Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[farmerjo]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why? I have already posted the latest announcement published today, your the one that brought up an old article

So the old article should be dismissed,i agree as nothing has been announced yet.

Agree.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

So the old article should be dismissed,i agree as nothing has been announced yet.

Agree.

Isn't that what normally happens when there are updates? Who knows there may even be more in the next few days but rest assured I will post them for you so you are kept informed.

[candide]

2 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Mr Paul said he wanted an inspector general to be appointed to oversee the funds,

 

Sensible,if it was my money i would want the same.

 

 

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

“Mr” Paul has wanted a lot of things in the past much of it featured on Russian RT news along with his father who are both Putin apologists

And "Mr" Paul was showing it again recently! ????

https://www.salon.com/2022/04/26/rand-paul-goes-to-bat-for-putin-the-countries-theyve-attacked-were-part-of-russia/

[2 is 1]

Its done! Deliver tomorrow.

 

[coolcarer]

9 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:

Its done! Deliver tomorrow.

 

Historic moment, they are both done.

 

#BREAKING Finland, Sweden will submit NATO membership bids together on Wednesday: Swedish PM

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1526575448645414912?s=21&t=1cQ1tVHJGnvJc9RSP4Ptsw

 

[2 is 1]

7 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Historic moment, they are both done.

 

#BREAKING Finland, Sweden will submit NATO membership bids together on Wednesday: Swedish PM

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1526575448645414912?s=21&t=1cQ1tVHJGnvJc9RSP4Ptsw

 

Also Finland President and Sweden Prime Minister go together meet Biden tomorrow! All now hand in hand lol

[Chris.B]

 

I am not sure what good Sweden's 6,850 troops is going to do?

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

I am not sure what good Sweden's 6,850 troops is going to do?

They won't have to do anything unless Russia attacks Sweden. If that happens, article 5 gets invoked.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Also Finland President and Sweden Prime Minister go together meet Biden tomorrow! All now hand in hand lol

Sweden’s economy is approximately 50% the size of Russia’s.

 

A not unsubstantial addition to the combined economic power of the combined NATO nations.

 

 

[coolcarer]

ICC sends 'largest-ever' investigative team to Ukraine

 

THE HAGUE: The International Criminal Court on Tuesday (May 17) sent a 42-member team to Ukraine to probe alleged war crimes since the Russian invasionin what it called the largest such deployment in its history.

The squad comprises investigators, forensic experts and support staff and will work with Ukrainian authorities, said Karim Khan, the chief prosecutor of the Hague-based ICC.

"This represents the largest-ever single field deployment by my office since its establishment," Khan said in a statement. The ICC was set up in 2002 to probe the world's worst crimes.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/icc-sends-largest-ever-investigative-team-ukraine-2689911

 

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Chris.B said:

 

I am not sure what good Sweden's 6,850 troops is going to do?

 

 

 

Not sure where this is from but Sweden has more active troops than that and more on the way.

 

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=sweden

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/sweden-to-increase-military-spending-by-40-as-tension-with-russia-grows

 

[metisdead]

An off topic post and a troll post has been reported and removed.

[ballpoint]

Questions have been asked about the usefulness of Sweden's troop numbers, but that isn't what will be disconcerting to Russia.  The greater worry for them will be Swedish naval and airforce superiority, and their use in controlling Russian access to the Baltic, along with coverage of the three Baltic states, particularly given the location of Swedish owned Gotland Island, should Russia cast its eyes on them next:

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Questions have been asked about the usefulness of Sweden's troop numbers, but that isn't what will be disconcerting to Russia.  The greater worry for them will be Swedish naval and airforce superiority, and their use in controlling Russian access to the Baltic, along with coverage of the three Baltic states, particularly given the location of Swedish owned Gotland Island, should Russia cast its eyes on them next:

You're right, I believe those questions on troop numbers were misguided and missed the broader picture including as you pointed out Gotland. A few links below:

 

The island of Gotland may be small - but holds big sway in the defence of Sweden and the Baltic countries faced with Russian aggression. @SiobhanRobbins

reports on Sweden’s growing military defences there ahead of its formal request to join NATO tomorrow

 

Ukraine war: Sweden strengthens military muscle in face of Russian aggression

Sweden is building its defences and Gotland's strategic location in the Baltic Sea gives it a key role. The military hopes to be able to deploy 4,000 troops from the island in wartime and add anti-ship missiles to the arsenal which already includes surface to air missiles.

 

The Gotland class submarines are the deadliest warships ever made. They are only subs in any NATO drills ever to have 'sunk' an American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier - they did this twice. The deadliest subs ever Russian sea plans get tossed overboard

 

Sweden has one of the larger air forces in Europe (over-sized for its population). But for Russian military tactics, Sweden will become only air force in NATO that cannot be neutralized by destroying all its airports and substitute temporary air strips

 

Sweden designed the deadliest short-range anti-aircraft missile system RBS 70, that is a bit heavier, but is guided by laser beam-tracking, and is thus immune to flares.

 

In short Sweden will form an essential role on Nato.

 

Thanks again Putin!!

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Another example of the importance of social media in this war to document war crimes carried out by Putins war of choice

 

Promoting Accountability for War Crimes and Other Atrocities in Ukraine

 

The U.S. Department of State is announcing the launch of a new Conflict Observatory to capture, analyze, and make widely available evidence of Russia-perpetrated war crimes and other atrocities in Ukraine.  The program encompasses the documentation, verification, and dissemination of open-source evidence regarding the actions of Russia’s forces during President Putin’s brutal war of choice.  The Conflict Observatory will analyze and preserve publicly and commercially available information, including satellite imagery and information shared via social media, consistent with international legal standards, for use in ongoing and future accountability mechanisms.

 

https://www.state.gov/promoting-accountability-for-war-crimes-and-other-atrocities-in-ukraine/

 

The US Plan to Document War Crimes in Ukraine

 

The government-funded Conflict Observatory will use open source tools and satellite imagery to gather evidence of human rights violations. “The level of detail and how fast, in some cases, imagery data can be collected means that it could have value for those seeking to target civilians and protected infrastructure like hospitals and shelters,” he says.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/conflict-observatory-ukraine-russia-war-crimes/

[GroveHillWanderer]

12 hours ago, Chris.B said:

I am not sure what good Sweden's 6,850 troops is going to do?

You really don't understand how NATO works, do you?

 

Swedish troops won't (and don't have to) do anything if and when Sweden becomes part of NATO (until or unless one of the member states is attacked).

 

The whole point about NATO, is that it is a collective agreement based on the combined forces of all the member states working together, not just one individual member state.

 

Plus, as others have pointed out, that number seems to be a ridiculously low under-estimate anyway.

[2 is 1]

One thing how some Russian neighbour country's prepare.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/05/15/helsinki-bunkers-finland-nato-russia-fears-robertson-pkg-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/

[2 is 1]

12 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You really don't understand how NATO works, do you?

 

Swedish troops won't (and don't have to) do anything if and when Sweden becomes part of NATO (until or unless one of the member states is attacked).

 

The whole point about NATO, is that it is a collective agreement based on the combined forces of all the member states working together, not just one individual member state.

 

Plus, as others have pointed out, that number seems to be a ridiculously low under-estimate anyway.

Not exactly right. If some country ratify article 5, still every member country can deside what they do to help that country! Only used once when 9 /11 happen, still only USA start operation against al-Qaida (whit some members help). Actually every member country haddle they own defence. But if come under attact then article 5 help to get help from other Nato members. And when all Nordic country's become Nato member we have many helpful country nearby.

[Chris.B]

CNN captures moment secret police find and arrest suspected spy

CNN's Sam Kiley follows Ukraine's secret police as they apprehend a suspected spy who allegedly provided Russian forces details about the Ukrainian military. - CNN

 

Spy gets paid 10 USD for reporting military secrets. 

 

VIDEO:

 

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On a Russian Talk Show, Retired Colonel Stuns Colleagues by Saying Invasion Isn't Going Well

A military analyst on one of Russian state television’s most popular networks left his fellow panelists in stunned silence Monday when he said that the conflict in Ukraine was deteriorating for Russia, giving the kind of honest assessment that is virtually banished from the official airwaves.

“The situation for us will clearly get worse,” Mikhail M. Khodaryonok, a retired colonel and a conservative columnist on military affairs, said during the “60 Minutes” talk-show program on the Rossiya network...

The problems that Khodaryonok referred to, sometimes obliquely, included low morale, the array of Western countries aligned against Russia and the amount of fighters and matériel that Ukraine was assembling.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-talk-show-retired-colonel-184207547.html

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

Not exactly right. If some country ratify article 5, still every member country can deside what they do to help that country!

Nothing that I wrote gainsays that.

[Chris.B]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

On a Russian Talk Show, Retired Colonel Stuns Colleagues by Saying Invasion Isn't Going Well

A military analyst on one of Russian state television’s most popular networks left his fellow panelists in stunned silence Monday when he said that the conflict in Ukraine was deteriorating for Russia, giving the kind of honest assessment that is virtually banished from the official airwaves.

“The situation for us will clearly get worse,” Mikhail M. Khodaryonok, a retired colonel and a conservative columnist on military affairs, said during the “60 Minutes” talk-show program on the Rossiya network...

The problems that Khodaryonok referred to, sometimes obliquely, included low morale, the array of Western countries aligned against Russia and the amount of fighters and matériel that Ukraine was assembling.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-talk-show-retired-colonel-184207547.html

 

 

 

[candide]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

On a Russian Talk Show, Retired Colonel Stuns Colleagues by Saying Invasion Isn't Going Well

A military analyst on one of Russian state television’s most popular networks left his fellow panelists in stunned silence Monday when he said that the conflict in Ukraine was deteriorating for Russia, giving the kind of honest assessment that is virtually banished from the official airwaves.

“The situation for us will clearly get worse,” Mikhail M. Khodaryonok, a retired colonel and a conservative columnist on military affairs, said during the “60 Minutes” talk-show program on the Rossiya network...

The problems that Khodaryonok referred to, sometimes obliquely, included low morale, the array of Western countries aligned against Russia and the amount of fighters and matériel that Ukraine was assembling.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-talk-show-retired-colonel-184207547.html

That's quite interesting. He would not have been allowed to tell that on State TV without support. How could it be explained? The power that be are preparing minds for a change of policy? An influential faction is contesting Putin's decisions?

[candide]

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

Not exactly right. If some country ratify article 5, still every member country can deside what they do to help that country! Only used once when 9 /11 happen, still only USA start operation against al-Qaida (whit some members help). Actually every member country haddle they own defence. But if come under attact then article 5 help to get help from other Nato members. And when all Nordic country's become Nato member we have many helpful country nearby.

In particular, Sweden is Finland's hinterland.

[Bkk Brian]

On 5/12/2022 at 1:43 PM, Bkk Brian said:

I believe Sir David Attenborough has found a new species in Ukraine............................

 

David Attenborough narrates how Russian tanks end their life in Ukraine

 

David Attenborough missed an important part of the life-cycle of a Russian tank in his documentary. Not all pop their turrents to finish their lives, there is evidence here from the infamous Siverskyi Donets river incident that some also prefer drowning.

[2 is 1]

1 hour ago, candide said:

In particular, Sweden is Finland's hinterland.

Finland has belong to Sweden and yes also to Russia . But yes Sweden has not been war in 206 years. And they are behind every other nation to cover possible Russian attack. One war specialist say"Sweden has already hedgehog defence what they get from surraunding country's".

[Bkk Brian]

The atrocities keep revealing themselves, "the stuff of your worst nightmares" in Trostyanets a village close to the Russian border. 

 

After weeks of work, our short film on the evidence of possible war crimes we uncovered is out. Travelled around Kyiv, Sumy regions where we discovered children bound& shot, underground torture chambers & bodies under the rubble for over a month

 

Documentary: The true horror of Russia’s war in Ukraine | On The Ground

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/ukraine-russia-war-crimes-b2080736.html

 

 

[transam]

59 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The atrocities keep revealing themselves, "the stuff of your worst nightmares". 

 

After weeks of work, our short film on the evidence of possible war crimes we uncovered is out. Travelled around Kyiv, Sumy regions where we discovered children bound& shot, underground torture chambers & bodies under the rubble for over a month

 

Documentary: The true horror of Russia’s war in Ukraine | On The Ground

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/ukraine-russia-war-crimes-b2080736.html

 

 

I hope ordinary Russians watch this stuff, if they can, they will realise they are being taken back into the dark ages by a fruitcake, instead of moving forward being like the majority of the rest of Europe, free and integrated ...

 

But, as with other fruitcakes, Hitler, Mussolini etc, their time came...????

 

 

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're right, I believe those questions on troop numbers were misguided and missed the broader picture including as you pointed out Gotland. A few links below:

 

The island of Gotland may be small - but holds big sway in the defence of Sweden and the Baltic countries faced with Russian aggression. @SiobhanRobbins

reports on Sweden’s growing military defences there ahead of its formal request to join NATO tomorrow

 

Ukraine war: Sweden strengthens military muscle in face of Russian aggression

Sweden is building its defences and Gotland's strategic location in the Baltic Sea gives it a key role. The military hopes to be able to deploy 4,000 troops from the island in wartime and add anti-ship missiles to the arsenal which already includes surface to air missiles.

 

The Gotland class submarines are the deadliest warships ever made. They are only subs in any NATO drills ever to have 'sunk' an American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier - they did this twice. The deadliest subs ever Russian sea plans get tossed overboard

 

Sweden has one of the larger air forces in Europe (over-sized for its population). But for Russian military tactics, Sweden will become only air force in NATO that cannot be neutralized by destroying all its airports and substitute temporary air strips

 

Sweden designed the deadliest short-range anti-aircraft missile system RBS 70, that is a bit heavier, but is guided by laser beam-tracking, and is thus immune to flares.

 

In short Sweden will form an essential role on Nato.

 

Thanks again Putin!!

 

 

Gotland is a lot bigger and much better defended than Snake Island, which has caused the Russians so many losses and problems already.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You really don't understand how NATO works, do you?

 

Swedish troops won't (and don't have to) do anything if and when Sweden becomes part of NATO (until or unless one of the member states is attacked).

 

The whole point about NATO, is that it is a collective agreement based on the combined forces of all the member states working together, not just one individual member state.

 

Plus, as others have pointed out, that number seems to be a ridiculously low under-estimate anyway.

The Swedish army troop numbers are up to possibly 16.000 at the moment according to the alternate source I posted but that is very low too and numbers are being increased over the next 4 years. But the navy is quite strong and the air force is too, including about 70 of their own Gripen fighters.