No Omicron Cases In Thailand

[starky]

11 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

It was labelled a "Variant of concern" which is a standard nomenclature that has a very specific scientific meaning:

 

"variants of the virus where mutations in their spike protein receptor binding domain substantially increase binding affinity in RBD-hACE2 complex, while also being linked to rapid spread in human populations."

 

No more, no less.  They made it clear it was not yet known if it was more severe than prior variants nor if existing vaccines would confer protection.

 

Note that WHO also did not recommend border closures in response to Omicron.

Yes and as usual the media has grabbed it and run with it.

[starky]

14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

It was labelled a "Variant of concern" which is a standard nomenclature that has a very specific scientific meaning:

 

"variants of the virus where mutations in their spike protein receptor binding domain substantially increase binding affinity in RBD-hACE2 complex, while also being linked to rapid spread in human populations."

 

No more, no less.  They made it clear it was not yet known if it was more severe than prior variants nor if existing vaccines would confer protection.

 

Note that WHO also did not recommend border closures in response to Omicron.

No more no less? How about very high risk is that standard nomenclature? Did the WHO say any of this or is it all made up?

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-poses-very-high-global-risk-countries-must-prepare-who-2021-11-29/

Edited November 30, 2021 by starky

[Stargeezr]

Just a correction, or clarification, Omicron is the greek letter O.  and in english alphebet the 15th letter is O

  The Greek number 15 is different and pronounced dekapende, with a symbol over the middle e.

check the computer, Wikipedia.

   So far this variant is not in Thailand, but it likely on the way for sure.

We are all hoping that it is milder, I guess time will tell.

 

[rupert the bear]

19 hours ago, ozimoron said:

If you don't know and can't elucidate them why allege that they exist?

i do know and i have told you,hk china and look out the window,its staring u in the face.if you cant see it get a pair of glasses,ask the foreign correspondents club theres a good place to start.thats just the start of it and the most obvious.elucidate it ha ha ha.amazing.you dont even have to have a very high IQ so god knows what yours is

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

i do know and i have told you,hk china and look out the window,its staring u in the face.if you cant see it get a pair of glasses,ask the foreign correspondents club theres a good place to start.thats just the start of it and the most obvious.elucidate it ha ha ha.amazing.you dont even have to have a very high IQ so god knows what yours is

You expect some kind of religious faith that what you're saying is true. Smart people will never accept that kind of argument. You either provide facts when challenged or you are entitled to be disbelieved at the very least.

Edited November 30, 2021 by ozimoron

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, starky said:

Yes and as usual the media has grabbed it and run with it.

As has the covid deniers and conspiracy theorists.

[spidermike007]

Who makes up these names? Big Pharma? Sounds like a disease communicated by sci-fi Nano robots or terminators. 

 

Deliberately intended to scare the population into complete submission? Not submissive enough, are we? 

Edited December 1, 2021 by spidermike007

[johng]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Who makes up these names?

Yes the "WHO made the name..but missed a couple out of the sequence as to not offend a certain someone.  this should have been Nu  and the next one Xi  !!

[starky]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

As has the covid deniers and conspiracy theorists.

No covid denier here but neither will I <deleted> myself every single time a new variant is discovered and there will be plenty of them. Neither do I see any sense in having a booster shot 2 or 3 months after I just had a second covid shot. 

 Either the vaccine is effective against omi or its not if it is why would I need another booster? If it's not why would I need a booster of something that's ineffective. 

  The time for lockdowns and this fall back chicken little sky is falling nonsense is over imo.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, starky said:

No covid denier here but neither will I <deleted> myself every single time a new variant is discovered and there will be plenty of them. Neither do I see any sense in having a booster shot 2 or 3 months after I just had a second covid shot. 

 Either the vaccine is effective against omi or its not if it is why would I need another booster? If it's not why would I need a booster of something that's ineffective. 

  The time for lockdowns and this fall back chicken little sky is falling nonsense is over imo.

Since there are hundreds of thousands of variants, I guess it's good you don't <deleted> yourself every time! LOL

 

The current recommendation is NOT to get a booster for this new variant as not enough is known right now.

 

There were boosters for Delta, but it was determined the current jab works fine.

 

Follow the better media sites and you'll find out this information.  The better ones are not saying the sky is falling.

[ozimoron]

Just now, starky said:

No covid denier here but neither will I <deleted> myself every single time a new variant is discovered and there will be plenty of them. Neither do I see any sense in having a booster shot 2 or 3 months after I just had a second covid shot. 

 Either the vaccine is effective against omi or its not if it is why would I need another booster? If it's not why would I need a booster of something that's ineffective. 

  The time for lockdowns and this fall back chicken little sky is falling nonsense is over imo.

There are numbers between 1 and 100. The booster does exactly what its name says it does. The vaccine does act against omicron in that it does the same as it does for alpha and delta. It reduces transmission, infection and serious illness. It apparently just does it less well. WE likely wouldn't have been dealing with a variant like omicron at all if everyone had just acted responsibly and followed the medical advice which is to get vaccinated. Wider issues like distributing a fair share of vaccines to poor nations and educating the population are also in play. As is quelling the tidal wave of misinformation which infests the social media.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Who makes up these names? Big Pharma? Sounds like a disease communicated by sci-fi Nano robots or terminators. 

 

Deliberately intended to scare the population into complete submission? Not submissive enough, are we? 

Yes, the new variants should be called other names , more friendly names , like Foxy or Jolly or something .

  

[darksidedog]

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[starky]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

There are numbers between 1 and 100. The booster does exactly what its name says it does. The vaccine does act against omicron in that it does the same as it does for alpha and delta. It reduces transmission, infection and serious illness. It apparently just does it less well. WE likely wouldn't have been dealing with a variant like omicron at all if everyone had just acted responsibly and followed the medical advice which is to get vaccinated. Wider issues like distributing a fair share of vaccines to poor nations and educating the population are also in play. As is quelling the tidal wave of misinformation which infests the social media.

Preaching to the converted mate I was complaining months ago on this very forum how developing nations were hoarding vaccine with fully vaccinated populations while as usual the developing world gets screwed 

[starky]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Since there are hundreds of thousands of variants, I guess it's good you don't <deleted> yourself every time! LOL

 

The current recommendation is NOT to get a booster for this new variant as not enough is known right now.

 

There were boosters for Delta, but it was determined the current jab works fine.

 

Follow the better media sites and you'll find out this information.  The better ones are not saying the sky is falling.

WOW we must really have different news feeds except that the CDC  the UK, US, Israeli, Australian, New Zealand and quite a few other governments (not media sources) are recommending and pushing forward booster vaccines specifically because of omi. So back to the fear mongering maybe it's governments who are trying to push the line the sky is falling. Personally I think developed nations should stop hogging all the vaccine but hey it seems like the "im all right jack" mentality will prevail.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/as-omicron-emerges-countries-weigh-need-for-covid-19-booster-shots

Edited December 1, 2021 by starky

[DavisH]

On 11/30/2021 at 7:44 AM, hotchilli said:

Those same measures didn't stop the Delta variant from coming in... only a matter of time.

If Omicron is present in India, it wil get here as Delta did - acoss to Bangladesh, into Myanmar, then into Thailand via broder crossers. Or by air. Either way, it will get here eventually. Ideally it will be more transmissible but much more mild, and may displace delta. 

[Jeffr2]

17 minutes ago, starky said:

WOW we must really have different news feeds except that the CDC  the UK, US, Israeli, Australian, New Zealand and quite a few other governments (not media sources) are recommending and pushing forward booster vaccines specifically because of omi. So back to the fear mongering maybe it's governments who are trying to push the line the sky is falling. Personally I think developed nations should stop hogging all the vaccine but hey it seems like the "im all right jack" mentality will prevail.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/as-omicron-emerges-countries-weigh-need-for-covid-19-booster-shots

Let me be more specific. Booster shots specifically for Omicron. Not the current ones. But yes, people need to get vaccinated. Or get boosters if needed. Not everyone needs boosters.

 

You are aware that the problem in South Africa isn't lack of vaccines, right?

[placnx]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

There are numbers between 1 and 100. The booster does exactly what its name says it does. The vaccine does act against omicron in that it does the same as it does for alpha and delta. It reduces transmission, infection and serious illness. It apparently just does it less well. WE likely wouldn't have been dealing with a variant like omicron at all if everyone had just acted responsibly and followed the medical advice which is to get vaccinated. Wider issues like distributing a fair share of vaccines to poor nations and educating the population are also in play. As is quelling the tidal wave of misinformation which infests the social media.

There is just not enough vaccine to go around, but turning over patents and know how to India, South Africa and the like would not help solving the problem any time soon. The US and similar should have acted at the start of the year to greatly up vaccine production capacity. Supply could have been on line some moths ago.

[Tonypandy]

22 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Pure misinformation.

Time will tell

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[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

If Omicron is present in India, it wil get here as Delta did - acoss to Bangladesh, into Myanmar, then into Thailand via broder crossers. Or by air. Either way, it will get here eventually. Ideally it will be more transmissible but much more mild, and may displace delta. 

The question remains what will Thailand do if Omicron spreads through Europe?

They've jumped the gun and banned some African countries...

Will they do the same for Europeans or have double standards for preferred tourists?

Or go back to 14 days quarantine for those countries having Omicron?

 

[lodstewart]

if you do more testing , you will get more Corona cases,

the same if you do more IQ tests, you will get more Idiots,,????

[MrJ2U]

"No Omicron Cases In Thailand"

 

Not for long.  Things are to loosey goosey here like their masks.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Tonypandy said:

Time will tell

Nope. Facts are already in. Stick with the better media outlets and you won't get fed misinformation. Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The booster does exactly what its name says it does. The vaccine does act against omicron in that it does the same as it does for alpha and delta. It reduces transmission, infection and serious illness. It apparently just does it less well.

 

We don't actually know yet how well various vaccines do against omicron. It is a more complex issue than one might think as in addition to pathogen specific immunity, the immune system may be primed to respond against different pathogens that are similar enough (not antibody response but cell-mediated immunity).  This will take some time to sort out, nto least because the variant is spreading in areas with low vaccination rates.

 

Same issue pertains to people previously infected. Possible but not yet clear that they may be more easily reinfected by this varant than by others.

 

What has the various vaccine manufacturers and health authorities very concerned is that the action of the different vaccines is known and depends on the virus having certain traits which the new variant lacks either in whole or in large part. For example, the mRNA and viral vector vaccines work by promoting the body to make antibodies against specific spike proteins. Moderna has gone on record as saying there is a large variance between the spike proteins their current vaccine codes for and those of the new variant. I haven't heard anything specific from Pfizer of AZ.

 

As for Sinoivac/Sinopharm, these work by priming the body to make antibodies to the specific original COVID variant, as we already saw efficacy was lower for the Delta variant, and Omicron has still a larger number of variants.

 

Hence the concern. 

 

But in addition to the antibody formation a vaccine stimulates, there is a longer term sensitization of T-cells and these will sometimes generalize to different but similar antigens providing at least some cross-immunity. How much, can vary greatly.

[Pravda]

No Omikron cases in Thailand. 

 

Or no testing in Thailand?

 

Cases found in Netherlands before a ban on SA flights

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-variant-was-detected-netherlands-before-s-africa-flights-2021-11-30/

[Bkk Brian]

56 minutes ago, Pravda said:

No Omikron cases in Thailand. 

 

Or no testing in Thailand?

 

Cases found in Netherlands before a ban on SA flights

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-variant-was-detected-netherlands-before-s-africa-flights-2021-11-30/

Nigeria identifies Omicron variant in sample collected in October

We reported earlier that Nigeria had confirmed its first cases of the Omicron variant [see 6.15am] but Associated Press is carrying more detail here – including that the country has now said that one case dates back to October.

Genomic sequencing of positive cases of Covid-19 in Nigeria identified two cases of the omicron variant among travellers from South Africa, the Nigeria Center for Disease Control (CDC) said in a statement issued by its director general.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/dec/01/covid-news-live-who-advises-vulnerable-against-travel-over-omicron-greece-to-fine-those-over-60-who-refuse-vaccine?

[bangon04]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the new variants should be called other names , more friendly names , like Foxy or Jolly or something .

  

Sleepy, Sneezy, Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, ??

[champers]

BP Online are reporting that over 300 arrivals from Southern African countries last month have gone "missing". The Government wants these people to give themselves up and put themselves into 14 days quarantine. Presumably these invited guests have satisfied all Thailand Pass requirements and are free to roam wherever they wish in Thailand. They are now fugitives in the eyes of their panic stricken hosts.

[Tonypandy]

17 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Nope. Facts are already in. Stick with the better media outlets and you won't get fed misinformation. Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.

The better media outlets, can you give an example of who these are please?