Thailand to consider cutting second COVID-19 tests on international arrivals

[grain]

1 hour ago, yogi yogi said:

mr fernandez owes me money for a cancelled ticket and they wont answer the phone. i will fly nok instead now 

Yeah, he still owes me for 4 flights cancelled by AA in 2020. I can whistle Dixie cause he ain't gonna refund one cent.

[Spock]

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

These little paranoid conspiracy theories are juvenile. 

 

Do you really think the few foreign positive Covid-19 cases forced to take Hospital Treatment and isolation even register on the financial books of hospitals and hotels which are already bustling rendering services to Thailands population ????

 

Go into any hospital in Thailand, private or government and its always a busy place. 

 

 

 

 

So if there are so few positive cases picked up on the tests, why have them when they are deterring hundreds of thousands of tourists from coming to Thailand?

[Spock]

3 hours ago, Homburg said:

I have friends in LOS that I have not been able to see for some time now, but I am not tempted to try to visit.  For my winter sun break I chose Cambodia instead, and arrived there this week from UK.  I flew in on Thai Airways via BKK.  On arrival in BKK I was shocked to see the treatment of those passengers who were waiting to enter Thailand.  Seated in two rows of plastic chairs on the concourse at Swampy, waiting to be attended to by Thais in spacesuits. (Well I assumed they were Thai - they could have been Martians underneath all that kit.)

 

As a transit passenger I was able to bypass this and the rows of Thaipass checking desks, which I guess was the next stage in the process.  All very sensible if there was no Covid in Thailand, but there is. This, plus the day one and day five scams is why I am in Cambodia rather than the Land Of Scams. 

 

Contrast Thailand with my arrival in Phnom Penh: No insurance needed, a FREE OF CHARGE (are you reading this, Thailand?) test on arrival, they checked my vax status, checked my pre-flight PCR, I got my negative result in about 15 minutes and was OUTSIDE IN THE SUNSHINE.???? ???? ???? ???? ????

 

One final point of insanity (or perhaps just profiteering), I did not need to buy Covid insurance for Cambodia, but had to have $50,000 coverage for Thailand - just to transit through Swampy!!!

 

It's almost as if the Thai government had a braistorming session on how to pretend to open the country but really intending to deter as many tourists as possible.

Although if you test positive in Cambodia, you are sent to the government quarantine centre which is a hell hole and need 2 negative tests to get out. If you are a resident of Cambodia, you can self isolate. I don't currently find either country an attractive place for a holiday.

[EricTh]

47 minutes ago, Durian ong said:

Any idea the cost if tested positive ? 7-10days QT. Boomtown charlie for the participating hotels/hospital

There is a USD50k insurance that you have to buy that will cover the cost.

 

 

[orchidfan]

Great !

Just when I've paid for NON refundable,  NON changeable days 1 and 5 at a SHA Plus+ hotel in early March, for my returning Thai wife!

I guess any changes will take time, as everything does here. 

[QPRFC]

Tony is a great man and runs a great football team ⚽ 

[Captor]

22 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Yes, because they caught omicron gallivanting it in Thailand! So what is the point then?

Sucking money from the tourists to some few hiso´s like owner of hotels and hospitals!

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, grain said:

Yeah, he still owes me for 4 flights cancelled by AA in 2020. I can whistle Dixie cause he ain't gonna refund one cent.

Me too, and further it's now totally impossible to contact AirAsia to ask questions/seek clarity about anything, all of their phone numbers now closed and no e.mail address available, for

 

- Refunds etc

- Clarity before booking a new flight

- If the customer selects the 'class' of ticket (more expensive) which allows changing dates/flights 2 times, there is no way to contact AirAsia to request a change of date/time. I assumed this would be possible thought 'manage my booking' online but NO.

 

All of the above is strange to me in terms of modern business practice. Being good/excellent at CRM (Customer Relationship Management) is highly valuable and companies who today are head of their competitors in terms of clever/compehensive CRM reap strong benefits in terms ofrevenue and margin. Dr. Tony F. is no doubt a clever and switched on business man, it surprises me that AirAsia has taken this 'not possible for the customer to contact AA' appraoch.

 

Yes they have their robot chat bot which is as useless as xxxx on a bull, highly frustrating and annoying for customers and a total waste of time.

[KhaoYai]

22 hours ago, thaiman said:

Maybe 100k/daily new local infections and they're overly concerned with a few travelers coming into the country. 

Remember they need someone to blame.

[tomyami]

second test reduced to antigen is not an improvement its the positive off to hospital part that makes the risk not worth it, they cant be that stupid not to see it

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, EricTh said:

There is a USD50k insurance that you have to buy that will cover the cost.

 

 

If you are refering to the Thai policies, you must have missed last week's news - they no longer have to provide cover for asymptomatic cases or very mild infections, There is a set criteria that has to be met before they are required to provide cover.

 

Very few foreign insurers provide such cover.

[Rimmer]

A misleading post has been removed

[EricTh]

14 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

If you are refering to the Thai policies, you must have missed last week's news - they no longer have to provide cover for asymptomatic cases or very mild infections, There is a set criteria that has to be met before they are required to provide cover.

 

Very few foreign insurers provide such cover.

Does the Thai government allow home quarantine for mild cases in the case of foreigners? 

 

 

[connda]

Thailand to consider cutting second COVID-19 tests on international arrivals

No No No!  Danger!  Don't do that! Please! Everyone in Thailand will get Covid and people will die for sure!  ????  It would be better to add another test on day 10 as well.  We can never be too safe and we all need to be protected from international travelers who have the potential to infect all good citizens of Thailand with this deadly killer virus. 

 

Edited February 19, 2022 by connda

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

Whilst I respect Mr. Fernandes, what say should he have in the running of any Country.

The Thai Government should - repeat should, be able to make there own decisions regarding any policy that was put in place for the protection of the population by the Authorities, and not be " persuaded " by an Airline Exec. 

You sound like a Tory voter.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, Spock said:

And after the positive test begins the private hospital scam which is certainly keeping many people, including me, from returning to Thailand. 

Is that the 'private hospital scam' that there's scant evidence of even existing?

[Havenstreet1940]

7 hours ago, superal said:

PCR tests on omicron can sometimes fail to detect the virus in the early stages . A pre flight and on arrival pcr test could be possibly be carried out within a 48 hour period and both tests miss the virus detection . I am not going to be popular either that when I say that the safest bet would be a pre flight and on arrival PCR test followed by a 5 day quarantine and an end of quarantine test .  Either that or open up world travel to fully vaccinated tourists with proof of booster certs . Herein lies the problem on believing that all certs are genuine. Finally there have been some major steps with the use of anti viral oral medicines that are proving a success in hospitals and thus mitigate the use of ventilators , keeping patients out of I C U and freeing up the high level of intensive nursing . However omicron is not to be underestimated as it can be fatal or render life changing illnesses , especially to the non- vaccinated . Food for thought , some countries are charging non jabbed patients for treatment in their I C U wards

You are right there Sherlock, your suggestion is not appreciated.   You should seek a position with the Thai government and join the team that comes up with all the rediculous beaurocracy currently ensuring would be tourists to other more accomodating coutries.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Havenstreet1940

[tomyami]

54 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Is that the 'private hospital scam' that there's scant evidence of even existing?

It starts with the thai hotel hospital partnership there are many warnings as there are reports those in thailand will not post on social media for fear of prosecution under thai laws that protect businesses

[RobU]

One small step that could lead to the lifting of the ridiculous, (potentially) expensive and complex restrictions to entering Thailand. No normal tourist will be prepared to put £2000 aside for an enforced stay in a very expensive hotel just in case they are tested asymptomatic positive for infection with omnicron. Effectively doubling the cost of their holiday

[BusyB]

On 2/18/2022 at 11:25 AM, racyrick said:

What a joke. A CEO with a vested interest in trying to improve his business at the expense of the people's health.

 

Most infections are caught on the second test!!!!

More than likely caught locally, although obviously that's essentially my opinion after applying a little logic.

I imagine the CEO has grasped what the problem is. And doesn't want to be shunting plague planes around the skies either.

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, EricTh said:

Does the Thai government allow home quarantine for mild cases in the case of foreigners? 

 

 

Some say they do but I've seen several reports that its up to local officials. I'm yet to see anything definitive on that and I wouldn't rely on it happening.

[Dene16]

20 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Pre flight PCR achieves nothing, even with a negative test you could become positive between time of test and time of flight.

 

Whilst i agree that one may still test positive between time of test and flight surely the airlines must  have a responsibility to protect their passenger's from any form of sickness.

Due to the variant being extremely contagious would you really want to get on a flight ( in close proximity with others) with a high possibility that you would also become infected and have your holiday ruined for at least a week.

I have caught, what they would determine a mild case of covid,  and although its bearable you have a very sore throat for 3 days , normal cold symptoms and generally tired for maybe 5 days.

The common symptom's normally associated with Covid are,  in a lot of cases no longer found,.

I was informed of this as i had none of them.

[thisisrascal]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Proving what?
 

 

That omicron should not be considered a major concern. I thought that was quite obvious, darling.

Edited February 19, 2022 by thisisrascal

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, thisisrascal said:

 

That omicron should not be considered a major concern. I thought that was quite obvious, darling.

No it wasn't at all.

Your wee story reminds me of a 100 year chain smoker saying that proves smoking is healthy.

Get it now snookums?

[moe666]

On 2/18/2022 at 5:27 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Unfortunately the damage has already been done with the double tap Test and Go. Its going to take a lot more than doing away with the second test now to get any good numbers of real tourists to come. What a complete mess they've made of this entry system.

 

Tourists Returning to Thailand Find Closed Bars, Empty Streets

The country’s attempt to jump-start tourism may be hurt by the absence of the very businesses foreign visitors come for.

 

Thailand’s strict travel regulations, such as requirements to take multiple Covid tests and provide proof of medical insurance with at least $50,000 coverage, will also limit the type of people who come.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-16/pandemic-has-thailand-s-tourists-returning-to-closed-bars-and-empty-streets

I live in CM plenty of bars open, plenty of places for people to have a good time. Do not believe every thing you hear from Bloomberg

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, moe666 said:

I live in CM plenty of bars open, plenty of places for people to have a good time. Do not believe every thing you hear from Bloomberg

How many tourists have been going to CM lately, any figures? Perhaps Bloomberg went to Bangkok, or Phuket where I live and there are tourist figures available. Unless they go to certain districts in Phuket such as Bangla then yes they will find empty streets and closed bars and shopping malls. Central in Patong is still closed, as is Jungceylon an even larger shopping mall full of dozens of closed restaurants, bars and entertainment venues. Still being used as a vaccination center.

 

Food handouts still happening in Phuket by the way because of the shuttered businesses. My daughter was involved in helping at one with her school last week.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[NanaSomchai]

5 hours ago, Captor said:

Sucking money from the tourists to some few hiso´s like owner of hotels and hospitals!

Sucking Money _and_ controlling the masses.

[CG1 Blue]

13 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

I think the best course of action to move forward is to have a 1 night ASQ with a PCR test for those who are fully vaccinated.

In other words you favour them keeping tourists out still? Because no tourist in their right mind would risk testing positive on arrival and having their hard earned holiday ruined. 

The best course of action would be to scrap the pointless arrival tests all together. Omicron is rife in Thailand, so getting a few extra cases arriving on planes will make fek all difference to the bigger picture. 

 

 

 

[gearbox]

11 hours ago, EricTh said:

Does the Thai government allow home quarantine for mild cases in the case of foreigners? 

 

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-hotel-isolation-measures-issued-in-english-82880.php

 

This is only for Phuket, and apparently only relevant to hotels participating in the program. As normal tourists don't have "home" in Thailand, this is probably close to the best they can get.

[thisisrascal]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No it wasn't at all.

Your wee story reminds me of a 100 year chain smoker saying that proves smoking is healthy.

Get it now snookums?

 

I'd like to think you're more intelligent than you're pretending to be. 

 

What we see is that provided you're vaccinated and not already at deaths door then Omicron is nothing to be particularly worried about and this is the case for the overwhelming majority.  The question is should society continue to be ground into dust to protect those who would likely die from influenza anyway? I think not, if you think differently then that's your prerogative. 

Edited February 19, 2022 by thisisrascal