POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

[Walker88]

ANYONE, other than 45, who had 27 boxes of unauthorized and classified material in their private home would have been cuffed and perpwalked.

 

45 has been afforded infinite more grace than he deserves. The whining from the snowflake right is worse than the most woke teen. Perhaps we should be giving repubs and 45's cult coloring books to help them through the trauma.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, habanero said:

What are you talking about? You are facing it now. All it will take is just the thought that another election is rigged. All hell will break loose. Remember, it's the "Deplorables", that have most of the guns. 

Just to be clear, I am not encouraging such a thing. I just happen to live where people are ready to explode. 

But the election was never rigged in the first place, except in Trump's mind. 

 

There it is has been said many times before, the Big Lie.

 

13 hours ago, habanero said:

Why is the Hill the only news agency reporting this? CNN or Fox not reporting this as of 5 minutes ago.

 

Why are you asking people on a forum what is happening or not happening half a world away?

 

If YOU want to know, then YOU personally contact CNN or Fox.

 

Most posters here, at least the sensible ones wait patiently for news reports, yet you HAVE to know within seconds or minutes.

 

It is not as iff YOU can do anything about it anyway.

[nauseus]

53 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Benghazi!

Bless you.

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

ANYONE, other than 45, who had 27 boxes of unauthorized and classified material in their private home would have been cuffed and perpwalked.

 

45 has been afforded infinite more grace than he deserves. The whining from the snowflake right is worse than the most woke teen. Perhaps we should be giving repubs and 45's cult coloring books to help them through the trauma.

snowflake right ????

[stevenl]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Bless you.

 

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

snowflake right ????

Those are the kind of answers when one has nothing to reply on the content.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

ANYONE, other than 45, who had 27 boxes of unauthorized and classified material in their private home would have been cuffed and perpwalked.

 

45 has been afforded infinite more grace than he deserves. The whining from the snowflake right is worse than the most woke teen. Perhaps we should be giving repubs and 45's cult coloring books to help them through the trauma.

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

So the FBI planted declassified documents? Not very smart from them.

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

There was a process to go through and there is some debate about whether he did that. I strongly doubt it. He doesn't have the power to claim later that he declassified the documents without evidence that he did so while still president.

 

Furthermore, there is the potential that some of those documents could not be declassified at all.

Edited August 13, 2022 by ozimoron

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21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

This is false. Documents have to undergo a specific procedure to certify that they are declassified. 

 

Second a document is not declassified just because the president—or the head of the Public Interest Declassification Board—says it is. It has to go through a formal process, in which the security stamps, tags, or labels are removed. It seems at least some of the documents at Mar-a-Lago did not go through this process; according to the Journal, the FBI removed 11 sets of classified documents, four sets labeled “Top Secret,” one marked “Various classified/TS/SCI documents.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/what-is-in-trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html

 

Even if the documents were declassified it would still be a crime to remove them if any of the criteria of this law were met:

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b)

Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by placeholder

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is false. Documents have to undergo a specific procedure to certify that they are declassified. 

 

Second a document is not declassified just because the president—or the head of the Public Interest Declassification Board—says it is. It has to go through a formal process, in which the security stamps, tags, or labels are removed. It seems at least some of the documents at Mar-a-Lago did not go through this process; according to the Journal, the FBI removed 11 sets of classified documents, four sets labeled “Top Secret,” one marked “Various classified/TS/SCI documents.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/what-is-in-trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html

 

Even if the documents were declassified it would still be a crime to remove them if any of the criteria of this law were met:

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b)

Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

 

As Donald was President at the time of their removal , he may very well have  had the authority to take the documents home , taking them home to read and study over the week-end .

[Excel]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As Donald was President at the time of their removal , he may very well have  had the authority to take the documents home , taking them home to read and study over the week-end .

You mean like homework ? ????

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As Donald was President at the time of their removal , he may very well have  had the authority to take the documents home , taking them home to read and study over the week-end .

That was a very, very long weekend. About 19 months long.

[heybruce]

37 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

1.  Are you arguing that it is technically legal for some of the most damaging information to the country that is available o be arbitrarily declassified and stored in a lax manner that would make foreign intel sources salivate at the possibilities?

 

2.  If the answer to the above is yes, are you ok with this?  Wouldn't it reflect poorly on any ex-President who is that irresponsible?

[LosLobo]

54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Donald is not "anyone" though .

As POTUS , Donald had the power and right to determine which documents are classified and which documents are not classified .

   The President determines whether a document is classified or not . 

All Donald needs to do is to say that he declassified the documents and thats it, the documents are not classified .

   Yes, anyone else would be arrested for having those documents, but anyone else doesn't have the ability to de classify those documents 

The warrant was granted on three suspected breaches of Federal law.

 

All of these are independent of any classification issues.

 

Obviously, DOJ was mindful of the de-classification ability of POTUS and that Trump might use it to try to muddy the waters and weasel out of the case.

 

The specific suspected Federal breaches are :

 

18 U.S.C. §§ 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information, which carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.

 

18 U.S.C. §§ 2071: Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally, which carries a penalty of up to three years in prison and disqualification from holding office (more on this below).

 

18 U.S.C. §§ 1519: Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy, which carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

 

Trump search warrant cites statutes that call for prison sentences (cnbc.com)

Edited August 13, 2022 by LosLobo

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That was a very, very long weekend. About 19 months long.

Those golf balls aren't going to go down the hole themselves 

[DezLez]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Those golf balls aren't going to go down the hole themselves 

But it looks like he will. (I hope!)

His first ever "legal/real" hole in one! ????

Edited August 13, 2022 by DezLez

[Slip]

deleted- the claim I was responding too already debunked more than once. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Slip

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, DezLez said:

But it looks like he will.

His first "legal/real" hole in one! ????

I wish I'd thought of that.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Nigel has spoken :

 

[Slip]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nigel has spoken :

 

 

<snipped link for brevity>

 

One Putin asset defending another Putin asset.  Not very compelling really.  Hopefully farage will end up in prison before too long too.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

 

Those are the kind of answers when one has nothing to reply on the content.

Go back and read the so-called "content".

[ballpoint]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That was a very, very long weekend. About 19 months long.

Come on, it takes time for a man his age to learn how to read.

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Go back and read the so-called "content".

And again nothing.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As Donald was President at the time of their removal , he may very well have  had the authority to take the documents home , taking them home to read and study over the week-end .

Donald reading documents! ????

Can't you find a more plausible argument?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Donald reading documents! ????

Can't you find a more plausible argument?

A very successful man: Golf courses & Towers in many Countries  , Model wifes , President of the U.S.A , Friends with Putin and Korean Kim ........................and you're sat there at home questioning his reading ability . 

[DezLez]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Donald reading documents! ????

Can't you find a more plausible argument?

It was a KFC or McDonald's menu after all!

Or maybe a Grandchild reads them to him!

Edited August 13, 2022 by DezLez

[DezLez]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A very successful man: Golf courses & Towers in many Countries  , Model wifes , President of the U.S.A , Friends with Putin and Korean Kim ........................and you're sat there at home questioning his reading ability . 

Yes! 

That is why he had people like Giuliani working for him!

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As Donald was President at the time of their removal , he may very well have  had the authority to take the documents home , taking them home to read and study over the week-end .

The President Who Doesn’t Read

“It’s worse than you can imagine … Trump won’t read anything—not one-page memos, not the brief policy papers, nothing. He gets up halfway through meetings with world leaders because he is bored.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

 

Trump 'rarely if ever' reads his daily intelligence briefing

Intelligence professionals have gone to great lengths to accommodate the president's toddler-like attention span. It's apparently not enough.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-rarely-if-ever-reads-his-daily-intelligence-briefing-msna1066626

 

Love this bit, his "toddler-like attention span"

[DezLez]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Love this bit, his "toddler-like attention span"

Stop it please!

Why are you insulting toddlers?

[placeholder]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A very successful man: Golf courses & Towers in many Countries  , Model wifes , President of the U.S.A , Friends with Putin and Korean Kim ........................and you're sat there at home questioning his reading ability . 

Are you aware that he inherited about half a billion dollars from his father?