On 11/14/2022 at 2:15 PM, BarraMarra said:

 Where do you think all the hardware is coming from ? Where do you think the sanctions are coming from ? Where do you think the policies to reduce dependance on russia oil/gas are coming from ?

Of course they are involved .

This is what you posted Chelseafan.

 

I'm missing your point.

How come Putin never bothered to visit the ‘liberated’ areas that were annexed by Russia? Maybe because he’s too much of a coward, unlike Zelensky.

 

 

30 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

How come Putin never bothered to visit the ‘liberated’ areas that were annexed by Russia? Maybe because he’s too much of a coward, unlike Zelensky.

 

 

Putin keeping a low profile:

 

Putin wants to cancel his annual press conference for the first time in 10 years, Russian media report

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1592091907056103424

 

After arriving in Indonesia for G20, Russian foreign minister Lavrov was taken to the hospital. Of course Lavrov dismissed this as fake news.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-14/ap-newsalert-indonesian-officials-russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-taken-to-hospital-after-arriving-for-g-20-summit-in

 

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you said " Where do you think the hardware is coming from " software etc and other questions then you said " Of course, there involved in it " Chelseafan.

Winston Churchill was probably the greatest leader during a war with his speeches and leading from the front literally going near the front to show his leadership. Ukraine's President Zelensky is today's, great leader. Not like Putin hiding behind his desk lacking respect and having no confidence in his troops. Today not 2 days after Kherson's liberation he triumphantly strolled into the center of Kherson showing how a leader should lead from the front and speaking in English to the western jurno's whats Putin done? threatened his troops with the firing squad who refuse to fight. 

I had seen this video when it was mentioned earlier in the tread, brutal and sickening, taken down now from twitter. There are no words to describe Prigozhin the head of Wagner other than Barbarian and murderer.

 

Ukraine war: Wagner chief Prigozhin defends brutal killing video

The head of private Russian military group Wagner has defended a brutal video apparently showing the death of a mercenary who defected to Ukraine.

Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin said unverified footage of Yevgeny Nuzhin, 55, being struck with a sledgehammer was "a dog's death for a dog".

The convicted murderer announced in September he had changed sides.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63623285

 

Its also Prigozhin who recently admitted to interfering in the US elections. One of his companies was charged with it in the US although the Justice Department in 2020 moved to dismiss charges against two of the indicted firms, Concord Management and Consulting LLC and Concord Catering, saying they had concluded that a trial against a corporate defendant with no presence in the U.S. and no prospect of meaningful punishment even if convicted would likely expose sensitive law enforcement tools and techniques.

A baiting off topic troll post and a couple of replies have been removed

Russia fired off another couple of missiles on Kyiv today.

 

 

They waited till Lavrov had left Bali. Then fired off over 80 missiles in revenge more civilian homes were destroyed and infastructure.

It's been claimed a Russian missile hit a grain silo in Poland and on the news a NATO meeting is being convened to discuss a response. Is this the beginning of WW3?

Times like this bring the Gulf of Tonkin to my mind.

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's been claimed a Russian missile hit a grain silo in Poland and on the news a NATO meeting is being convened to discuss a response. Is this the beginning of WW3?

Times like this bring the Gulf of Tonkin to my mind.

Two Russian missiles hit NATO member Poland, killing at least two people. The sh*t may have just hit the fan…..

 

 

20 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Two Russian missiles hit NATO member Poland, killing at least two people. The sh*t may have just hit the fan…..

 

 

Putin will say it was an accident and NATO will tell him to be more careful in the future and nothing more will come of it 

The Russian defense minister has said its the West escalating the war and surprise surprise they denied it had nothing to do with it. Zelemsky has said Nato must act due to a Nato member being attacked it makes no difference if it was accidental or deliberate. Fragments of the missile is now being tested to identify it. 

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putin will say it was an accident and NATO will tell him to be more careful in the future and nothing more will come of it 

Of course not. Putin will never admit any involvement.

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putin will say it was an accident and NATO will tell him to be more careful in the future and nothing more will come of it 

sadly enough but have to agree with you

10 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Two Russian missiles hit NATO member Poland, killing at least two people. The sh*t may have just hit the fan…..

 

 

not confirmed yet, it appears it may be something else, investigation under way

Biden doubts missile fired from Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/biden-doubts-missile-fired-russia-030443898.html

 

 

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's been claimed a Russian missile hit a grain silo in Poland and on the news a NATO meeting is being convened to discuss a response. Is this the beginning of WW3?

Times like this bring the Gulf of Tonkin to my mind.

wouldn't expect anything else, besides denial, from the Ruskoffs

WRAPUP 13-Blast kills two in Poland near Ukraine border, Russia denies its weapons involved

https://au.yahoo.com/finance/news/wrapup-12-blast-kills-two-001101252.html

 

Poland blast caused by missile fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile - AP

Nov 16 (Reuters) - Initial findings suggest that the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, Associated Press reported on Wednesday, citing U.S. officials.

https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-blast-caused-by-missile-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-incoming-russian-2022-11-16

Initial reports are saying it was a Ukrainian missile that brought down a Russian incoming Missile. if so must have been a big chunk to form a crater that size that hit the Polish farmer's field.

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Poland blast caused by missile fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile - AP

Nov 16 (Reuters) - Initial findings suggest that the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, Associated Press reported on Wednesday, citing U.S. officials.

https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-blast-caused-by-missile-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-incoming-russian-2022-11-16

Whatever the reason it's still collateral damage from Putin's missile attack on Ukraine,

Russia still needs to bear the responsibility for the blast.

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

Whatever the reason it's still collateral damage from Putin's missile attack on Ukraine,

Russia still needs to bear the responsibility for the blast.

Absolutely, if there had been no mass missile strikes yet again then there would be no need for air defense

Even if it was a shot-down Russian missile Nato can now claim a reason to patrol the skies to prevent incidents like this from happening and if necessary intercept incoming missiles nr Nato borders. 

 

 

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Whatever the reason it's still collateral damage from Putin's missile attack on Ukraine,

Russia still needs to bear the responsibility for the blast.

Lets keep to the facts .

This missile appears to be fired by Ukraine an it was a Ukrainian missile , although Putin is still responsible for the war in general 

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets keep to the facts .

This missile appears to be fired by Ukraine an it was a Ukrainian missile , although Putin is still responsible for the war in general 

And the reason it was fired is because a Russian missile was fired at unoccupied Ukraine. So Putin doesn't just have a general responsibility for the war, he's responsible for that Russian missile being fired.

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets keep to the facts .

This missile appears to be fired by Ukraine an it was a Ukrainian missile , although Putin is still responsible for the war in general 

Where have I deviated from the facts. Nothing is confirmed yet as this is only a preliminary US assessment.

 

"The missile that crashed in Poland on Tuesday, killing two people, was from a Ukrainian air-defense system, according to two senior Western officials briefed on preliminary U.S. assessments, but Poland is continuing its own investigation of the explosion."

 

Missile That Hit Poland Likely Launched by Ukraine in Air Defense, Western Officials Say - WSJ

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets keep to the facts .

This missile appears to be fired by Ukraine an it was a Ukrainian missile , although Putin is still responsible for the war in general 

cause .... who started the war = Russia, shooting missiles all over Ukraine regardless of any collateral damages

effect... innocent people being killed, neighboring countries and the entire world population being negatively affected by his madness