Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[candide]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

I think you are wrong. I watch Fox news - and Tucker ???? - and most all of the commentators and guests on there say that those responsible for the rioting in the building should be held responsible and punished. The problem with the 'hearing' is it is about as much TV nonsense as the recent Clinton Susmann fiasco judgements of a man clearly guilty ! Even Tucker agrees with the prosecution of the rioters ! The right is agreeing with the prosecution of them - but you never see that response by the left Biden cronies ! Fox just wont cover one-sided nonsense.

 

Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ? The left are just as much to blame as any right wingers that took part by ignoring any threat - will we see that on the 'hearing'. Will the left be prosecuted for failure to act ? 

 

Meanwhile not a sausage over the BLM riots, murders and mass pilfering ! Here's hoping that when useless Biden loses the senate and house that the right now starts the prosecution of all those on the left for ignoring riots and fanning the flames of the BLM

 

 

 

Your post absolutely confirms you are watching Fox News and Tucker ????

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/02/donald-trump/no-proof-trump-requested-10000-guard-troops-jan-6-/

 

On top of it, as Lacessit's post shows, Trump even tried to prevent calling troops!

 

Actually, it was Pence who ultimately called troops

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/06/10/pence-not-trump-asked-guard-troops-to-help-defend-capitol-on-jan-6-panel-says/

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, PuaSai said:

This NY MAG Rag is a joke and all this January 6 stuff is preempted propaganda  for the November elections.  The demonrats know they have done a <deleted> job so far and are panicking they will lose many seats because of their ineptness.

What planet are you from? The January 6 storming of Capitol Hill and the shouts of "Hang Pence" along with the violence which ensued was a disgrace, a disgrace to the whole American nation, orchestrated and driven by Trump and his "boys", and many Republican supporters, and it was tantamount to treason.

 

How on earth anybody can refer to this as "pre-emptive propaganda" is beyond comprehension.
 

[Phoenix Rising]

Sad state of affairs:

 

Congress Must Formally Acknowledge That Mike Pence Is The Batman

 

"The bar is now so low that "refused to single-handedly throw out the results of an election" gets you hero status."

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

What planet are you from? The January 6 storming of Capitol Hill and the shouts of "Hang Pence" along with the violence which ensued was a disgrace, a disgrace to the whole American nation, orchestrated and driven by Trump and his "boys", and many Republican supporters, and it was tantamount to treason.

 

How on earth anybody can refer to this as "pre-emptive propaganda" is beyond comprehension.
 

Easy as pointing out black and white, but still so difficult to admit! 

[earlinclaifornia]

12 hours ago, Berkshire said:

I was thinking the same and I'm not even a Republican.  I may disagree with her on just about every major policy issue.  But the woman has more integrity and courage than most politicians in the US today.  I'd prefer to see her as President over even some Democrats.

She is rated at the top of all conservatives on issues. Proof that wing of the party is the real Republican Party. Trump is the in disguise RINO 

[earlinclaifornia]

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Not on Fox News, he's not. I'm wondering what BS  Fox's PR department is cooking up to excuse its lack of coverage of one of the most significant events of America's history.

They can hardly say Rupert told me not to report on it.

Bret Baier of Fox said Trump look very bad in this opening

[earlinclaifornia]

6 hours ago, oliverX said:

He was dully arrested for breaking the law. Ok

The leg iron restraints used by FBI during the lawful arrest may be a tad excessive for a 73 year old charged with a process crime.

True but it was really cool too.

[earlinclaifornia]

5 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Muller report. No collusion (Trump's team too stupid) but at least 20 counts of obstruction.

 

Right from the beginning it seemed to me to be quite ridiculous Trump team were capable of anything that elaborate. Waste of time and should have only focused on the obstruction.

[metisdead]

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[ozimoron]

From the Murdoch owned N.Y. Post editorial:

 

"Meanwhile, reports that Trump was pleased that the Jan. 6 crowd chanted for Vice President Mike Pence to be hanged — a truly reprehensible sentiment — makes him unworthy for the office. Trump can’t look past 2020. Let him remain there."

 

https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/trump-and-dems-remain-obsessed-with-2020-republicans-should-look-to-the-future-instead/

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, Resident Alien said:

Guess you missed the question.

 

If Biden and Harris are impeached AND Trump is elected as speaker,

could Trump be President again in 2023 before a general election?

 

It might never happen, but could this happen based on the presidential line of succession?

So maybe not Trump, but anyone who is elected speaker could be US president next year.

 

Impeached for what? As far as I can make out, they are trying to repair the mess Trump left on both the domestic and international stage.

Make America Great Again morphed into MAALS ( Make America A Laughing Stock ) under Trump.

A President who was impeached twice, and got away with it because the Republican Party was too cowardly to stand up for themselves and the people who elected them. Gutless.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Lacessit

[Hummin]

Im more than comfortable believing Trump is a criminal, and even with a soon 80 year old Biden as a president, America and the world is better off now than then. 
 

 

[MALL]

No donations, long ago given up on the whole theatrics of voting, left/right etc.

 

They don't represent the people, isn't that obvious?

[placeholder]

16 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I read somewhere 6 people died at the hands of the police  that day. Anybody  know their names?

 

The current  investigation into events that day have nothing to do  with justice but are an act of vindictive vengeance that can only lead to greater division in American  society. For what purpose? To promote  the likes of Harris, Biden and Cortez?

Each of them is as dishonest  as Trump possibly  more so.

 

You consider an attempt to halt a crucial step in the peaceful transfer of power in a democratic republic a minor matter? You think that a crowd that had just chanted that the person in charge of the process should be hanged  and was roaming the halls of Congress is a minor matter?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

You consider an attempt to halt a crucial step in the peaceful transfer of power in a democratic republic a minor matter? You think that a crowd that had just chanted that the person in charge of the process should be hanged  and was roaming the halls of Congress is a minor matter?

We just get continued fanciful versions of the events from people who refuse to watch the evidence..

[Walker88]

Had the terrorists on 6 Jan (terrorist is the term used by 45-appointed FBI Chief Wray) been Black or Moslems, 45 would have called in the NatGuard, but since they were Incels, morons and 99% white cult members, he sat on his bloated behind for 187 minutes, while 140 police officers protecting the Capitol were injured, and where terrorists were hunting down the VP in order to hang him for doing what the Constitution demands.

 

45 is likely to be charged for sedition and insurrection, which are capital offenses. Similarly, several sitting repub members of the House are likely to be charged for the same crimes.

 

If found guilty, all of them should be executed per the law, so that a message is sent to anyone who thinks they can overturn the democracy much better people have fought to defend..

[charmonman]

11 hours ago, connda said:

Before January 2021, I didn't even know there was a law on the books called "Parading."  That concerns me more than pretty much anything else.  So what other laws can I be put into prison for without knowing I was breaking a law?  ????

If the parading involves injuring and threatening police officers, vandalizing public property, threatening to hang the Vice President, disrupting essential government operations, and attempting to overturn the results of an election - then yes, it’s breaking a law and you will be arrested for it.

[candide]

Trump’s Truth Social Is Banning Users Who Post About Jan. 6 Hearings, According to Reports

"The irony is rich: Truth Social, Donald Trump’s Twitter copycat claiming it is “free from political discrimination,” has reportedly banned users who posted information from Thursday’s congressional hearing on the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol — in which the former president is a key focus."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-truth-social-banning-users-164736257.html

 

MAGA has become a symbol of freedom of expression! ????

Edited June 11, 2022 by candide

[FritsSikkink]

14 hours ago, connda said:

Before January 2021, I didn't even know there was a law on the books called "Parading."  That concerns me more than pretty much anything else.  So what other laws can I be put into prison for without knowing I was breaking a law?  ????

Not knowing the law has never been a good excuse to get away with breaking the law.

[Lacessit]

16 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I read somewhere 6 people died at the hands of the police  that day. Anybody  know their names?

 

 

 

The current  investigation into events that day have nothing to do  with justice but are an act of vindictive vengeance that can only lead to greater division in American  society. For what purpose? To promote  the likes of Harris, Biden and Cortez?

Each of them is as dishonest  as Trump possibly  more so.

 

 

Media bias is what I would describe as an attribute of Fox News, who having been kissing Trump's butt for years.

 

As far as vindictiveness and dishonesty goes, one need look no further than Trump himself.

 

Perhaps you would be good enough to post verifiable examples of the dishonesty of Biden, Harris and Cortez. I don't think I would have to look very hard to find examples of Trump's.

 

The divisions in American society have been encouraged by Trump since before 2016, that is his modus operandi.

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I read somewhere 6 people died at the hands of the police  that day. Anybody  know their names?

 

The current  investigation into events that day have nothing to do  with justice but are an act of vindictive vengeance that can only lead to greater division in American  society. For what purpose? To promote  the likes of Harris, Biden and Cortez?

Each of them is as dishonest  as Trump possibly  more so.

 

You open up with "I read somewhere 6 people died at the hands of the police  that day. Anybody  know their names? "  then you treat your vague recollection as a fact. 

 

Why don't you verify your facts before using them in a post?  It's not difficult.

 

Four protesters died during the day of the attack, one shot by police while attempting to break into the House chambers, three of medical emergencies that could not be treated because of the mob.  One police officer died two days later of injuries sustained during the attack.   https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-deaths/

 

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I think you are wrong. I watch Fox news - and Tucker ???? - and most all of the commentators and guests on there say that those responsible for the rioting in the building should be held responsible and punished. The problem with the 'hearing' is it is about as much TV nonsense as the recent Clinton Susmann fiasco judgements of a man clearly guilty ! Even Tucker agrees with the prosecution of the rioters ! The right is agreeing with the prosecution of them - but you never see that response by the left Biden cronies ! Fox just wont cover one-sided nonsense.

 

Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ? The left are just as much to blame as any right wingers that took part by ignoring any threat - will we see that on the 'hearing'. Will the left be prosecuted for failure to act ? 

 

Meanwhile not a sausage over the BLM riots, murders and mass pilfering ! Here's hoping that when useless Biden loses the senate and house that the right now starts the prosecution of all those on the left for ignoring riots and fanning the flames of the BLM

 

"Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ?"

 

Got any sources to back that claim up?  Was it something you heard on Tucker Carlson?

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ?"

 

Got any sources to back that claim up?  Was it something you heard on Tucker Carlson?

from a meeting Miller had with Trump on JAN 3rd.

 

"Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally. According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/

[Resident Alien]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Impeached for what? As far as I can make out, they are trying to repair the mess Trump left on both the domestic and international stage.

Make America Great Again morphed into MAALS ( Make America A Laughing Stock ) under Trump.

A President who was impeached twice, and got away with it because the Republican Party was too cowardly to stand up for themselves and the people who elected them. Gutless.

I do not know impeached for what.

I just read somewhere they want to impeach, for whatever reason, asap after the Nov election, if they got a majority.

I do not care who is US president.

[Kenneth White]

Just like during the Russian Coelution hearings the most important evidence presented was the part where President Trump called for a peaceful protest was edited out of the video tape...Hum I wonder who and why these words were edited out.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Kenneth White

[SunnyinBangrak]

8 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

Just like during the Russian Coelution hearings the most important evidence presented was the part where President Trump called for a peaceful protest was edited out of the video tape...Hum I wonder who and why these words were edited out.

Because it just doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to present.

 

Not to even mention the sheer irrelevance of the jan 6th protest when leftists are RIGHT NOW threatening to kill supreme court judges and massing in front of their private residences to intimidate. 

 

Although I suppose the jan 6th showtrial/kangaroo court is a good distraction from record inflation, baby food shortage, sky high gas prices, the Afghan debacle, the open border chaos ...

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

from a meeting Miller had with Trump on JAN 3rd.

 

"Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally. According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/

So no specific number of troops requested, just an order to fill a request from the DC mayor if he made one.  Also, it wasn't "the left" that refused the hypothetical third party request, but Trump's Assisitant SecDef. 

 

In other words, the post "Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ?" was completely wrong.

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

There is so much more to this than what the Democrats have made it out to be. Lets face it the majority of Democrats and some Republicans didn't and don't like Donald J. Trump. President Trump ran the White House like a business. He is a master negotiator. The evidence of that was energy independence, equal trade agreements the list is long but rarely spoken about on main stream media outlets.

 

  Last word...the J6 committee is unconstitutional. There is a procedure that is required to form a committee, which was not followed like in the Russian Coelution committee.

"President Trump ran the White House like a business."

 

A businessman who revealed trade secrets to the enemy in his first days of office and who abandoned a campaign, the TPP, that would have hobbled our key competitor, China.

 

"He is a master negotiator. The evidence of that was energy independence, equal trade agreements the list is long but rarely spoken about on main stream media outlets."

 

A master negotiator?  Where is our new and better Iran nuclear deal?  Where has he out-negotiated China as promised?  Why couldn't he get Congress to pass a much better healthcare bill than Obamacare as promised?

 

What was negotiated under his term other than an update to NAFTA?

 

The energy independence was in place before Trump took office.  You have provided none of the trade agreements or other accomplishments from this long list that you referred to.

 

I don't know where you get your "news" from, but it is obviously not keeping you well informed.

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9 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

There is so much more to this than what the Democrats have made it out to be. Lets face it the majority of Democrats and some Republicans didn't and don't like Donald J. Trump. President Trump ran the White House like a business. He is a master negotiator. The evidence of that was energy independence, equal trade agreements the list is long but rarely spoken about on main stream media outlets.

 

Last word...the J6 committee is unconstitutional. There is a procedure that is required to form a committee, which was not followed like in the Russian Coelution committee.

Donald Trump is definitely not a master negotiator despite what The Apprentice may have led you to believe. Once his father was out of the picture, Trump destroyed his business. In other ventures,Trump consistently overpaid for various assets. He was consistently taken to the cleaners in negotiations. Keep in mind that his father transferred to him about half a billion dollars which all evaporated. It was The Apprentice that saved him and gave people the false idea of his negotiating skills.

 

As for Trump being responsible for energy independence, how does that work? Fracking flourished and grew under the Obama administration. Not that Obama or any President would deserve much credit for that. It was a technological breakthrough that was responsible.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Kenneth White said:

Just like during the Russian Coelution hearings the most important evidence presented was the part where President Trump called for a peaceful protest was edited out of the video tape...Hum I wonder who and why these words were edited out.

The video shown was a compilation made from hundreds if not thousands of hours of video taken that day. 

 

I'm sure if there were a video, recording, or text record of Trump telling his followers "Back off!  Don't attack the Capitol!  Please leave, we don't want any violence!" made while the Capitol was under attack it would have been included.   Of course if there were such evidence there would be no need for the investigation.