Used JR Hokkaido train cars arrive in Thailand

[jacko45k]

16 minutes ago, Almer said:

Somebody made a mint on these for sure

There is money in it, old is gold!

Edited December 15, 2021 by jacko45k

[Almer]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

There is money it, old is gold!

Muck is money they say

[Wuvu2]

Brilliant move by Japan - Thailand will be buying overpriced replacement parts for decades. 

 

Gillette used to give away their razors for free, but they sure made a lot of money selling razor blades ????

[Raybangkok]

Difficult to compare

 

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[law ling]

There're finally here!

Next step: Get the refurbishment budget approved and paid.

Then: After all possible skimming, provide years of "useful employment" for relevant cousins, brothers-in-law, friends of friends, etc.

Finally: Bookmark this story for follow-up in five years.

[sniggie]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

Looks like a KiHa 183-900 built in 1979 so only 42 years old.

 

They will certainly need new wheel-sets. Japan is "cape gauge" (1,067mm) whereas Thailand is true "metre gauge" (1,000mm).

 

Falang think too much.

[petedk]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

Looks like a KiHa 183-900 built in 1979 so only 42 years old.

 

They will certainly need new wheel-sets. Japan is "cape gauge" (1,067mm) whereas Thailand is true "metre gauge" (1,000mm).

 

My first thoughts.

[newnative]

Gotta be better than the un-airconditioned horrors I see now.  These at least appear to be from the 20th century.

[bignbad]

2 hours ago, Orinoco said:

They could have smartened one up for the photo shoot.

Thailand -4.0

They did, that was the best they could get them,,,,,,,,,:):):)

[Orinoco]

37 minutes ago, law ling said:

There're finally here!

Next step: Get the refurbishment budget approved and paid.

Then: After all possible skimming, provide years of "useful employment" for relevant cousins, brothers-in-law, friends of friends, etc.

Finally: Bookmark this story for follow-up in five years.

You been here to long.

Bet you say Book bank as well  !!!! LOL.

[hansnl]

I wonder......

Thailand has a gauge of 1000 mm.

JR Hokkadoi has a gauge of 

1067 mm.

Don't think that will fit nicely.

Or maybe the wheels can be repositioned on the axles?

 

[cheapcanuck]

junk

[hansnl]

I wonder......

Thailand has a gauge of 1000 mm.

JR Hokkadoi has a gauge of 

1067 mm.

Don't think that will fit nicely.

Or maybe the wheels can be repositioned on the axles?

3 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

JR Hokkaido is the big money loser of JR rail those cars look they have not been used for many years.

Seen it before somewhere however.

Yes, indeed.

As soon as any country builds a high speed rail net the existing lines will generate a loss.

Two rail systems in a country is a recipe for disaster.

[Srikcir]

Becuse diesel-powered engines burn hotter than even gas-powered engines, it's NOx emissions is even higher. Thus, a higher carbon footprint, a polluter and higher level of greenhouse effect. At least a hybrid engine would cause less NOx emissions.

Thought the government made a commitment to the UN to better deter climate change, ie., lower carbon footprint. But "free" seems to overrule science for this government.

[DrJack54]

I wonder if the Japanese timetable guidelines are included.

From BBC.

"A Japanese rail company has apologised after a train left a station 25 seconds early, the second such case in months.

The operator said the "great inconvenience we placed upon our customers was truly inexcusable".

If the details are anything to go by, customers are faced with slipping standards: a train last November left 20 seconds early while this time it was a full 25 seconds premature."

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[josephbloggs]

10 minutes ago, hansnl said:

I wonder......

Thailand has a gauge of 1000 mm.

JR Hokkadoi has a gauge of 

1067 mm.

Don't think that will fit nicely.

Or maybe the wheels can be repositioned on the axles?

For all the wags saying the Thais won't have thought of that, from the article:  "The trains will be shifted to the Makkasan maintenance centre for inspection before modified bogeys are added. The entire operation is expected to take about four months."

 

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Yes, indeed.

As soon as any country builds a high speed rail net the existing lines will generate a loss.

Two rail systems in a country is a recipe for disaster.

Eh?  Every single country in the world - including Japan - has multiple rail systems as well as high speed.

[The Fugitive]

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

And in the Buenos Aires subway system as well.  But I don't know if they  bother to refurbish, the cars there still have signs in Japanese.  They probably just hose them down inside and out and that's it. 

There are certain lines there that have ancient cars where the passengers have to open the doors manually.

 

 

I like BA's Metro. Do they still have the wooden trains that have been described as 'creaking along inside an antique wardrobe'?

[Hanuman2547]

I don't think this train wreck of a deal is going to work out so well.  How many years do they think they will get out of them?  

[Captain Monday]

Amazing the Soft Power japan wields.

China much more important economically but still a white Western millionaire is a Farang.

An old Japanese pensioner on 40,000 baht a month gets high respect and privilege.

 

I think it is because they are more respectful and integrate better. No complaints about masks.

[edwinchester]

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Up on blocks. Great look.

 

Initial inspection showed that the 17 railcars are in good condition and technicians believe they can easily last for another 50 years.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40009927

Must have been some scousers in the area.

[Burma Bill]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Used trains manufactured in Japan are popular

Oh really!!

 

7 hours ago, meauwnam said:

It wouldn't surprise me if these Japanese trains are used on the Bangkok - Nam Tok route

Like this earlier steam locomotive??

 

 

Thailand, Kanchanaburi. This is one of the abandoned trains beyond what was Sai Yok clearing and PoW camp on the infamous Burma-Siam Death railway

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[Burma Bill]

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Up on blocks.

Maybe they are specially adapted for block signaling???

 

[Moonlover]

3 hours ago, Almer said:

Somebody made a mint on these for sure

Please tell me how to 'make a mint' on donated items?

[wpcoe]

Would be interesting to see the condition of the car interiors.

[mtls2005]

Oddly reminiscent of the "White Elephant".

 

Someone thought that this was a good idea. Was it some brilliant mind at SRT - that black-hole of cash?

 

And where is Chidchob? He should be out in front of this if it's such a wonderful idea? His absence is telling.

 

 

From an article when this "deal" as first annoucned:

 

Later on Thursday, the SRT announced that Deugro Projects (Thailand) Co. had been selected to ship the 17 donated trains to the kingdom, explaining that the amount included import and value-added taxes.

[rbkk]

4 hours ago, Crossy said:

Looks like a KiHa 183-900 built in 1979 so only 42 years old.

 

They will certainly need new wheel-sets. Japan is "cape gauge" (1,067mm) whereas Thailand is true "metre gauge" (1,000mm).

 

So the wheel-base will have to be 6.7cms smaller and thus less stable?  

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, rbkk said:

So the wheel-base will have to be 6.7cms smaller and thus less stable?  

 

Bless your heart, you think these will be operated at some point.

 

Shuffle these off with the fire trucks and boats.

 

 

[chilly07]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is OK to spend tens of billions on utterly useless submarines, but spending real money on us commoners seems to be beyond the scope, vision and willingness of the (PTA) pathetic Thai army. 

To be fair the submarines  and aircraft carrier are also second hand!

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, bdenner said:

Well I guess we can look on the bright side, these junk piles do not appear to need rail lines so can compete with the junk busses on the roads and that's all we need, more diesel smoke pollution.

One of the major costs involved in "Refurbishing " these old Trains, is that all the existing running gear on them is no good for the Thailand Rail Network.

Thailand rail has a One Meter Gauge, so all the stuff on these Trains needs replacing.

Added too which are the Internal Refurb / recon Etc of every piece on these Trains , and basically you are just respraying an empty tin can that will not need too much attention.

Japan Rail had a Garage sale and the Thais turned up looking for a bargain.

Even as a freeby they are not going to be a cheap option.

 

[chilly07]

Destined for the Bangkok - Nam Tok line. Delivery a little late. Approx 75 yrs late but the Japs had seen the film and assumed the bridge had been blown up!