Have any of you teachers received the ultimatum yet?

[walailak]

19 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

No, I am not planning on travelling soon. At some point, like all pandemics in human history, this will end.  I am going to bide my time. Australia has just recognised Sinovac. I am doing it to keep up with what will likely happen within 2 months.....Boosters are being debated. It seems they may only be required for a certain percentage. My parents are in Australia. If they have to come here for a visit sometime in the next 2 years because I am not allowed, so be it. This situation is evolving. I am just trying to do what I can in the circumstances. 

Hi, you mentioned Australia has just recognised Sinovac?

Could you please give me a link for that? 

Last week I spent hours on the phone to AIR(REGISTER) and then healh NSW only to be told not yet! 

Thank you 

[sometimewoodworker]

23 minutes ago, Guffman said:

I renewed visa and work permit a couple of weeks ago. I filled in the work permit application and gave it back to the hr woman. She then asked me if I had the Mor Prom app. I said no. Why would she ask that? I'm guessing they're going to make it a requirement for a work permit. Maybe next year sometime once the majority of people have had 2 shots. Just speculation on my part, but I can see it happening.

The Mor Prom app is not the only way to prove vaccination status. My vaccination certification will not show up on it though it is on the MoPH database. So letting the HR department know that the MorProm is not definitive next time you chat may be useful.

 

I can certainly see a reason for anyone in education to be required to prove vaccination, I’m not sure that the labour department (work permit) should or would police that unless it becomes a general requirement.

[248900_1469958220]

24 minutes ago, walailak said:

Hi, you mentioned Australia has just recognised Sinovac?

Could you please give me a link for that? 

Last week I spent hours on the phone to AIR(REGISTER) and then healh NSW only to be told not yet! 

Thank you 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/sinovac-covishield-recognition-hopes-for-international-students/100508968

 

[DavisH]

2 hours ago, CM Dad said:

I am the father of a 16-year-old son who attends an expensive, private school.  I do not want him going to a school that employs teachers or staff who refuse to be vaccinated.  The sooner people like you are gone, the better.

I assume your child is also vaccinated or going to be vaccinated, right? 

[grain]

Beats me why anyone wouldn't eagerly take the vaccine. If someone refuses for medical reasons - they have past severe reactions to vaccines, ok I get it. But otherwise???? I live 250km from BKK. I drove my car to a BKK hospital got vax and drove home. In 3 weeks time I'll do it again for my 2nd jab. So I traveled 1000 kms to get fully vaxed. 

[DavisH]

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

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I teach at a school in one of the worst affected provinces in the south. Some (many?) of our teachers don't want to get the vaccine due to religious reasons.

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What religious reasons?  The highest Muslim scholars have stated that these vaccinations are halal and there is no religious reason not to have a vax.  Perhaps they are all Jehova's Witnesses down south? (Actually, even JWs have stated that having a vax is simply a personal decision, and nothing to do with religion).

Some Catholics believe the vaccines contain cells from aborted fetuses (not true). I kknow of one who will not vaccinate for this reason. That is despite this information...https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells

[Scott Tracy]

5 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I haven't had the ultimatum yet, but am half expecting it, however the director knows my views on experimental "vaccines" and may be pragmatic and not push it, as he should realise that his chances of getting another Native English speaking teacher to keep his English programme going in the backwoods of Isaan are pretty slim.

Don't be so sure...you may consider that you are irreplaceable, but, believe me, you are most certainly not.

In my view, any school that fails to take appropriate measures to safeguard the health and welfare of staff and children in their care should be closed immediately. 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, walailak said:

Hi, you mentioned Australia has just recognised Sinovac?

Could you please give me a link for that? 

Last week I spent hours on the phone to AIR(REGISTER) and then healh NSW only to be told not yet! 

Thank you 

Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has announced that it will recognise the Sinovac and Covishield vaccines.

That doesn't mean you'll be able to access those vaccines in Australia, but people overseas who've received those formulas will qualify as fully vaccinated. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/international-travel-australia-border-scott-morrison-changes/100507722

[rbkk]

Why can't parents access the Teacher Council of Thailand's database and check the licence and vaccine status of all teachers?

[Sheryl]

posts with blatant misinformation have been removed along with replies quoting them

[LeatFingies]

4 hours ago, CM Dad said:

I am the father of a 16-year-old son who attends an expensive, private school.  I do not want him going to a school that employs teachers or staff who refuse to be vaccinated.  The sooner people like you are gone, the better.

I like how you mention “expensive, private school”. What does that have to with anything? If you’re so concerned, homeschool your child.

[bbabythai]

OP sounds uneducated and possibly influenced by happy clapper religious beliefs? What is your reason for not having the jab? Seriously...

 

Please write from ICU if you are unlucky enough to catch the dreaded disease and your body can't cope. 

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, JackGats said:

Do you take blood pressure or some other medication every day? If not in a few years you will have too as you get older. Read the small print about the recorded side-effects of such medications. Scary isn't it? And you have to swallow those chemicals every day!

 

So my point is: an "experimental" vaccine once every 8 months is probably nothing in comparison.

Yawn...

[scorecard]

46 minutes ago, rbkk said:

Why can't parents access the Teacher Council of Thailand's database and check the licence and vaccine status of all teachers?

Ever heard of privacy?

 

[zyphodb]

4 hours ago, Tony125 said:

You say expiramental drugs, Pfizer is not as it has been given full US FDA approval as a treatment for Covid 19. Literaly billions of people around the world have already been given shots with billions more waiting. Few adverse reactions and the vaccine in any case will not give you Covid. Courts in US  have backed hospitals and other companies with their right to fire those who refuse to take the shots even  though the requrement wasn't in their contracts. Also those fired cannot collect unenemployment benefits.

This is Thailand not the U.S. and how many on the FDA etc. haven't been bought off by big pharma and their friends anyway?

[2ndhomepattaya]

8 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I haven't had the ultimatum yet, but am half expecting it, however the director knows my views on experimental "vaccines" and may be pragmatic and not push it, as he should realise that his chances of getting another Native English speaking teacher to keep his English programme going in the backwoods of Isaan are pretty slim. Also he may not want to end up in the Labor courts for sacking me when he's the one who's broken the contract of employment...

Not sure why you call vaccines "experimental" as this is clearly not true. Some like Pfizer which I have been fully FDA approved.

Please check your facts first.

[JackGats]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Ever heard of privacy?

 

... Yawn

[Resident Alien]

6 hours ago, robblok said:

How many kids have died from covid vaccines ? We know that 581 have died from covid. 

I agree with your posts in this thread.

 

Strange that my post with a link confirming this number (cdc.gov) has been removed.

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, Martin2468 said:

I do not post ‘blatant misinformation’ Sheryl. I correct misinformation. Everything I stated is scientifically verifiable.  The EMA and other health authorities have been  charged with failing to adequately inform populations of vaccine risks, violating the right to free informed consent under the Nuremberg Code. Please check it out for yourself.  

In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013- a period of 15.5 years. And people affected worse are between 18 and 64 years old - the group which was not in the Covid statistics. 

There was a press Release to this effect on August 25 2021. I will gladly send this to you -if I am allowed to speak the truth?
 

 

Dying within a certain time frame (i.e. 48 hours) after being vaccinated is not the same as dying from the vaccine. 

 

Given that people die every day and the amount of vaccines being administered it is a statistical certainty that the coincidence will exist that people die within a certain time frame of receiving a vaccine.

 

IF You were able to vaccinate 100% of the Thai population today, about 1520 of them would die to day, about 1520 of them would die tomorrow, about 1520 of them would die the next day and so on...  a statistical certainty. 

 

 

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only three deaths have been linked to vaccination.

 

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

 

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by richard_smith237

[walailak]

4 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/sinovac-covishield-recognition-hopes-for-international-students/100508968

 

Thank you, hopefully they will soon recognised Sinopharm so I can get our GP back at Bronte NSW to add them to our Medicare for myself and wife ????

If anyone is interested for Australia 02 94617597, Sydney number, direct to Health NSW, super helpful can ask anything about vaccines and upcoming approvals ????

[walailak]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has announced that it will recognise the Sinovac and Covishield vaccines.

That doesn't mean you'll be able to access those vaccines in Australia, but people overseas who've received those formulas will qualify as fully vaccinated. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/international-travel-australia-border-scott-morrison-changes/100507722

Thank you, hopefully they will soon recognised Sinopharm so I can get our GP back at Bronte NSW to add them to our Medicare for myself and wife ????

 

If anyone is interested for Australia 02 94617597, Sydney number, direct to Health NSW, super helpful can ask anything about vaccines and upcoming approvals ????

[mstevens]

19 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I haven't had the ultimatum yet, but am half expecting it, however the director knows my views on experimental "vaccines" and may be pragmatic and not push it, as he should realise that his chances of getting another Native English speaking teacher to keep his English programme going in the backwoods of Isaan are pretty slim. Also he may not want to end up in the Labor courts for sacking me when he's the one who's broken the contract of employment...

I respect your viewpoint, even if I personally disagree with it. What does make me wonder is what the students' respective parents would make of the foreign teacher who refuses to be vaccinated. My feeling is that this is not something many parents would readily accept and they might well put pressure on "Paw Aw" to pressure said foreign teacher to get jabbed, else find a new foreign teacher.

[mstevens]

I would not be surprised if at some stage in the not too distant future that vaccination becomes a requirement for visas / extensions of stay also.

 

 

15 hours ago, Guffman said:

I renewed visa and work permit a couple of weeks ago. I filled in the work permit application and gave it back to the hr woman. She then asked me if I had the Mor Prom app. I said no. Why would she ask that? I'm guessing they're going to make it a requirement for a work permit. Maybe next year sometime once the majority of people have had 2 shots. Just speculation on my part, but I can see it happening.

 

[Scott]

A school I am familiar with fired 6 teachers quite a while back.  At the time, vaccines were in short supply and the school had to call in a lot of favors to get vaccinations for the staff.   Six teachers refused and were immediately dismissed.   At that time, only Sinovac was available and it was hard to get.   The school has been clear with all the teachers you will get vaccinated.  If you want, you can make your own appointment, if not the school will do it for you.

 

There seems to be a fair amount of misleading information.  The mRNA vaccines are no longer under Emergency Use Authorization, they are fully approved by the U.S. FDA and I presume Thailand has followed course with that decision. 

 

mRNA technology, including use in vaccines has been around for a while.   The technology dates back to the 1990's and in the early 2000s it was used in a number of trials for viruses such as Zika, Influenza and HIV.   The results of those trials were not encouraging, however, they did show no long term negative affects from the use of mRNA vaccines.  

 

I know a fair number of people that hesitant to take the mRNA vaccines.  It might be in their best interest to simply take the traditional ones.  In some respects we are lucky to have a rather broad spectrum of different vaccines.  The efficacy may vary, but a low efficacy is probably better than no protection at all. 

 

[Henryford]

23 hours ago, zyphodb said:

But it isn't is it? nothing on my contract or any others I should imagine about having to take an experimental medical procedure to keep working... 

I agree, if it is a condition of employment in your contract when you are employed, fair enough you have the option to accept or not. But to add it retrospectively after you have maybe left a previous job is a no no in my book.

[248900_1469958220]

6 hours ago, Scott said:

A school I am familiar with fired 6 teachers quite a while back.  At the time, vaccines were in short supply and the school had to call in a lot of favors to get vaccinations for the staff.   Six teachers refused and were immediately dismissed.   At that time, only Sinovac was available and it was hard to get.   The school has been clear with all the teachers you will get vaccinated.  If you want, you can make your own appointment, if not the school will do it for you.

 

There seems to be a fair amount of misleading information.  The mRNA vaccines are no longer under Emergency Use Authorization, they are fully approved by the U.S. FDA and I presume Thailand has followed course with that decision. 

 

mRNA technology, including use in vaccines has been around for a while.   The technology dates back to the 1990's and in the early 2000s it was used in a number of trials for viruses such as Zika, Influenza and HIV.   The results of those trials were not encouraging, however, they did show no long term negative affects from the use of mRNA vaccines.  

 

I know a fair number of people that hesitant to take the mRNA vaccines.  It might be in their best interest to simply take the traditional ones.  In some respects we are lucky to have a rather broad spectrum of different vaccines.  The efficacy may vary, but a low efficacy is probably better than no protection at all. 

 

I decided to take Sinovac. My 2nd dose is in a couple of weeks. I was offered a free jab a few months back from my school but, I wanted to look into it some more. I think this is reasonable. My parents live in Australia which have now recognised this vaccine....they had to with the money spinning Asian international student market. I dont see it being an option NOT to be vaccinated come next month, or whenever in class lessons restart. I like my job. I was reluctant to take the jabs....so shoot me! I did it. 

[Tracyb]

On 10/7/2021 at 10:53 AM, HeijoshinCool said:

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Uhm, that you believe whatever the media tells you......?

No. I rely on reports from the Centers For Disease Control, (CDC).

[Tracyb]

On 10/7/2021 at 8:50 AM, Bagwain said:

Figures a doggy at best coming out of the US. In Australia and other counties the vaxed are higher numbers in hospitals!

Perhaps a review of the CDC reports from America might be enlightening’

[DavisH]

23 minutes ago, Tracyb said:

Perhaps a review of the CDC reports from America might be enlightening’

...and less that 10% of those in Australia hospitals are vaxxed. They remainder are unvaxxed or have had one shot (which is close to useless for Delta). Saying that its mainly vaxxed that are sick in hospital is plain wrong. 

[Expat Rob]

On 10/6/2021 at 12:50 PM, LeatFingies said:

I’m not getting the vaccine. I haven’t been told that I will be fired, but I doubt they will resign my contract. I’m not willing to sell out.
 

Even if I was vaccinated, I don’t think I would be teaching much longer due to the probability of contracting it when working in close proximity with so many people. 

wow, I hope you are not teaching logic...