10 minutes ago, sucit said:

Daily cases in the US for example are spiking. The vaccine has been being administered for months.

Just to follow up on my previous post with some statistics from an NPR article:

 

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More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.

U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'

11 minutes ago, sucit said:

Daily cases in the US for example are spiking. The vaccine has been being administered for months. 
 

I don’t have a solution I just find it odd more people aren’t speaking about this.

 

I believe the mechanism is probably people get comfortable after they get the vaccine, they can finally relax. And bam. 
 

I think every country is going to have to go through a post vaccination wave. Can cross fingers after that.
 

Thailand is just entering its initial wave. 

Yes, but the USA is like two different countries. Some states are heavily vaccinated. Some very lightly vaccinated. I believe the spike is mainly in the unvaccinated states. Might be wrong, but that makes logical sense to me.

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

So beginning of August will see the 20,000 per day and projecting the beginning of Sept will see 30,000. Tomorrow sees Thailand move into the 600,000's of infections and by September this will be the 700,000's. Once again these are official numbers and I agree with others that ART's now seem to be part of a massive coverup. Prayut tells politicians they should use sound judgement. Do as I say not as I do. What a fool. 

Thailand has a similar population to the UK. The highest daily infection rate in the UK was 81,505 (29 Dec 2020). So, at around 18,000, Thailand is still way behind that (if their numbers are true!?).

4 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Absolutely awful. This Indian variant has been horrific. 

 

Out of all this i still don't understand how the virus entered Thailand - is it safe to assume the borders were never secure at any point? The unstable situation in India and Myanmar was probably the route into Thailand. Surely those borders should have been manned with the military. 

Thailand isn't a island . Even guarding the borders very strict can lead to a contact here or there . There's also fisherman , aircraft personnel , and all kinds of goods transported over borders 100% legal . It sounds easy to close the borders but it isn't at all . When enough persons are infected in countries nearby , and you aren't a island , then it's nearly impossible to keep the virus outside .

5 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Yes, but the USA is like two different countries. Some states are heavily vaccinated. Some very lightly vaccinated. I believe the spike is mainly in the unvaccinated states. Might be wrong, but that makes logical sense to me.

You're not wrong. As the NBC article below states:

 

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data shows that the biggest increases are in states that are lagging behind in vaccinations.

Covid cases are rising in the states with low vaccination rates

3 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

Thailand has a similar population to the UK. The highest daily infection rate in the UK was 81,505 (29 Dec 2020). So, at around 18,000, Thailand is still way behind that (if their numbers are true!?).

Testing in the UK far exceeded what Thailand is doing. 

17 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

Thailand has a similar population to the UK. The highest daily infection rate in the UK was 81,505 (29 Dec 2020). So, at around 18,000, Thailand is still way behind that (if their numbers are true!?).

Well, Thailand’s numbers aren’t true, I think that is fairly certain, and it’s fact that less testing is done in Thailand. So Thailand’s numbers are undercounted somewhat.

 

but you are missing the big point by just looking at cases. The UK has far higher vaccinations, therefore no matter that the cases are higher than Thailand, hospitalizations and deaths are much lower.

 

the UK is in a different phase of the pandemic.

16 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Yes, but as the commonly used expression has it, this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

 

Vaccinated people are probably transmitting to unvaccinated. I am not sure what that means wrt your theory

Just now, GroveHillWanderer said:

You're not wrong. As the NBC article below states:

 

Covid cases are rising in the states with low vaccination rates

As Dr Fauci stated, with COVID19, the USA has one problem, and 50 different solutions (50 states).

1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You're not wrong. As the NBC article below states:

 

Covid cases are rising in the states with low vaccination rates

Well I had to get it right sometime 5555

2 minutes ago, sucit said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

And none of them died, and very few were hospitalized (meaning few had serious symptoms). You're repeating the same inferred misinformation.

 

4 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

Thailand has a similar population to the UK. The highest daily infection rate in the UK was 81,505 (29 Dec 2020). So, at around 18,000, Thailand is still way behind that (if their numbers are true!?).

Thailand testing is way behind . Specialists over here ( Belgium ) said a few months ago that they were thinking that they knew 1/10 infected in the start of pandemic (march-june 2020 ) and after with much better testing in late 2020 they thought they had 1/3 of infected persons . That is with lot of testing and in a big wave . That is also why WHO states the 5% rate of testing/positive is a max limit for a wave to be under control or not . Anything above 5% positives means , you miss way too much people who do have it .

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And none of them died, and very few were hospitalized. You're repeating the same inferred misinformation.

 

What did I say that was misinformation?

Attention CHIANG MAI folks!

 

This is the local vaccination opportunity for people who have previously registered that the government mentioned in yesterday's news briefing.

 

"Stay tuned. Today and tomorrow SMS messages will go out from Chiang Mai Public Health Office to notify registered non-Thai nationals of vaccination appointments at McCormick Hospital. The vaccinations will start on Monday and vaccination times will be from 12.00 - 15.00 daily. 200 persons will be vaccinated per day."

 

https://www.facebook.com/covid.int.cm/posts/355086819391046

 

 

4 minutes ago, sucit said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

 

Vaccinated people are probably transmitting to unvaccinated. I am not sure what that means wrt your theory

I think it means this:

 

if unvaccinated it’s highly likely you might get infected with Delta and pass it on and a low percentage of people will need to be hospitalized and a lower percentage will die.

 

if vaccinated it is still possible to be infected and pass it on and a very low percentage of people will need hospitalization and virtually nobody will die.

 

conclusion. It is better to be vaccinated.

2 minutes ago, sucit said:

What did I say that was misinformation?

Your posts are inferring that vaccines aren't effective. They are effective at preventing serious illness and death, even with the Delta variant.

 

5 minutes ago, sezze said:

Thailand testing is way behind . Specialists over here ( Belgium ) said a few months ago that they were thinking that they knew 1/10 infected in the start of pandemic (march-june 2020 ) and after with much better testing in late 2020 they thought they had 1/3 of infected persons . That is with lot of testing and in a big wave . That is also why WHO states the 5% rate of testing/positive is a max limit for a wave to be under control or not . Anything above 5% positives means , you miss way too much people who do have it .

It seems like there are 1001 variables when it comes to COVID19 and stats.

57 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

And those that are have a Vaccine coursing through them that drops off in effectiveness after 45 days to below 60% of its strength.

Not true - the drop off is in the level of antibodies. Antibodies alone are not an accurate measure of efficacy.

 

Not just antibodies: B cells and T cells mediate immunity to COVID-19

I stopped very long ago believing any other numbers as government says I wanna know is where and when can I get the vaccine TIT

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Your posts are inferring that vaccines aren't effective. They are effective at preventing serious illness and death, even with the Delta variant.

 

Maybe you are reading too much into my posts?

 

I said infections are rising. Considering half the us population is vaccinated, why would cases be rising. Why would they not be falling?
 

What you call  misinformation folks like me call a good question. 

8 minutes ago, sucit said:

What did I say that was misinformation?

The overall inference of your post was that vaccines don’t work. You do not explicitly say that, which is probably why it is still there. But there is a clear inference to the USA spike in cases meaning that vaccines do nothing. That isn’t the case and, in fact, across several posts you do clarify yourself a bit.

 

I think what you were trying to warn about (apologies if I have it wrong), is that despite vaccinations, there may well be a post vaccination wave of cases.
 

In fact, that is already happening in some countries, UK, USA, but critically, hospitalizations and deaths are much much lower than if vaccination rates were lower. You missed out this second bit which caused a kickback.

Thailand tomorrow is gonna crack the 600,000 total reported/official COVID cases mark (597,287 today).

 

Today passed the 200,000 current / active official cases mark for the first time at 200,510.

 

 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Australia with 13.5% double jabbed is looking at April I think it is to have 70% fully jabbed. Australia is also getting in 10's of millions of jabs including enough for boosters. Thailand is still < 6% fully vacced. 

Expectations are 70% by end of year. Current outbreak is causing a surge in the previously hesitant or no rush crowd to go and get vaccinated but still a lot of hesitancy over AZ. 
case numbers still rising despite hard lockdown. 
1000 police manning ring of steel around the city to prevent repeat of last week’s protests Have 10 BMW highway patrol cars around the corner stopping all city bound vehicles. 
Army is now door knocking all positive cases daily to make sure they are home after several caught going to work etc knowing they were positive. 
They are throwing every available resource at it. But I’m not confident you can fully conquer delta once it’s out. 

1 minute ago, sucit said:

Maybe you are reading too much into my posts?

 

I said infections are rising. Considering half the us population is vaccinated, why would cases be rising. Why would they not be falling?
 

What you call  misinformation folks like me call a good question. 

I think this has been said several times. Infections are rising because of the arrival of the Delta variant. Even vaccinated people can catch it and pass it on. They are however very very much less likely to be hospitalized or die than if they were unvaccinated.

 

I think this should be clear by now unless you are sealioning.

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

You missed out this second bit which caused a kickback.

He consciously and deliberately avoids mentioning / acknowledging that (effectiveness at preventing serious illness and deaths) every time...

 

Thus, not wasting my breath any more...  ????

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

He consciously and deliberately avoids mentioning / acknowledging that (effectiveness at preventing serious illness and deaths) every time...

 

Thus, not wasting my breath any more...  ????

 

Yeah, sealioning is the phrase that comes to mind. Had a point, mis explained himself, ignores information provided, just goes on about the original point in isolation. Now resorting to ill defined general comments. Abuse will be next.

10 minutes ago, sucit said:

Maybe you are reading too much into my posts?

 

I said infections are rising. Considering half the us population is vaccinated, why would cases be rising. Why would they not be falling?
 

What you call  misinformation folks like me call a good question. 

Very simple, there are still over 100 million unvaccinated individuals in the USA. That’s a pretty big pool of victims.

38 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

1. It is misinformation to say that previous infection counts for nothing. It clearly does. However, it does not preclude reinfection.

 

2. I saw nothing in the now removed post alluding to natural immunity. It did have some extrapolation of theories based on the misconception that vaccines are primarily designed to stop infection. By not understanding the primary benefit conferred by vaccines, what came after was tainted fruit.

 

you do realize that in your first sentence you say that natural immunity is given zero credit for some reason. You then go on to say in a later sentence that infection counts for nothing. You seem to be tying yourself in knots for some unknown reason.

My point about in the UK that prior infection counts for nothing is related to the domestic vaccine passports that seem to be on the way in there.    Someone in their 20s, who is confirmed to have had covid and who had a mild or asymptomatic infection will not be allowed to go to a nightclub in September there unless vaccinated - so in that case prior infection counts for nothing.

 

Yes, naturally immunity does not preclude reinfection, but of the very small number of people that have managed to catch it twice, I don't think there are any that died or had a more severe illness than they did the first time.   On that basis alone I do not know why prior infection is not at least given equal weight to the vaccines.    In a country that quite frankly does not have enough vaccines then anyone who has 'recovered' from the virus should not be given it until at least everybody else has been vaccinated, and those recovered should be given the same status as someone vaccinated if 'unvaccinated' people are excluded from certain activities.   That was my point I was trying to make I think.    

#COVID19 #Thailand update on Saturday:

 

18,912 new cases (+10 from abroad)

178 new deaths

200,510 patients in care

4,691 in ICU and 1,032 on ventilators

10,750 discharged from care

 

TOTAL (since 2020): 597,287 infected, 391,920 discharged & 4,857 dead

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1421347324299669509

 

 

31 minutes ago, sucit said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

 

Vaccinated people are probably transmitting to unvaccinated. I am not sure what that means wrt your theory

The small number of vaccinated individuals who suffer breakthrough infections indeed can infect others.

 

Virtually all unvaccinated and infected individuals can infect others.

 

Do you understand the difference between “small number” and “virtually all”?