14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

BANGKOK, Jan 6 (TNA) – The Public Health Ministry raised its COVID-19 alert level to Level 4 which will result in the closure of the eateries that are similar to pubs and bars as well as liquor premises.

Maybe that will shut down the noise centre near my home.

A venue in the midst of a residential area  purports to be a restaurant but has a stage & live bands every night.. food is minimal.

It doesn't even open until 6pm... closed all day?

10 hours ago, robblok said:

Sorry to be logical, its not only logic its the truth.

 

I am not out to rid the countries of bars. But can you deny what i am saying. That once alcohol flows people forget about social distancing and rules and bar owners cant and wont enforce. I mean its the truth.

 

Now if i was an alcoholic or a bar lover I would not be that happy with this logic either because it deprives me of my fun.

 

But it does not change the fact that this logic holds. (unfortunately)

 

I could not care less if bars are open or closed but the logic holds and bars are ideal for spreading covid. 

 

There is a reason why in the west they closed bars and clubs first too. Its not just Thailand. 

 

Many on this forum are here for the bars the girls and are now bored to death. I get it. But nobody likes this. I would have loved for all this to be over and have a holiday with my parents. But with these rules im not letting them come over.

Sitting on a bus or the skytrain is ok though.

13 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

There goes the hybrid Pattaya Tree Town "restaurant/bar/knocking shop/brown envelope" model.

Doubtful that venue seems to have a charmed life.

13 hours ago, Trip Hop said:

Meanwhile the UK has just announced that they no longer require a PCR on or before day 2 after arrival and have replaced it with a LFT? They have also scrapped the requirement to isolate until you get the result?

That is the other side of the world .... 

13 hours ago, calbts2 said:

First - where is the scientific evidence that alcohol consumption is a main factor of outbreaks? 

Complete utter rubbish.

Next - is this tool going to pay all of these businesses he wants to shut down out of his vast fortune?

Feel so sad that the Thai people have to put up with this inept, ineffective, and economy destroying leadership.

Since 2014 it has been a slow slide downward and I don't even think we have hit rock bottom yet economically.

 

Its not just the little guys either, I recall on Thai Visa and in other media, figs of 1600 investors leaving Thailand per year since the Coup and that was pre-covid, it must be even worse now ! Thailand was to purchase up to 22,000 MW's of power from Laos within the next year or so, currently barely purchasing 7000MW's due to failing businesses, lack of investors and of course, lack of tourist (So many Hotels in Limbo or closed down)

2 minutes ago, chrissables said:

Sitting on a bus or the skytrain is ok though.

People need transportation.masks are worn on buses and the sky train. 

1 minute ago, chrissables said:

Sitting on a bus or the skytrain is ok though.

Ah the old why don't they do something about this because the thing i like is under threat.

 

There is a difference between essential travel (that they are curbing because of work from home) and recreation.

 

But at least int he sky train the masks stay on unlike in bars and people dont voluntarily get closer or swap saliva (you know the thing girls and guys do when they get all hot and bothered after some alcohol) regularly.

 

Seriously if you can't see the difference, you are probably a bit bias and dependent on bars for entertainment. 

 

I get it sucks, but to compare essential services with non essential is not the way to go. 

 

Anyway they do same in the west, close bars and discos first as they are prime places for virus spread. But are more hesitant to stop public transport as that means people can't get to their work. I know for some its a valid comparison as it makes their hobby look less bad. 

 

I am certainly not against bars to each his or her own but to deny its a problem is a bit crazy. But did you not get the memo where they advice people to work from home and the government is doing the same (that was a topic that was shot down as saying people in the goverment are lazy but then we got people like you saying they should not be in the sky train so whatever people decide its never good according to the Thaivisa experts).

 

I like almost everyone wish that this nightmare was over, i love to travel without problems go to croweded places like before. But that is just not a good idea. You see that hospitals are having problems in the west. Its not that far in Thailand yet but during the previous wave people died in streets and home and were searching for places in hospitals (maybe you forgot that too). 

 

I cant imagine that people want those times to return. 

 

26 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Are these numbered levels, i.e. "level 4" different than the colored levels, e.g. "dark red"?

 

 

I was thinking the same thing, maybe they have changed the severity levels to numbers as the Thais seem incapable of understanding colours, traffic lights spring to mind ????????

It is coming?  slowly but surely?  This comes from the future PM of Thailand!????

14 hours ago, Snig27 said:

What's the bet they are still serving in the Army Club and various ministerial bars without any problem. 

I play golf 3 times a week and get enough beers in there to get by.

They only closed courses for 1 week last year.

 

The incessant covidiocy overreaction madness continues! Deja Vu all over again and again and again and again. Is it never going to end??? 

Gotcha - so the little virus is into booze it seems. Deprive it from booze and pub food and you rid the planet of the corondemic? 

10 hours ago, robblok said:

Sorry to be logical, its not only logic its the truth.

 

I am not out to rid the countries of bars. But can you deny what i am saying. That once alcohol flows people forget about social distancing and rules and bar owners cant and wont enforce. I mean its the truth.

 

Now if i was an alcoholic or a bar lover I would not be that happy with this logic either because it deprives me of my fun.

 

But it does not change the fact that this logic holds. (unfortunately)

 

I could not care less if bars are open or closed but the logic holds and bars are ideal for spreading covid. 

 

There is a reason why in the west they closed bars and clubs first too. Its not just Thailand. 

 

Many on this forum are here for the bars the girls and are now bored to death. I get it. But nobody likes this. I would have loved for all this to be over and have a holiday with my parents. But with these rules im not letting them come over.

Will not make any difference in my city, local police drink in the bar (money under the table)????

14 hours ago, calbts2 said:

First - where is the scientific evidence that alcohol consumption is a main factor of outbreaks? 

Complete utter rubbish.

Next - is this tool going to pay all of these businesses he wants to shut down out of his vast fortune?

Feel so sad that the Thai people have to put up with this inept, ineffective, and economy destroying leadership.

Since 2014 it has been a slow slide downward and I don't even think we have hit rock bottom yet economically.

 

I suggest most of the current surge of infections in Chonburi originated from areas where alcohol was being sold. We had no issues prior, and since Banglamung (Pattaya) led the surge, alcohol is indeed a factor. 

14 hours ago, Snig27 said:

What's the bet they are still serving in the Army Club and various ministerial bars without any problem. 

You're far too cynical ????

2 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Gotcha - so the little virus is into booze it seems. Deprive it from booze and pub food and you rid the planet of the corondemic? 

No. Closing the bars won't end the epidemic. But, it's clear that the virus spreads rapidly in bars. Do you disagree? 

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

No. Closing the bars won't end the epidemic. But, it's clear that the virus spreads rapidly in bars. Do you disagree? 

Rather a superb example of closing the stable door well after the horses bolted!

14 hours ago, Snig27 said:

What's the bet they are still serving in the Army Club and various ministerial bars without any problem. 

Even the bar at Army Golf Club is open

10 hours ago, robblok said:

Many on this forum are here for the bars the girls and are now bored to death. I get it. But nobody likes this. I would have loved for all this to be over and have a holiday with my parents. But with these rules im not letting them come over.

That pretty much sums it up. For many, Bangkok is just a boring and polluted concrete jungle when the bars are closed. 

The question is whether bars will really stop serving alcohol, or simply pretend not to. 

12 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Rather a superb example of closing the stable door well after the horses bolted!

Closing the pipeline to limit the fire's spread.

 

10 hours ago, robblok said:

Im just giving you the reasonable explanation for bars, for restaurants the reason is that they will function as bars as soon as nobody is looking. Problem in Thailand is that they wont follow the rules. If they were sure it would be one glas of wine and not give me a box of crackers and 5 beers (you know what i mean) You also know how rules are flaunted here. That is why there are bans. Because they are lazy to check and enforce and the people love flaunting the rules finding ways around them.

 

 

Following the rules requires responsibility. That does not exist in Thai culture. In my native UK many people have tended to apply stricter restrictions upon themselves than the government has required because it is common sense to limit the possibility of infection. Again, common sense does not exist in Thailand.

24 minutes ago, Expat68 said:

Will not make any difference in my city, local police drink in the bar (money under the table)????

Then good luck for you enjoy. I mean i know how Thailand is. There are rules and places that break them

10 hours ago, robblok said:

Im just giving you the reasonable explanation for bars, for restaurants the reason is that they will function as bars as soon as nobody is looking. Problem in Thailand is that they wont follow the rules. If they were sure it would be one glas of wine and not give me a box of crackers and 5 beers (you know what i mean) You also know how rules are flaunted here. That is why there are bans. Because they are lazy to check and enforce and the people love flaunting the rules finding ways around them.

 

 

you are correct - all you had to do was look around pattaya these last 2 weeks and see packed venues now many closed because of virus clusters - they couldn't keep to the rules so this is the result, unfortunately many of the rule breakers were here on 2-3 week holidays and the majority will have already gone home or going home soon - we are now left with the aftermath with closures and lockdowns

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

Closing the pipeline to limit the fire's spread.

 

Not the best analogy..... it is self perpetuating and no longer needs the host source. Like a dose of the clap!

Bottom Line, so what if there’s an Omicron outbreak. Are these folks daft? All reports indicate it’s akin to catching a cold. Lord help us,

30 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

The incessant covidiocy overreaction madness continues! Deja Vu all over again and again and again and again. Is it never going to end??? 

It will end everywhere as Covid is basically now gone endemic but........It will end much slower in Thailand where they still think they can hide better than Omicron

( basically a mild cold for most)... can seek. The rest of the world is well underway to full herd immunity with a million plus cases per day in many countries

 

Omicron is doing what the vaccine could not & much more efficiently

 

Yet Thailand thinks it is better to hide? They can Stave it off? Stop it? Perhaps curing the common cold is next on their list?

 

So yeah you go Thailand...but meanwhile for the rest of the world tourism is booming

 

18 minutes ago, Capella said:

That pretty much sums it up. For many, Bangkok is just a boring and polluted concrete jungle when the bars are closed. 

Agreed for many BKK is a boring concrete jungle. I am living here for my GF lived a bit outside of BKK before. But I am really good at entertaining myself. Plus im lucky to have a home gym so I don't need to go out much.

 

But yes for a lot of people (also in m the group of friends of the GF) bars and restaurants are really important. Most people are social animals and this is hard for them. I get it because im bored with it too. I won't travel inside Thailand right now too risky to get the virus and be tested and maybe forced into quarantine.

 

I like to do my shopping without a mask, to stroll around in a mall at times (not too many times). To visit crowded places at times. That is all gone. It does kill a part of the fun.

 

Those in the small towns with a big house and pool are lucky. Im lucky too to have access to a pool. At least that makes things a bit nicer. But it was all far more fun before. Able to go to place in Thailand for short trips without the hassle.

 

Nobody enjoys this neither do I. I just did not lose the sense to reason.

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are correct - all you had to do was look around pattaya these last 2 weeks and see packed venues now many closed because of virus clusters - they couldn't keep to the rules so this is the result, unfortunately many of the rule breakers were here on 2-3 week holidays and the majority will have already gone home or going home soon - we are now left with the aftermath with closures and lockdowns

The proof is there but people just won't accept it as they need the bars and stuff. Problem is that people just can't or wont follow the rules and then clusters happen and then they close stuff.

 

Thailand only has two options to close stuff or let stuff get out of control. Just look back the beach chair drama.  They are lousy at enforcing rules. 

In the netherlands in december the death are higher again. They checked normal death rates with 2021 december and they are higher. So its still killing lots of people not to mention about long covid and other stuff.