1 minute ago, Sparktrader said:

Read the rules

You show us the relevant rule; since you claim to be 'au fait' with them.

11 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Whats a fact?

"....that he is a filthy traitor who couldn't handle losing the election and actually tried instigating a coup."

20 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Read the comments

Gee some very biased people here

Nothing wrong with that so long as they are objective. Opposing a judicial inquiry in the face of prima facie evidence is hardly objective.

 

Wanting a judicial inquiry to settle the issues is not at all biased.

 

I'm a bit to the left of Marx but I believe that if Trump is found innocent after a trial then good luck to him. What I don't want to see is another Bill Barr cover up.

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Current one worst ever by a mile.

Wrong. After the dumpster fire that was the trump "presidency" electing a syphilitic donkey with a particularly dim intellect would have been a vast improvement. President Biden is not an ideal president by any stretch of the imagination but he has morals and scruples and would never dream of betraying his country because of a bruised ego.

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Wrong. After the dumpster fire that was the trump "presidency" electing a syphilitic donkey with a particularly dim intellect would have been a vast improvement. President Biden is not an ideal president by any stretch of the imagination but he has morals and scruples and would never dream of betraying his country because of a bruised ego.

Economy is bad now

13 minutes ago, metisdead said:

House GOP rallies to Trump after Mar-a-Lago search, vows to probe FBI in 2023

The House GOP leaped Monday night to denounce the FBI search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy vowing to investigate the Justice Department should Republicans take back the chamber this fall as expected.

“I’ve seen enough,” McCarthy tweeted hours after Trump confirmed that his Florida resort was searched by federal officials. Using the same term the former president did in his own statement on the raid — “weaponization” — to describe DOJ’s actions, the California Republican and frontrunner for speaker next year told Attorney General Merrick Garland to “preserve your documents and clear your calendar.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/08/trump-mar-a-lago-gop-00050459

 

 

McCarthy and the House GOP are practically daring AG Garland to indict Trump.  Garland will have almost no choice but to indict, or else be accused of caving to right wing bullying and threats.  What's amusing is that these people haven't even seen the evidence compiled by the DOJ (which I'm certain is substantial) nor do they know what the charges will be.  It's like a pavlov's dog response, wanting to appease their master and the base.  

6 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Read the rules

Check the definition of being 'civil'. If stating someone deserves the ultimate punishment is uncivil I would suggest your definition of the word is somewhat "touchy".

5 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Innocent until proven

 

Basic principle many seem to have forgotten

Would that also also apply to Hilary Clinton or Hunter Biden?

15 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Current one worst ever by a mile.

And yet, all of US allies dislike him, even his best mate in Israel while all US enemies love him. Except for Iran. That was just a spanner in the works to help out Netanyahu, another criminal.

5 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

"....that he is a filthy traitor who couldn't handle losing the election and actually tried instigating a coup."

Thats only an opinion, not a fact.

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

McCarthy and the House GOP are practically daring AG Garland to indict Trump.  Garland will have almost no choice but to indict, or else be accused of caving to right wing bullying and threats.  What's amusing is that these people haven't even seen the evidence compiled by the DOJ (which I'm certain is substantial) nor do they know what the charges will be.  It's like a pavlov's dog response, wanting to appease their master and the base.  

Imagine the hearing when they've indicted Garland and he just piles up the mountain of evidence that they surely have or they would never have made this move - not in a million years. Looking forward to it, gonna be epic!????

McCarthy is up the creek, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, as you rightly point out.

1 minute ago, mikeymike100 said:

Thats only an opinion, not a fact.

He didn't claim otherwise.

30 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Pathetic. "Non-American neutral observer" but you quote "radical left" and "far left" ☺️

So tell us who is on the radical right and far right, Mr Neutral? Demonstrate your neutrality.

Far right would be the likes of the American Freedom Party and American Independent party amongst others.

 

It's veering a bit off topic now though, this thread is about the USA rapidly descending into the murky realms of politicized law enforcement, more akin to third world banana republics. A sad day.

2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Thats only an opinion, not a fact.

It's a fait accompli...

Just now, JonnyF said:

Far right would be the likes of the American Freedom Party and American Independent party amongst others.

 

It's veering a bit off topic now though, this thread is about the USA rapidly descending into the murky realms of politicized law enforcement, more akin to third world banana republics. A sad day.

No it isn't about that.  That's just your 'neutral observer' attempt to mischaracterise it.  It's about the FBI having reason to believe Trump committed a crime and acting accordingly, which is what it is there to do.  As a 'neutral observer' you are not entitled to your own facts.

8 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Economy is bad now

Lowest unemployment in half a century is bad now? The economy is suffering because of Russia but that's not peculiar to the US.

 

I think the fact that 370 billion got allocated to fighting climate change is the single most important budget issue on the table. Next would be defeating Russia but the US seem to have that under control with 98 - 1 senators voting to approve more weapons and money. The GOP lunatic Hawley was the lone dissident.

Well the FBI will have reviewed the seized haul from Mar a Lago many hours ago, and know whether they are heros who busted an evil ex President caught red handed comitting the crime of the century, or if it was just another hilarious wild goose chase by a discreditted political organization that is starting to look much like the KGB.

 The silence from the FBI and the MSM is becoming deafening....

Just now, Slip said:

No it isn't about that.  That's just your 'neutral observer' attempt to mischaracterise it.  It's about the FBI having reason to believe Trump committed a crime and acting accordingly, which is what it is there to do.  As a 'neutral observer' you are not entitled to your own facts.

Please tell us all exactly what reason they have to believe that raiding his home will uncover evidence of this 'crime'.

 

Facts only please.

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He didn't claim otherwise.

Yes he did, check back, he said its a fact.

 

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38 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

I agree about the hair!

 

"But most of all it is the fact that he is a filthy traitor who couldn't handle losing the election and actually tried instigating a coup."

"For the one with the ultimate responsibility only the ultimate punishment fits the crime"

 

Thats you opinion, not fact!

 

Remember innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law??

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It's a fact.

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Please tell us all exactly what reason they have to believe that raiding his home will uncover evidence of this 'crime'.

 

Facts only please.

I'm not in the FBI, but a judge signed off on it, so that will do for me for now.  The rest should become clearer later.  Have some patience.

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Far right would be the likes of the American Freedom Party and American Independent party amongst others.

 

It's veering a bit off topic now though, this thread is about the USA rapidly descending into the murky realms of politicized law enforcement, more akin to third world banana republics. A sad day.

 

That's not a neutral observer. That is someone with entrenched opinions. Even your spelling is Americanised ???? 

Would you really like to discuss politicised law enforcement in a balanced way?

 

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Halkbank Investigation and the firing of Geoffrey Berman[edit]

In June 2019, in violation of Department of Justice policy, Barr pressured Berman, then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, to drop an investigation into close allies of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan involved with the Turkish bank Halkbank.^[10] The bank and the individuals in question were alleged to have broken U.S. sanctions on Iran, funnelling billions of dollars to Iran and helping fund its nuclear ambitions.^[10] Barr's demand followed a concerted pressure campaign by Erdogan and his close associates, including his son-in-law, Turkish Finance Minister Berat Albayrak, and Mehmet Ali Yalcindag, a Trump family friend involved in developing the Trump towers in Turkey;^[10] Erdogan himself personally insisted to President Trump that the Halkbank investigation be shut down on at least two occasions, November 1, 2018, at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires, and on a telephone call on December 14, 2018.^[10] According to former National Security Adviser John Bolton, a first-hand witness of many of the events in question, this sequence of events "does look like obstruction of justice".^[10] In a late Friday night statement on June 19, 2020, Barr stated that Berman was resigning and being replaced by Jay Clayton, citing Berman's behavior in the Halkbank episode as a primary reason for his removal.^[10] Berman learned of this through press reports and declined to resign; the next day, Barr asked Trump to fire Berman, which he promptly did. Berman was replaced by his deputy, Audrey Strauss.^[265] In November 2019, The Wall Street Journal reported Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani figured in an SDNY investigation into multiple possible felonies.^[266]

Resignation[edit]

On December 14, 2020, Trump announced via Twitter that Barr would be resigning from his post as attorney general, effective December 23.^[267] Barr further confirmed his resignation in a letter to Trump on the same day.^[268] In summarizing his tenure, Katie Benner of The New York Times wrote that "Barr brought the Justice Department closer to the White House than any attorney general in a half-century ... Barr made decisions that dovetailed precisely with Mr. Trump’s wishes and the demands of his political allies."^[269] CNN summarized his tenure similarly, "Barr repeatedly and unapologetically prioritized Trump's political goals while furthering his own vision of expansive presidential power."^[270] Ryan Lucas of NPR described Barr as "one of Trump's most loyal and effective defenders".^[271] As examples of Barr's actions on behalf of Trump, these critics pointed to the fact that Barr made frequent false claims about the integrity of mail-in voting leading up to the 2020 election, misleadingly summarized Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian interference in the 2016 election,^[270][271] harshly criticized those who had investigated Trump,^[270] meddled in criminal prosecutions of Trump allies,^[272] and ordered the use of force on peaceful protestors across the street from the White House during the George Floyd protests so that President Trump could have a photo op at nearby St. John's Church."^[270][271]

 

1 hour ago, userabcd said:

Just expressing some sympathy for the guy because overbearing Democrats have been hounding him for many years.

Just keep sending the donations.

 

Build that wall, MAGA, Red Hat, send your money now.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Economy is bad now

The economy is bad in every country of the world now. How can this world phenomenon be solely Biden's fault and how would it be any different if Trump was still in power?

 

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

The economy is bad in every country of the world now. How can this world phenomenon be solely Biden's fault and how would it be any different if Trump was still in power?

The war would be over and things would be back to normal, other than covid.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Please tell us all exactly what reason they have to believe that raiding his home will uncover evidence of this 'crime'.

 

Facts only please.

 

Why would you expect him to know exactly what reason they have? Is he privy to that knowledge or are you just gaslighting?

5 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

370bn wasted. Inflation sky high. No energy security.

Inflation is sky high in every country of the world now yet this is Biden's fault?

Just now, ozimoron said:

The war would be over and things would be back to normal, other than covid.

The war would be over and Russia would be in control of Ukraine and possibly the USA.

Just now, LosLobo said:

Inflation is sky high in every country of the world now yet this is Biden's fault?

Isolationalists don't read the world news apparently.

1 minute ago, Bruno123 said:

The war would be over and Russia would be in control of Ukraine and possibly the USA.

Actually on second thoughts the senate would have sent the weapons there anyway with a veto proof bill. They did that to him over the stinger missiles IIRC.

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Well the FBI will have reviewed the seized haul from Mar a Lago many hours ago, and know whether they are heros who busted an evil ex President caught red handed comitting the crime of the century, or if it was just another hilarious wild goose chase by a discreditted political organization that is starting to look much like the KGB.

 The silence from the FBI and the MSM is becoming deafening....

Seriously?  5555.....it's going to take days if not weeks to go over this stuff.  Not hours.  But don't worry....Trump's room at the pen will be waiting for him.  It's not going anywhere.