Texas governor: 15 killed in school shooting; gunman dead

[jvs]

3 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

 

Background check. Okay. 

 

Do you have any evidence to show he WOULDN'T HAVE passed a background check, had there been one? 

 

And if he HADN'T passed a background check, can you provide proof he COULDN'T HAVE just picked them up on the street, instead? 

 

That he DIDN'T have a friend or acqaintance who would have sold him guns anyway? 

 

That he DIDN'T know anyone he could have stolen them from? 

 

You see, this claim...... 

 

"A back ground check in this case would have saved the lives of 21 people." 

 

............ is just bullhooey.

 

It's an emotional declarative statement that in 5 seconds I was able to show.......... not one way, but FOUR ways.......... is not necessarily true! 

 

But let me gat back to the question above:

 

Do you have any evidence to show he WOULDN'T HAVE passed a background check, had there been one? 

Do you have any evidence he would have passed a back ground check?

Just asking,

 

[Joe Farang]

How is it possible in any country that an 18yr old can buy military style weapons on their birthday, but cannot go for a few pints with family and friends.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I stated a fact not a solution. No normal, sane person would ever do a mass shooting. I don't believe any gun laws will have any effect on stopping this kind of evil.

Funny, it has in other countries. Are you saying that Americans are particularly evil and that's why it won't work?

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

So-called "Assault Weapons" WERE banned. Contrary to your assertion, the benefit that came from that was zero. 

 

But here's a little wisdom for you.......... 

 

Assumptions are always wrong. Always. 

 

When you use that process and get it right, that's called a deduction, not an assumption. 

 

I am deducing, not assuming. 

 

*wink*

 

Cheers! 

Yet again a gun massacre was carried out using the ubiquitous far right mass murderer choice of weapon. I'll leave it up to readers to guess which gun it was but it shouldn't be too hard, it's the one used almost every time.

[Neeranam]

Any American who is for keeping their guns should be ashamed. 

 

Change the Constitution, this isn't Dodge City anymore.

[bbko]

Sadly, the right wingnuts think the only solution out of this now every week mass shooting massacre is by putting more guns on the street. What a F'up way of thinking.

[Neeranam]

In the last 2 weeks, 30 kids have been killed by guys not old enough to by a beer, yet can buy guns. Wake up Biden and do something. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

In the last 2 weeks, 30 kids have been killed by guys not old enough to by a beer, yet can buy guns. Wake up Biden and do something. 

 

 

He needs 10 republican votes in the senate. Not even close. It is NOT Biden's fault at all. It's the republicans. 

 

Next ... 

[Jingthing]

It's time to take thoughts and prayers and "it's not the right time to talk about this" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Jingthing

[onthedarkside]

Gunman bought two rifles, hundreds of rounds in days before massacre

 

Family, friends say Uvalde shooter had troubled home life, was bullied for a speech impediment and lashed out in recent years.

The gunman in Tuesday’s elementary school massacre was a lonely 18-year-old who was bullied over a childhood speech impediment, suffered from a fraught home life and lashed out violently against peers and strangers recently and over the years, friends and relatives said.

 

In the days after his May 16 birthday, he legally bought the weapons and ammunition he’d use to wage war on grade-schoolers in Uvalde, Tex.

 

Authorities said Salvador Rolando Ramos shot and critically wounded his grandmother. He then went on a shooting rampage at Robb Elementary School near his home, killing at least 19 children and two adults and injuring others.

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gunman/

 

 

[onthedarkside]

Texas Massacre Is the Second-Deadliest School Shooting on Record

 

The death toll continues to mount in the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, but already it is the second-deadliest shooting at an elementary, middle or high school on record in the United States.

 

At least 19 students and two adults have been confirmed dead in the attack, according to the police, who said they subsequently shot and killed the gunman, whom they identified as Salvador Ramos, 18, a student at a nearby high school.

 

(more)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/24/us/texas-school-shooting-deaths.html

 

 

[Jingthing]

We now know the shooter intended to hit an elementary school. There was speculation before that the target was more accidental as he had crashed his car near it. He got past armed security (three people, a very fast learner with the guns) and was in there slaughtering for 30 minutes before being stopped. The fact that law enforcement gave him 30 minutes in there is incredible and is destined to be a topic of much investigation. It is not known yet whether he had attended that school himself.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Jingthing

[onthedarkside]

How world leaders are reacting to the Uvalde shooting

 

Officials around the world are responding to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, the deadliest such incident to take place in the U.S. in nearly a decade.

 

In emotional remarks late Tuesday, President Biden characterized it as a uniquely American tragedy.

 

"They have mental health problems, they have domestic disputes in other countries," he said. "They have people who are lost. But these kinds of mass shootings never happen with the kind of frequency that they happen in America. Why?"

 

(more)

 

https://www.npr.org/live-updates/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-05-25-2022#how-world-leaders-are-reacting-to-the-uvalde-shooting

 

[bendejo]

The way these things worked during the Obama years:  a day or 2 after the incident the word would go out "he's coming for your guns!"  Within days the store shelves would bare, arms & ammo gone.  Happened every time.  Check the business news sources for how well arms manufacturers did in those times: one might even get the impression they saw these incidents as positive.  Remington just might spring back from the Sandy Hook lawsuits.

 

What?  Something I can agree with a certain former president on?

 

Amazing how this has managed to be kept under wraps for so long.

Oh, and Obama never came for the guns.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by bendejo

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  If you are going to cite statistics, they need to be backed up by a credible source.  

 

[onthedarkside]

Facebook rejects Abbott allegation about Texas shooter’s posts

 

Facebook is denying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) allegation that the gunman who killed 21 people, including 19 children, at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday posted publicly about the attack on its platform.

 

Abbott said during a press conference Wednesday that the gunman, Salvador Ramos, posted three times before the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

...

Facebook spokesperson Andy Stone said shortly after those comments that the messages described by the governor were “private one-to-one text messages that were discovered after the terrible tragedy occurred.”

 

(more)

 

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3501522-facebook-rejects-abbott-allegation-about-texas-shooters-posts/

 

[onthedarkside]

Trump says he will still speak at NRA conference in Texas after school shooting

Former President Trump confirmed on Wednesday that he will still be speaking at a National Rifle Association (NRA) conference this weekend after a shooting on Tuesday that took place less than 300 miles away from the site of the event left 19 children and two adults dead.

 

“America needs real solutions and real leadership in this moment, not politicians and partnership,” Trump said in a post made on his social media platform Truth Social.

...

Other lawmakers who were named as speakers for the forum, however, will not be attending. A spokesperson for Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) told The Hill that “prior to the tragedy in Uvalde we had already informed the NRA he would not be able to speak due to an unexpected change in his schedule.” A spokesperson for Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) similarly told Politico that the lawmaker had notified the NRA of a schedule conflict before the shooting.

 

(more)

 

https://thehill.com/news/administration/3501275-trump-says-he-will-still-speak-at-nra-conference-in-texas-after-school-shooting/

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

The way these things worked during the Obama years:  a day or 2 after the incident the word would go out "he's coming for your guns!"  Within days the store shelves would bare, arms & ammo gone.  Happened every time.  Check the business news sources for how well arms manufacturers did in those times: one might even get the impression they saw these incidents as positive.  Remington just might spring back from the Sandy Hook lawsuits.

 

What?  Something I can agree with a certain former president on?

 

Amazing how this has managed to be kept under wraps for so long.

Oh, and Obama never came for the guns.

 

 

Just riffing by trump. To enact something like that, such a policy needs to be legislated. It never was and he never advocated that it should be. NRA would never allow it either.  A stopped clock is correct twice a day.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

35 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

Trump says he will still speak at NRA conference in Texas after school shooting

Former President Trump confirmed on Wednesday that he will still be speaking at a National Rifle Association (NRA) conference this weekend after a shooting on Tuesday that took place less than 300 miles away from the site of the event left 19 children and two adults dead.

 

“America needs real solutions and real leadership in this moment, not politicians and partnership,” Trump said in a post made on his social media platform Truth Social.

...

Other lawmakers who were named as speakers for the forum, however, will not be attending. A spokesperson for Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) told The Hill that “prior to the tragedy in Uvalde we had already informed the NRA he would not be able to speak due to an unexpected change in his schedule.” A spokesperson for Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) similarly told Politico that the lawmaker had notified the NRA of a schedule conflict before the shooting.

 

(more)

 

https://thehill.com/news/administration/3501275-trump-says-he-will-still-speak-at-nra-conference-in-texas-after-school-shooting/

We can't be having partnership. 

[metisdead]

A post with unattributed content has been removed, "google that if you want the article" is not a valid link to the source of information. 

[balo]

There is nothing you can do to change stupidity.  

Nearly all the school shootings happens in the US, I wonder why ?  


 

[Excel]

I find it absolutely appalling that some posters on here have set there sights on deriding or supporting the likes of Obama and Trump when the subject matter is the terrible murders of 19 children and two teachers.

 

It illustrates to me that most Americans , and I assume most of the the Obama/Trump supporters/protagonists are Americans, can as usual wash over the tragic facts and introduce  ancillary arguments. The fact of the matter is, ever since the right to bear arms was written into the American constitution it has encouraged homicidal maniacs and the legal mechanisms to own firearms for mindless human slaughter to continue. One would have thought a nation that continuously complains about human rights in other countries, irrespective of the president in charge, would put their own house in order first. 

What a shame the US do not give such a high priority in protecting the human rights of the kids and other innocents who have been murdered and will be murdered in the future.

I can not imagine what trauma the parents and families of those murdered people are now going through but have to ask the question;- Do any of those parents or family members own guns themselves ? if so perhaps they should question their own accountability for such tragedies

Edited May 26, 2022 by Excel

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, Excel said:

I find it absolutely appalling that some posters on here have set there sights on deriding or supporting the likes of Obama and Trump when the subject matter is the terrible murders of 19 children and two teachers.

 

It illustrates to me that most Americans , and I assume most of the the Obama/Trump supporters/protagonists are Americans, can as usual wash over the tragic facts and introduce  ancillary arguments. The fact of the matter is, ever since the right to bear arms was written into the American constitution it has encouraged homicidal maniacs and the legal mechanisms to own firearms for mindless human slaughter to continue. One would have thought a nation that continuously complains about human rights in other countries, irrespective of the president in charge, would put their own house in order first. 

 Agreed, Americans prioritize the personal value of freedom, at all costs it seems.  

[Excel]

Just now, Neeranam said:

 Agreed, Americans prioritize the personal value of freedom, at all costs it seems.  

Being a cynic is it the value they put on freedom, or is it the value they put on arms sales and the profits made that takes priority in such a society as theirs ?

[LarrySR]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Just riffing by trump. To enact something like that, such a policy needs to be legislated. It never was and he never advocated that it should be. NRA would never allow it either.  A stopped clock is correct twice a day.

Smith Wesson stock gained 1,000% during the Obama years as right wing media convinced the "rubes" that Obama was gonna take the guns.

[LarrySR]

3 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Trump says he will still speak at NRA conference in Texas after school shooting

Former President Trump confirmed on Wednesday that he will still be speaking at a National Rifle Association (NRA) conference this weekend after a shooting on Tuesday that took place less than 300 miles away from the site of the event left 19 children and two adults dead.

 

“America needs real solutions and real leadership in this moment, not politicians and partnership,” Trump said in a post made on his social media platform Truth Social.

...

Other lawmakers who were named as speakers for the forum, however, will not be attending. A spokesperson for Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) told The Hill that “prior to the tragedy in Uvalde we had already informed the NRA he would not be able to speak due to an unexpected change in his schedule.” A spokesperson for Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) similarly told Politico that the lawmaker had notified the NRA of a schedule conflict before the shooting.

 

(more)

 

https://thehill.com/news/administration/3501275-trump-says-he-will-still-speak-at-nra-conference-in-texas-after-school-shooting/

The NRA is writing his speech right now.

Let me take a wild guess. "Thoughts and prayers to the victims and more guns make us safer."

[ozimoron]

 

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/11/17345214/australia-mass-shooting-margaret-river-osmington

 

Australia marks 25 years since worst mass shooting

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-marks-25-years-since-worst-mass-shooting-2021-04-28/

 

https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-06/draft_of_trends_issues_paper_mass_shootings_and_firearm_control_comparing_australia_and_the_united_states_submitted_to_peer_review.pdf

 

After Mass Gun Killings, Other Nations Changed Course — to Notable Effect

Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway: All had a culture of gun ownership, and all tightened restrictions anyway. Their violence statistics now diverge sharply from those of the U.S.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html

 

Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia's gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here.

Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman, University of Sydney

 

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  Stay on topic, please. 

 

[Credo]

The mantra about guns not killing people, it's people killing people will be trotted out and repeated ad nauseam.  Those little jingle may sound nice but it is completely wrong.  They will (actually already have) started defending guns.  The guns used in this shooting is a weapon of war.  It has one purpose and that is to kill large numbers of people.   You don't use it for hunting game, it's used for hunting and killing people in large numbers.   It has no other purpose.   

 

[LarrySR]

Smith Wesson and ammo manufacturing Vista Outdoor stocks +7% today. 
A typical rush to the gun store that happens after every mass slaughter. 

“Biden is gonna take your guns” will be repeated over and over and over again on Fox the next 2 years and send these stocks to the moon. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by LarrySR