48 minutes ago, thai006 said:

no they are women 

Neither.

They are people born male but presenting as female, with a huge individual range of effectiveness. Thais call them women of the second kind.

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Before "Christianisation", the Romans had it good. Sex with everyone and everything. Including their wifes, slaves etc. If not available, a goat would do. Everything perfectly "normal" before "Chrisianisation" and no cause for any "outrage". Not to forget: The Romans were the pillars of "civilisation".

Many also suffered and died from sexually transmitted diseases, so all did not have it "good" 

They also practiced infanticide regularly, which is very uncivilized. 

 

Concerning the OP

Ladyboys are appreciated and loved by many in Pattaya and worldwide AFAIK

 

To ask why is unnecessary, it just is   

 

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No special rights.

Sexual minorities only seek equal rights.

How can one seek equal rights when in no way the respective parties are NOT equal to the majority? 

It is special and convoluted entitled rights that these circus acts seek. 

Why is that?

 

 

12 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Words matter, and I don't see any reason to say things that would make anyone feel bad about who they are just because of their sexual preference, something they have no control over.

As far as I can see, I haven't said anything that would make anyone feel bad about who they are.  Where what I have written can be taken both ways, I've been clear that I am not being derogatory.  I have also said that Gay or Bi people are equal to everyone else.

 

My point overall is that - to repeat what I've said so many times, a ladyboy is not female, he may look female, have breasts, even have his penis cut off and a fake vagina installed but he remains male - therefore anyone who has sexual relations with a ladyboy is either Gay or Bi.

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Ok, well if self identification is what you believe in, then that's a whole different argument. It kind of makes the debate you've had with me and others pretty futile. 

Effectively (from your standpoint) a man could exclusively fancy men, exclusively have sex with men, yet self identify as heterosexual. 

 

Agreed.

 

I identify as Elon Musk - my bank account says otherwise.

 

If self identification of sexualities is going to be accepted - then those odd people who identify as 'ponies' should be considered as such.  I relate that 'deviation' because its connected as its sexual.  Ladyboys have sex with men yet if we are to accept 'self identification' - neither of them is Gay or Bi unless that say they are.  Therefore, the 'ponies' I saw on a TV show a while back must also be accepted - these guys (and girls) have clubs where they often strip naked, put a halter on and pull a little cart around, usually with some sort of 'mistress' in the cart. Some wear horses heads and tails. (Pony Play)

 

Yes, its ridiculous but if we are to accept that a man who has sex with another man, who 'identifies' as a woman can be whatever he 'identifies' as (including heterosexual) - we must also accept that men are actually ponies if they 'identify' as such.

 

Just popping out for some hay.

On 5/7/2022 at 2:27 PM, Ohyesuare said:

I'm not sure about that. There are some men who go with ladyboys and ladies but are not attracted to men at all so saying they have gay tendencies doesn't seem quite right. 

You can call them anything you want but ladyboys have the XY chromosome. So what do they call men who are attracted to men and men who are attracted to women and men ?

17 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

If self identification of sexualities is going to be accepted - 

I'm going with Black Asian Lesbian  ...  ????

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body....

4 hours ago, thai006 said:

no they are women 

Science says men

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

Agreed.

 

I identify as Elon Musk - my bank account says otherwise.

 

If self identification of sexualities is going to be accepted - then those odd people who identify as 'ponies' should be considered as such.  I relate that 'deviation' because its connected as its sexual.  Ladyboys have sex with men yet if we are to accept 'self identification' - neither of them is Gay or Bi unless that say they are.  Therefore, the 'ponies' I saw on a TV show a while back must also be accepted - these guys (and girls) have clubs where they often strip naked, put a halter on and pull a little cart around, usually with some sort of 'mistress' in the cart. Some wear horses heads and tails. (Pony Play)

 

Yes, its ridiculous but if we are to accept that a man who has sex with another man, who 'identifies' as a woman can be whatever he 'identifies' as (including heterosexual) - we must also accept that men are actually ponies if they 'identify' as such.

 

Just popping out for some hay.

Im a Boeing 747

5 hours ago, thai006 said:

no they are women 

No they are not,they are men who think they are women or would like to be women,,but no matter what you think or would like,if you are born a man or a woman you will die a man or a woman.

Just because a dog is born in a stable,it does not make him a horse. 

Sorry if this is not the" correct" way to think,

9 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

No they are not,they are men who think they are women or would like to be women,,but no matter what you think or would like,if you are born a man or a woman you will die a man or a woman.

Just because a dog is born in a stable,it does not make him a horse. 

Sorry if this is not the" correct" way to think,

Right again Bert but like I said you're just chasing your tail.

 

You can't educate those who choose not to listen.

 

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Science says men

"Science" says whatever the intelligentsia wants it to say at any given moment. 

3 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

How can one seek equal rights when in no way the respective parties are NOT equal to the majority? 

It is special and convoluted entitled rights that these circus acts seek. 

Why is that?

 

 

Hate speech unworthy of a reply.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Hate speech unworthy of a reply.

Yet you feel compelled to reply, even though you have no real response. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

"Science" says whatever the intelligentsia wants it to say at any given moment. 

Sounds like the ignorant anti science rhetoric of political populism.

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

"Science" says whatever the intelligentsia wants it to say at any given moment. 

Basic hormones

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet you feel compelled to reply, even though you have no real response. 

My reply was to call it out as blatant hate speech.

 

If a person is verbally assaulted on the street with a hateful slur, there is then no point in engaging in a civil discussion.

Again, a straight man who has sex with a LB attracted by her feminine aspects is still a straight man after the sex even if you do label it physically as gay sex.

 

Salient points:

 

The most important sex organ is the brain.

 

Sex acts are NOT the same thing as ORIENTATION!

 

Anal sex happens in gay and straight sex.

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

My reply was to call it out as blatant hate speech.

Without explaining why, which is intellectually lazy. 

 

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If a person is verbally assaulted on the street with a hateful slur, there is then no point in engaging in a civil discussion.

No, you either ignore them, or take them to task, yes? You wouldn't call them a name and run away, would you? 

Just now, Jingthing said:

Again, a straight man who has sex with a LB attracted by her feminine aspects is still a straight man after the sex even if you do label it physically as gay sex.

 

Salient points:

 

The most important sex organ is the brain.

 

Sex acts are NOT the same thing as ORIENTATION!

 

Anal sex happens in gay and straight sex.

So is a gay man that is attracted to effeminate men really a heterosexual pretending to be gay? 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Without explaining why, which is intellectually lazy. 

 

No, you either ignore them, or take them to task, yes? You wouldn't call them a name and run away, would you? 

It was obvious.

I did NOT call that person a name.  Stop lying.. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

So is a gay man that is attracted to effeminate men really a heterosexual pretending to be gay? 

No.

Sorry if the complexities of human sexuality are too overwhelming for you.

Those are two different things.

Some gay men do like femme gay men.

That's gay all the way.

A straight man attracted to the female qualities of a LB does not magically become bi or gay upon sex with the LB.

Depends on who likes what...     if "that man" is a giver, or a receiver 

 

A man knows what a man wants 

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again, a straight man who has sex with a LB attracted by her feminine aspects is still a straight man after the sex even if you do label it physically as gay sex.

 

Salient points:

 

The most important sex organ is the brain.

 

Sex acts are NOT the same thing as ORIENTATION!

 

Anal sex happens in gay and straight sex.

The salient points were ok, but the first part is a bit ting tong, an LB is usually obviously a man and has masculine features including a penis, it's not as if you are attracted to an LB that you didn't know was an LB

16 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

The salient points were ok, but the first part is a bit ting tong, an LB is usually obviously a man and has masculine features including a penis, it's not as if you are attracted to an LB that you didn't know was an LB

The object of the straight man's desire is a DIFFERENT category of woman but it is still heterosexual desire according to his orientation wiring. Some men like lots of variety in their women. Could be many races, fat, thin, short, tall, handicapped, etc   For some straight men that drive for variety includes LBs.

 

I dont say that any guy who has sex with a ladyboy is gay,but he is bi ,very likely would not have sex with a gay man,but with a ladyboy its different, but as straight man i couldnt as i am sur other straight men couldnt.

But we could discuss this for a thousand pages and we will never all agree.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The object of the straight man's desire is a DIFFERENT category of woman but it is still heterosexual desire according to his orientation wiring. Some men like lots of variety in their women. Could be many races, fat, thin, short, tall, handicapped, etc   For some straight men that drive for variety includes LBs.

 

Yes but all those ,fat,thin,short,tall,handicapped were born women,and were not born as a man.

Strictly Gay men do not go in for ladyboys they are into men who present as men

Ladyboys are actually women inside. They tend to go for straight men. are there lesbian ladyboy? 

Some straight men are the ones into ladyboys, must be many of them.

https://ladyboyway.com/blog/does-it-mean-your-gay-if-you-like-ladyboys/

8 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I dont say that any guy who has sex with a ladyboy is gay,but he is bi ,very likely would not have sex with a gay man,but with a ladyboy its different, but as straight man i couldnt as i am sur other straight men couldnt.

But we could discuss this for a thousand pages and we will never all agree.

So according to you because I touched a yoni in my past I sm bi, not gay. No!

 

Again.

 

Sex acts are not the same as sexual orientation!

 

You're right about never agreeing.