=BBnb7Kz

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

This article was shared by Tony125, and indicates that vaccines reduce transmission, in contradiction to your pontificating.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus/ar-AAPsEfu?li=BBnb7Kz

Do you even read what you post? 

Quote from the article: 

"The study also found that the protection the vaccines offer against transmission wanes over time.

Three months after having the AstraZeneca vaccine, those who had breakthrough infections were just as likely to spread the Delta variant as the unvaccinated."

 

So, unless you're getting jabs every three months, well, think for yourself if you can. 

 

But, in your defense, the study isn't peer-reviewed like all of you always demand of us freedom fighters, so it's fake news for now. 

 

Also new data coming out of the UK showing higher case counts per 100,000 vaccinated vs 100,000 unvaccinated. I don't have a link ATM. I have no argument about severity, as still higher in unvaccinated. But infection trending in support of vaccine mandates being unnecessary. 

10 minutes ago, frantick said:

Do you even read what you post? 

Quote from the article: 

"The study also found that the protection the vaccines offer against transmission wanes over time.

Three months after having the AstraZeneca vaccine, those who had breakthrough infections were just as likely to spread the Delta variant as the unvaccinated."

 

So, unless you're getting jabs every three months, well, think for yourself if you can. 

 

But, in your defense, the study isn't peer-reviewed like all of you always demand of us freedom fighters, so it's fake news for now. 

 

Also new data coming out of the UK showing higher case counts per 100,000 vaccinated vs 100,000 unvaccinated. I don't have a link ATM. I have no argument about severity, as still higher in unvacinated. But infection trending in support of vaccine mandates being unnecessary. 

Missing link from above. Last two columns page 13. Actually indicates vaccinated more harmful to the unvaccinated. 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf