Florida’s ‘Don’t Say Gay’ law takes effect today. Its impact is already being felt

[onthedarkside]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis

 

Public school teachers under the law are barred from engaging in classroom instruction related to sexual orientation or gender identity

 

• Florida’s Parental Rights in Education law — known to its critics as the “Don’t Say Gay” law — will officially take effect today.

 

• The measure has already had a chilling effect on public school educators, who in some cases have been instructed to remove LGBTQ+ Pride flags and photographs of same-sex partners from their classrooms to avoid violating the law.

 

• Republican lawmakers have from the start argued that the measure’s only intent is to empower parents. Democrats and LGBTQ+ advocacy groups say the law is intentionally vague and represents a huge step backward for equality.

 

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https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3543536-floridas-dont-say-gay-law-takes-effect-today-its-impact-is-already-being-felt/

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

For any who support this bigotry out there, you might want to study the thatcher government’s attempt to do the same with Clause 28. 

[olfu]

Gay orientation should be private matter.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, olfu said:

Gay orientation should be private matter.

We’ll certainly not something Government, Federal or State should be regulating.

[Scott]

Homophobic comment reported and removed.

 

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, olfu said:

Gay orientation should be private matter.

How about straight orientation?

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

How about straight orientation?

How about we concentrate on their education, nurture their minds and leave relationships to their parents.

[placeholder]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How about we concentrate on their education, nurture their minds and leave relationships to their parents.

So the next time a woman teacher happens to mention her husband she should definitely get fired?

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, 2009 said:

Student, "Teacher, where did the alphabet go?"

 

Teacher, "We've replaced it with same sex lovers. How dare you be so non-inclusive."

The new Math being taught ...

 

1+1 doesn't equal 3 any more, you have to adopt ... ????

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, 2009 said:

Student, "Teacher, where did the alphabet go?"

 

Teacher, "We've replaced it with same sex lovers. How dare you be so non-inclusive."

By the alphabet I think you mean phonics. Teaching of the sounds associated with letter shapes, blending them, learning to recognise digraphs and other sounds associated with particular letter shape groupings is ongoing in any classroom. Direct teaching takes between 20 and 25 minutes a day in the early years. Use of such learning is then applied across all other curriculum areas. The amount of wall space required for a display of such sounds is really quite small. 
 

There is plenty of room and time for other areas of learning to be pursued…
 

So “the alphabet” (LOL) is ever present in any classroom. Hope that eases your concerns. 

[EVENKEEL]

36 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So the next time a woman teacher happens to mention her husband she should definitely get fired?

Stop with the theatrics, it's getting boring.

[MrMuddle]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

How about we concentrate on their education, nurture their minds and leave relationships to their parents.

Because some parents follow various religions that don't practice or allow such things as birth control, and kids end up getting pregnant, or contract sexual diseases through ignorance. Plus some folks just aren't comfortable talking about these things with their kids.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, MrMuddle said:

Because some parents follow various religions that don't practice or allow such things as birth control, and kids end up getting pregnant, or contract sexual diseases through ignorance. Plus some folks just aren't comfortable talking about these things with their kids.

These are 6 yr olds we're talking about.

[Hanaguma]

It is strange, I actually HEARD Governor DeSantis say "gay". On more than one occasion. I even saw him (gasp) converse with an openly gay man. Who has a gay husband. And (horrors) is about to be the father of two babies! Even worse, the governor actually gave gifts to the gays.   How dare he flout his own law!

 

So let's leave the hyperbole out of it. Nothing wrong with family photos in the classroom. Anything political, leave it at home. No rainbow flags, no Blue Lives Matter flags.... nothing

[VocalNeal]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Common sense prevails.

 

That'll be a first????

[2009]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

By the alphabet I think you mean phonics. Teaching of the sounds associated with letter shapes, blending them, learning to recognise digraphs and other sounds associated with particular letter shape groupings is ongoing in any classroom. Direct teaching takes between 20 and 25 minutes a day in the early years. Use of such learning is then applied across all other curriculum areas. The amount of wall space required for a display of such sounds is really quite small. 
 

There is plenty of room and time for other areas of learning to be pursued…
 

So “the alphabet” (LOL) is ever present in any classroom. Hope that eases your concerns. 

Lol. Thanks for that.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Lol. Thanks for that.

Always happy to help explain misconceptions about how learning takes place. ????

[2009]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Always happy to help explain misconceptions about how learning takes place. ????

I think you also missed my point entirely - probably deliberately - about there being more useful and important learning materials FOR CHILDREN that could be showcased in a classroom than homosexual couples, or something similar.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, 2009 said:

I think you also missed my point entirely - probably deliberately - about there being more useful and important learning materials FOR CHILDREN that could be showcased in a classroom than homosexual couples, or something similar.

Oh no I got your post. I was just pointing out it was a straw man argument. 
 

There is plenty of room in a school for an appropriately varied and inclusive curriculum. 

[Hanaguma]

45 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh no I got your post. I was just pointing out it was a straw man argument. 
 

There is plenty of room in a school for an appropriately varied and inclusive curriculum. 

...which means what, exactly? Gay people are perhaps 3-4% of the population. Trans something like 0.1%. Given that, how much of the classroom and the curriculum need be devoted to them? 

 

Young kids in early elementary school, like the ones mentioned in the law, should focus on the basics. No need to get into socially conscious or political themes at that age. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

...which means what, exactly? Gay people are perhaps 3-4% of the population. Trans something like 0.1%. Given that, how much of the classroom and the curriculum need be devoted to them? 

 

Young kids in early elementary school, like the ones mentioned in the law, should focus on the basics. No need to get into socially conscious or political themes at that age. 

You really should save your faux outrage for subjects you have knowledge of. 
 

All my posts have emphasised that what is taught is early years appropriate. You might want to think about what that means…

[Jingthing]

15 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

It is strange, I actually HEARD Governor DeSantis say "gay". On more than one occasion. I even saw him (gasp) converse with an openly gay man. Who has a gay husband. And (horrors) is about to be the father of two babies! Even worse, the governor actually gave gifts to the gays.   How dare he flout his own law!

 

So let's leave the hyperbole out of it. Nothing wrong with family photos in the classroom. Anything political, leave it at home. No rainbow flags, no Blue Lives Matter flags.... nothing

The law has nothing to do with speech outside schools

 

The biggest issue with this bill is the chilling effect it will have in ALL SCHOOL GRADES.

 

That is because ANYTHING LGBT in ANY GRADE is vulnerable to snitching right wing homophobic parents complaining and costing the school large financial penalties. Also teachers are afraid of being fired. So school administrators out of self protection are making LGBT topics and people INVISIBLE. This is vicious intimidation and forced self censorship. This will increase anti LGBT bullying and LGBT youth suicide already very high. This is a cynical bigoted bill by a very ambitious demagogue who has a great chance to become president. Anti LGBT Putin would admire such political power grabbing through scapegoating tactics.

[Jingthing]

On 7/2/2022 at 1:33 AM, olfu said:

Gay orientation should be private matter.

So back in the closet you gays.

[Jingthing]

18 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

How about we concentrate on their education, nurture their minds and leave relationships to their parents.

There is a lot more to LGBT subject matter than just relationships.

[Jingthing]

11 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...which means what, exactly? Gay people are perhaps 3-4% of the population. Trans something like 0.1%. Given that, how much of the classroom and the curriculum need be devoted to them? 

 

Young kids in early elementary school, like the ones mentioned in the law, should focus on the basics. No need to get into socially conscious or political themes at that age. 

No!

The law impacts ALL GRADES.

[Jingthing]

17 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

These are 6 yr olds we're talking about.

No!

The law impacts ALL GRADES.

[Jingthing]

17 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Stop with the theatrics, it's getting boring.

Deflection.

[KhunLA]

I believe schools are for teaching what is needed to become productive in the work place.  Should concentrate on; language, science, math.

 

Social & sexual education should be learned at home, as one size doesn't fit all, an may go against the families' beliefs.

 

All people will find their 'identity' without government interference.  Certainly doesn't need to be taught in school.  Media bombards them already with their options.

 

Don't need the distractions in their learning environment.  Matter fact, y'all can stop teaching religion & history also.  As useless, and nothing but divisive, and as pointed out elsewhere, nobody actually learns from it.

[Scott]

Posts reported and removed.  

 

[Jingthing]

Ignorance, bigotry and scapegoating minorities sells. It has put many authoritarian demagogues in power.