1 hour ago, Captain Monday said:

I ADORE the little tomboys at 7/11 with short hair and no make up. Very cute.Don't think they go in for straight middle aged Farangs either.

This being Thailand, I'm sure you could find one who was willing to sleep with you in exchange for money. If that's your bag. But you'd probably have to network a little.

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Except for Asian men in dresses and makeup ????

But I get what you're saying, i.e. you don't fancy men who present as men, and your honesty on this thread is refreshing and welcome. 

 

Exactly. He only likes effeminate men, as do many gay men. 

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Exactly. He only likes effeminate men, as do many gay men. 

Ladyboys and effeminate men are not the same. Ladyboys typically identify as female and seek straight men. Effeminate men can be straight or gay and typically identify as males.

I'm not sure anyone has changed their mind on this thread but it was interesting nonetheless

4 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

some people like Elvis, some like the Beatles... some like both. 

 

I met a guy, army macho type, who liked both ladies and lady boys... He considered ladyboys fascinating and like a third sex... maybe like Little Richard.  wrong

I will never accept that anyone knowingly having sex with a ladyboy is

heteralsexual. Nothing wrong with ladyboys as I have spoken to them and they have seemed ok.

23 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I will never accept that anyone knowingly having sex with a ladyboy is

heteralsexual. Nothing wrong with ladyboys as I have spoken to them and they have seemed ok.

Don't accept it then.

You're obviously wrong but I think the earth will keep rotating regardless.

 

 

41 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not sure anyone has changed their mind on this thread but it was interesting nonetheless

Yes. Nobody. 

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't accept it then.

You're obviously wrong but I think the earth will keep rotating regardless.

 

How is it he is obviously wrong, because you say he his? 

 

I would bet that an honest poll of heterosexuals would that at least 99% would consider a guy that has ongoing sex with people he knows are men pretending to be women is not a heterosexual. 

 

I assume there may be heterosexual men that have tried it, just like there are heterosexuals that try homosexual sex, and homosexuals that try heterosexual sex but ultimately decide it's not for them.

 

I would never say that any man that has had sex with another man is not heterosexual.

 

7 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Sorry but that is not evidence.

11 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Sorry but that is not evidence.

Yes no matter what they think,the one who had the baby is and always will be a woman ,albeit with a beard

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not about biology- it's about how someone identifies themselves.

Unless one understands that, IMO they will never understand the topic.

I both disagree and agree. 

 

For the general public and legally/officially - the biological sex is factual.

 

For the LB, if he wishes to identify himself as female - that's up to him in his world. That identity cannot be forced on others.  I could tell you that I'm black - I may wish to identify as such.  I could wear a puffa jacket and have my hair in dreadlocks - just as a ladyboy wears make up and grows his hair but it would be clear that I am white.  I would not be black legally or officially either.

 

As I said in an earlier post - there are people that practice Pony Play - the most extreme of those are adamant that they are a horse trapped in a human body.  They identify as a horse - should we accept that they are a horse?  I was poo pooed on that point by another poster who said something like humans cannot be animals so the discussion here is different.

 

Of course a man cannot be a horse but that poster (deliberately) missed my point - a man cannot be a woman either.  That is so biologically, legally and officially - how he sees himself is up to him.

 

I will put it this way:  Let's say that homosexual acts were illegal in a particular country (as they indeed are in some countries). If a male was caught having sex with a ladyboy or indeed any other male who 'identified' as female, do you think his defence that the person he had sex with indentified as female, therefore he could not be guilty would be accepted?  It would not - he had sex with a male.

 

Before anyone gets the huff - the above is purely an example.  I do not agree with those countries that ban homosexual sex.

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Yes no matter what they think,the one who had the baby is and always will be a woman ,albeit with a beard

What I would want to see is the facts from an official source.  The 'man' in the photo could be transexual and still have female organs. You also don't have to be a genius at Photoshop to create such a photo.

4 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

What I would want to see is the facts from an official source.  The 'man' in the photo could be transexual and still have female organs. You also don't have to be a genius at Photoshop to create such a photo.

Looks like a woman going through a sex change including breast reduction, no big deal

11 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Looks like a woman going through a sex change including breast reduction, no big deal

I understand kidney stones can be extremely uncomfortable when passed through the penis.  When I see that vid of a man delivering a baby out his penis, then yes, I'll become a believer of a 'man having a baby'

 

Until then, only women give birth.

6 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

I ADORE the little tomboys at 7/11 with short hair and no make up. Very cute.Don't think they go in for straight middle aged Farangs either.

One of these days, I'm going to offer a tomboy money -- for advice on how to attract gorgeous women. So many of them have hot girlfriends. I could relate to some of them, too. A pretty co-worker dated a tomboy for a while just for the financial benefit, then resumed dating guys.

This discussion has probably run its course - there will clearly never be any agreement on gender idenity.  Indeed, in an ever changing world we are expected to accept things that were not biologically, physically or metally correct on a regular basis.  Its getting ridiculous and the number of groups/movements that demand political correctness and equality seems to be ever growing.

 

The foundations of such movements had their points - partticularly in terms of colour and equality. Things did indeed need changing and in some cases still do. It was and still is a fact that we live in a male dominated world and one where colour is still discriminated against.

 

However, its my belief that we are now going too far. There are a growing number of cases where famous pop singers have objected to being described as 'he', 'him', 'she' or 'her'  They claim their sex is non binary and object to being called by a term that defines their gender.

 

I may be a dinosaur and may well become in the minority at some point but I am a firm believer that all people are equal, regardless of their race, colour, creed or gender. However, when things go so far that biological and physical facts are ignored and substituted for personal opinions and feelings - life really becomes bizarre. Nothing is real and little can be relied upon as the truth. Vast areas of life become fluid.

 

On TV just now there was a story about religious images - stone carvings, being stolen from Angkor Wat in Cambodia.  It was stated that those carvings are regarded as living gods by Cambodian people.  Are they? Or are they just stone carvings?  They may have immense religious value but they are certainly not alive, regardless of how the Cambodians consider them. Perhaps at some stage we will be expected to accept those carvings are alive.

 

Relating the above to the issue here - we are asked to accept that someone's sex is determined by how they feel about it.  Yes, I am using an extreme example but there are countries where sex with what most of us would consider minors, is legal - indeed Mohamed himself is said to have had a 9 year old bride.  It is of course, abhorent to the vast majority of people that men have sex with children but in those countries where it is practiced they clearly think otherwise.  Are we to accept that its fine because we have to take account of differences?  Where is the line to be drawn and who draws it?

 

I make no excuse for using such an extreme example - I do so to illustrate the crazy situation we are faced with. Various groups regularly complain that they are being unfairly treated and discriminated against in terms of race, gender etc.  Their issues often include identity and they demand changes.  How long will it be before people in the more extreme groups start making demands? How will their claims be determined and who will be in a position to do so?

 

When we go from a clear identity to having to accept that a male can be female if that's how they wish to identify - well its just madness.  I can't speak for others but when I say a Ladyboy is male - in no way am I being derogatory and neither is there any underlying inference that they are a lesser being - I really don't see the problem.

 

People who are born as one gender but wish to be considered as the opposite clearly have a problem but that problem is mental not physical. There is nothinng within their bodies that causes them to feel female - the body itself is incapable of thought - the confusion is mental.  I don't think its known what causes this confusion and I doubt there's anything that can be done about it.  The Ladyboy would probably refuse any form of treatment in any case as they consider themselves female.

 

Neither should anything be done about it either - they have a perfect right to live their lives as a woman if they so wish.  However whatever they feel, they are not female and any man who has sex with them is either Gay or Bi.  I would however comment that I saw a report on the BBC last year where it appears a major problem facing the NHS in the UK at the moment is people who have had gender re-assignment now wanting to be changed back.  Clearly living as the opposite sex or even having surgery doesn't always solve the mental problems they are dealing with.

 

However, one point I will concede - it is clear that some, if not most men who are attracted to Ladyboys are not Gay or Bi in the generally accepted definition.  We have heard from at least 2 posters that they are not interested in males per se - only Ladyboys. There is a clear need to widen those definitions.

 

Nevertheless the sex that takes place is homosexual sex but their explanation probably answers the OP's original question.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How is it he is obviously wrong, because you say he his? 

 

I would bet that an honest poll of heterosexuals would that at least 99% would consider a guy that has ongoing sex with people he knows are men pretending to be women is not a heterosexual. 

 

I assume there may be heterosexual men that have tried it, just like there are heterosexuals that try homosexual sex, and homosexuals that try heterosexual sex but ultimately decide it's not for them.

 

I would never say that any man that has had sex with another man is not heterosexual.

 

Why?

Facts.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people

 

Sexual attraction to transgender people has been the subject of scientific study and social commentary. Psychologists have researched sexual attraction toward trans women, cross dressers, non-binary people, and a combination of these. Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual. 

On 5/7/2022 at 5:37 PM, scubascuba3 said:

I have no problem with people being attracted to LBs, of course not, i find them a turn off and I'm professional at spotting them. This thread is like all the others, no one admits to liking them and discussing why they do, maybe they don't like talking about it

With some of the attitudes in this very thread that's hardly surprising.

3 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I will never accept that anyone knowingly having sex with a ladyboy is

heteralsexual. Nothing wrong with ladyboys as I have spoken to them and they have seemed ok.

I don't think anyone is waiting for your acceptance... and how nice of you to chat them up... 

On 5/7/2022 at 5:37 PM, scubascuba3 said:

I have no problem with people being attracted to LBs, of course not, i find them a turn off and I'm professional at spotting them. This thread is like all the others, no one admits to liking them and discussing why they do, maybe they don't like talking about it

I freely admit to not being attracted to them because I'm gay.

 

Of course obviously most of their fans are straight guys.

 

Bless all of their dear hearts.

 

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why?

Facts.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people

 

Sexual attraction to transgender people has been the subject of scientific study and social commentary. Psychologists have researched sexual attraction toward trans women, cross dressers, non-binary people, and a combination of these. Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual. 

"Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual." 

 

I find it hilarious that some bone-head had to do a study to determine this. I don't doubt for a moment that guys that have sex with with men that pretend to be women like to "...identify as heterosexual...". Neither does it surprise me that people make money doing studies that "prove" it.  

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I freely admit to not being attracted to them because I'm gay.

 

Of course obviously most of their fans are straight guys.

 

Bless all of their dear hearts.

 

 

 

 

 

Except most disagree they are straight

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

"Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual." 

 

I find it hilarious that some bone-head had to do a study to determine this. I don't doubt for a moment that guys that have sex with with men that pretend to be women like to "...identify as heterosexual...". Neither does it surprise me that people make money doing studies that "prove" it.  

They are heterosexual.

Sex acts are not the same as sex orientation.

I understand that anti intellectual, anti science, anti truth political populists mock scientific studies. After all,  why bother with science when we can just rely on knee JERK reactions?

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Except most disagree they are straight

Irrelevant even if true.

What matters is the objective reality which is that most indeed are straight.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Why?

Facts.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people

 

Sexual attraction to transgender people has been the subject of scientific study and social commentary. Psychologists have researched sexual attraction toward trans women, cross dressers, non-binary people, and a combination of these. Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual. 

Only 4 options mouth, penis, vagina and bum.

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Irrelevant even if true.

What matters is the objective reality which is that most indeed are straight.

That's your view only, going round in circles again on this thread, pointless really

4 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Only 4 options mouth, penis, vagina and bum.

Thanks for sharing the Holey Trinity.

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

That's your view only, going round in circles again on this thread, pointless really

Nothing matters. Why discuss anything innit.

I have come to the firm conclusion that  insisting that straight men that fancy LBs can't be straight is rooted in garden variety homophobia and transphobia. Thus worthless. Not based on reality, Based on hard wired prejudiced emotions.

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They are heterosexual.

Sex acts are not the same as sex orientation.

I understand that anti intellectual, anti science, anti truth political populists mock scientific studies. After all,  why bother with science when we can just rely on knee JERK reactions?

Yes, as long as you assume they are whatever they claim they are. 

 

The man that has sex with lady-boys is clearly as much a heterosexual as the lady-boy is a women. 

 

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