Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[LosLobo]

From Christo Grozev, whose has Bellingcat credentials.....

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by LosLobo

[rabas]

Prigozhin's first public address.

 

Watch Video

 

A bit sobering where he mentions Ukraine but:

 

 1. He previously said the war was contrived by Russian military leadership.

 2. He's addressing Russian people, both for against the war. He must be cautious.

[tgw]

4 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

From looking at the link and posts inside if the feed it looks like a civil war is about to break out in Russia, either that or a serious coup attempt.  One wonders however, if it is not a false flag operation.

who would be conducting that false flag operation with what goal ?

[rabas]

9 minutes ago, tgw said:

who would be conducting that false flag operation with what goal ?

Putin runs a false flag against himself and Russian Military leadership to get rid of them for their failures?  Remember the long table meetings?

 

Hard to know anything in Russia except that it's all a lie,

 

[onthedarkside]

Putin makes a speech.

 

WATCH: These actions a knife in the back of our people, says Putin

President Putin has spoken for the first time since the Wagner mercenary group vowed to topple Russia's military leadership.

 

The Russian president also warns of "inevitable punishment" for those dividing the Russian society.

 

And he says that a counter-terrorism regime is now in place in the capital Moscow and several other regions.

 

In his address to the nation, he urged the consolidation of all forces and said what was happening was "a betrayal" and "a knife in the back of our people".

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142

 

[Poilu]

According to Russian Telegram channels Wagner has now entered Voronezh, disposing of Russian army element sent to confront it. Wagner boss said war was started by Russian elites keen to take control of Ukraine resources. Poutine was going to install one of his family as president of Ukraine in order to facilitate the acquisition of the wealth.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

who would be conducting that false flag operation with what goal ?

It sounds like the false flag operation was conducted by the Wagner group.  They seem to have only headed to Rostov to ensure the air attacks and artillery were directed in the right locations and not on there own soldiers, and that true information be given to the top command (Putin) of the deaths occurring and the loss of ground they had once held.

 

Seems like from watching the latest Twitter feeds, that Prigozhin's first public address insinuates what I wrote above.  False Flag being that folks in the Ukraine are being given the hope that the war will turn into a Russia V Russia Civil war.  Could that happen, sure it could, but unless more filters out and is shown them marching on Moscow, I am not sure what is actually occurring.

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, Poilu said:

According to Russian Telegram channels Wagner has now entered Voronezh, disposing of Russian army element sent to confront it. Wagner boss said war was started by Russian elites keen to take control of Ukraine resources. Poutine was going to install one of his family as president of Ukraine in order to facilitate the acquisition of the wealth.

This is what has always been thought was the end game.  Russia has been growing to big and its food supplies and so on have dwindled.

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

It sounds like the false flag operation was conducted by the Wagner group.  They seem to have only headed to Rostov to ensure the air attacks and artillery were directed in the right locations and not on there own soldiers, and that true information be given to the top command (Putin) of the deaths occurring and the loss of ground they had once held.

 

Seems like from watching the latest Twitter feeds, that Prigozhin's first public address insinuates what I wrote above.  False Flag being that folks in the Ukraine are being given the hope that the war will turn into a Russia V Russia Civil war.  Could that happen, sure it could, but unless more filters out and is shown them marching on Moscow, I am not sure what is actually occurring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

 

a false flag op is a specific kind of deception

[tgw]

30 minutes ago, Poilu said:

According to Russian Telegram channels Wagner has now entered Voronezh, disposing of Russian army element sent to confront it. Wagner boss said war was started by Russian elites keen to take control of Ukraine resources. Poutine was going to install one of his family as president of Ukraine in order to facilitate the acquisition of the wealth.

they seem to be past Voronezh already, according to social media posts, army and police didn't put up much resistance and rather let them through.
they are rolling on the highway, transporting tanks on trucks. they are gunning it to Moscow ... 

[tgw]

Putin ally Lukashenko 'flees Belarus' as Wagner launches coup threatening Moscow

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784011/lukashenko-flees-belarus-russia-coup

[Slip]

[rabas]

New terminology, 'Kremlin soldiers' vs other Russian soldiers.

 

Video: Battle between Wagner and Kremlin soldiers in Voronezh. LINK

 

Edit: same video as above.

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by rabas

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, tgw said:

Putin ally Lukashenko 'flees Belarus' as Wagner launches coup threatening Moscow

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784011/lukashenko-flees-belarus-russia-coup

Now that is pretty interesting to hear.  It was just 2 weeks ago they were playing up Nuclear tactical weapons being transferred to him from Putin.  This is starting to turn into a strange new chapter in Russian history.  Will China now make a move on Siberia?

[tgw]

apparently Russian Air Force is bombing the M4 motorway between Voronezh and Moscow

 

Russia Today's Telegram channel has apparently been shut down for "violating local laws"

[tgw]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Now that is pretty interesting to hear.  It was just 2 weeks ago they were playing up Nuclear tactical weapons being transferred to him from Putin.  This is starting to turn into a strange new chapter in Russian history.  Will China now make a move on Siberia?

I suppose Russia feigned giving Lukashenko full control over nukes so they could threaten to strike Ukraine and then blame Lukashenko. I guess the situation is becoming too hot for him.

[Pink Mist]

Just now, tgw said:

apparently Russian Air Force is bombing the M4 motorway between Voronezh and Moscow

 

Russia Today's Telegram channel has apparently been shut down for "violating local laws"

Let the games begin. Wonder if we will hear what the general civilian population thinks about what is happening.  

[tgw]

 

I'll add some more details for people who think Wagner is just soldiers and ground equipment.

Do you remember Wagner had fighter pilots in this war ?

 

Well, Wagner captured Taganrog Airbase and possibly (probably) Millerovo as well, meaning Wagner probably has access to fighter jets.

 

So far, Wagner has reportedly shot down a Russian helo and a plane

 

Wagner captured Russia's Southern Military District Headquarters and Commanders. If Wagner controls this district, it means it has access to a lot of assets, including strategic ones (nukes). They probably would be unable to detonate them, but Wagner has potentially already come into possession of nukes.

Edited June 24, 2023 by tgw

[LosLobo]

Putin....

 

 

[Poilu]

51 minutes ago, tgw said:

they seem to be past Voronezh already, according to social media posts, army and police didn't put up much resistance and rather let them through.
they are rolling on the highway, transporting tanks on trucks. they are gunning it to Moscow ... 

Conscripts are standing aside to let them pass. The mood is that they have had enough of people in power being careless with their lives.

[ThailandRyan]

Putin is sounding scared and seems to think that he is in control of his people.  I think not.  We will see if the regular Military located in Moscow capitulate or draw that line in the sand.

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Putin is sounding scared and seems to think that he is in control of his people.  I think not.  We will see if the regular Military located in Moscow capitulate or draw that line in the sand.

the thing we don't know is how much of the military is or will be siding with Wagner.

 

General Flustikov moved this morning to take over control of the Ministry of Defence headquarters on Frunzenskaya in Moscow.

 

I doubt a lone general would do something like this, especially a Russian one. Flustikov was GRU, and GRU relations with Wagner are very friendly.

 

Russia's National Guard, the "Rosgvardia" was created by Putin as a kind of Hitlerjugend. So I guess they will be loyal, but will they be ready to right veteran fighters ?

 

it all looks like a large clusterf*ck

Edited June 24, 2023 by tgw

[LosLobo]

1 minute ago, tgw said:

the thing we don't know is how much of the military is or will be siding with Wagner.

 

General Flustikov moved this morning to take over control of the Ministry of Defence headquarters on Frunzenskaya in Moscow.

 

I doubt a lone general would do something like this, especially a Russian on. Flustikov was GRU, and GRU relations with Wagner are very friendly.

 

it all looks like a large clusterf*ck

Seems like the GRU has been usurping the FSB, Putin's private assassins, for sometime.

 

Putin Gives GRU Boosted Role in Ukraine – Report - The Moscow Times

[steven100]

50 minutes ago, tgw said:

Putin ally Lukashenko 'flees Belarus' as Wagner launches coup threatening Moscow

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784011/lukashenko-flees-belarus-russia-coup

just like the coward scoundrel that he is.   someone needs to take him out also ....   come on Wagner, go after him.

[tgw]

Just now, steven100 said:

just like the coward scoundrel that he is.   someone needs to take him out also ....   come on Wagner, go after him.

there are bigger fish to fry, let's not divide Wagner's attention

[Social Media]

Tanks and armed Wagner soldiers take over Rostov streets

 

Extraordinary videos on social media show locals watching Wagner fighters taking tactical positions on the streets of Rostov.

The soldiers are situated around the military headquarters.

 

 

 

[Slip]

1 hour ago, Pink Mist said:

Let the games begin. Wonder if we will hear what the general civilian population thinks about what is happening.  

Looks like not all are in support:

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Poilu said:

According to Russian Telegram channels Wagner has now entered Voronezh, disposing of Russian army element sent to confront it. Wagner boss said war was started by Russian elites keen to take control of Ukraine resources. Poutine was going to install one of his family as president of Ukraine in order to facilitate the acquisition of the wealth.

Reuters also now carrying that, just published:

 

A Russian security source told Reuters that Wagner fighters had also taken control of military facilities in the city of Voronezh, further north on the road towards Moscow.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagner-head-suggests-his-mercenaries-headed-moscow-take-army-leadership-2023-06-24/

[Bkk Brian]

 

Further Wagner units are moving north through Vorenezh Oblast, almost certainly aiming to get to Moscow. With very limited evidence of fighting between Wagner and Russian security forces, some have likely remained passive, acquiescing to Wagner.

 

Over the coming hours, the loyalty of Russia’s security forces, and especially the Russian National Guard, will be key to how the crisis plays out. This represents the most significant challenge to the Russian state in recent times.

 

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1672505632325238784

 

[Pink Mist]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Further Wagner units are moving north through Vorenezh Oblast, almost certainly aiming to get to Moscow. With very limited evidence of fighting between Wagner and Russian security forces, some have likely remained passive, acquiescing to Wagner.

 

Over the coming hours, the loyalty of Russia’s security forces, and especially the Russian National Guard, will be key to how the crisis plays out. This represents the most significant challenge to the Russian state in recent times.

 

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1672505632325238784

 

This grows more curiouser and curiouser. End game of what? Regime change? Ugly way to happen, but then what fate does this place on the Ukraine situation.