2 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Theft, unauthorized possession of classified and sensitive gov't docs, materials indictment could be the least of Biden's worries and a great gift to Trump and could be another crowning gaffe and failure, and entry to Biden's corroded legacy.

 

I don't see Biden coming out of this one unscathed, but instead he will incur again his frequent humiliation in the eyes of the nation and the world.

 

He's got to be the greatest failure in American politics hands down!

Swerving again. Until you provide a link to your claims nothing you say is credible.

21 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

sorry, but you make no sense at all.

No sense at all, to you! Which is not surprising.

10 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Why don't you enlighten those who care about your obfuscation.

You're the one who introduced the opinion of someone who is unqualified to judge the issue. Why should she be given any special credence?  This is also the person who suggested that Rothschild controlled space lasers were responsble for the fires in California. And supported claims that unspeakable deeds were being done to children in the basement of a Washington, D.C. basement. And there's plenty where that came from.

7 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Biden, not Trump. Stay on topic.

Justs trying without much hope to show to you what actual violations of the laws look like.

Not sure if this is allowed, but:  Maybe it's time to treat a certain poster here as a troll.

9 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It now looks like Tricky Joe was building his own private classified documents collection...but for what purpose - influence peddling to the Chinese?

 

Classified Documents Found in Second Location Associated With Biden https://nyti.ms/3GCx6jK

Sure. Biden is the President who has imposed the harshest restrictions by far on trade with China. He has also explicitly said that the US would come to the aid of Taiwan in case of an attack by China.

7 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

He possessed them illegally, how should Biden's crimes be classified then, in your obvious confused understanding?

 

"Joe Biden took classified documents from the White House when he was Vice President," U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., posted on Twitter. "The VP does NOT have the power to declassify, only POTUS. Joe Biden stole classified documents. This is a very serious crime. DOJ & NARA can’t sweep this under the rug AND persecute Trump."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jan/11/Trump-Biden-classified-documents-cases-differ/

 

40 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

He was in possession without color of right, stolen classified government documents unless Obama steps up and admits he declassified the documents and gave them to Biden (which is unlikely) then Biden is on the hook for illegally possessing classified and sensitive government records. Possesion of something by illegal means, ie theft, despite your obfuscation and defference Biden had no right to possess classified documents ater leaving office.

lets say you go into a store and you pick up an item to look at it...then your phone rings and you put the item in your pocket to free your hands to text a reply....you're distracted but then you walk out the door and go home and hang your jacket with the item in the pocket in your closet... but later you find the item in your pocket and you immediately return it to the store even though the store has not reported a theft..the store says thank you and that is the end of the matter

 

then lets say another person does the exact same thing but when he gets home and later discovers the item he just keeps it...the store calls and says we have it on video that you stole this item...please return it now and there will be no criminal charges....but you in your infinite wisdom you claim not to have the item even though you actually have dozens of the items, so you return a few of the items but not all... then the store says we have probable cause to believe you have more of said items, ..but  you now say those items all belong to me and refuse to return the items, then the store gets a subpoena and the police come to your home and find that item along with over 100 more items ... ....the store asks you to return all the items you took, you get your lawyer to confirm that all the items have been returned...but the store can see they have not so they ask a judge for a search warrant and present evidence to convince the judge you still have more items and have lied about it and stalled over and over and still have not returned them....so finally months later having tried and tried to get you to return the items the police come to your house and lo and behold there are more of the very the items you took in your house.....so the police with a judges approval seizes all the items and return them to their rightful owner the store..

 

Do you suppose a court and a jury will see any difference in the two people as to their actions or their intent? Or will the court and jury say nope both are exactly the same?

 

If you do not understand the difference there is likely nothing anyone can ever say or do to convince you that two people can break the same law but the intent, circumstances and subsequent behavior should and do have a legal impact on the final outcome.

“Biden’s documents are HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL, many pertain to UKRAINE, where Hunter was 'raking in the dough,' and FUNDED BY CHINA, which gave $55 Million to Biden, through Penn, and probably had easy access. Was the Old Crow’s boss, China-loving Coco Chow, involved?" the former president wrote, adding, "Just asking?”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-blows-up-after-karl-rove-debunks-his-claims-about-classified-biden-documents/

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

“Biden’s documents are HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL, many pertain to UKRAINE, where Hunter was 'raking in the dough,' and FUNDED BY CHINA, which gave $55 Million to Biden, through Penn, and probably had easy access. Was the Old Crow’s boss, China-loving Coco Chow, involved?" the former president wrote, adding, "Just asking?”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-blows-up-after-karl-rove-debunks-his-claims-about-classified-biden-documents/

Does trump ever have anything positive to say about anything or is it just one  rant and childish name calling  after another after another against any and all that dare to cross him....to include all the "greatest" people that trump picked and introduced praising them to high heavens then claiming they were all idiots and crooks when  they dared to give any advice or opinions or got a bit too much media attention drawing the spotlight away from trump? 

 

He is a sick person that just needs to shut his big mouth and go play golf and hope he doesn't end up in the slammer where he belongs.

 

Karl Rove, Mike Pence, Generals Galore, Bill Barr, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton,  Fox "news"and on and on and on.  Enough is enough.  Will repubs ever grow a spine and tell him to shut the "f" up?

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

You clearly have not worked with classified.  The higher ups leave it to their staff to take care of administrative details such as securing classified.

 

I concede that recent history shows that many politicians and their chosen staff do not have the training and appreciation of the importance of properly handling classified information.  That is a problem that needs to be addressed.  But there is a huge difference between inadvertent lapses in securing classified and obstructing the correct securing of classified.

'You clearly have not worked with classified.' Not in the US, I haven't. How do you know it was 'inadvertent lapses...'? The questions of who, when and why have not yet been established

It seems that the Executive Branch needs to review it's procedure for handling of Classified documents -- and probably all papers that are ultimately removed from the White House.  I suspect a lot of other agencies will need a review as well.

 

Many years ago, I dealt with classified documents.  The receipt of the document was logged in and they were delivered to the proper person.  Some were sealed so that the person delivering them couldn't review them.  Some were not, it depended on how sensitive it was. 

 

When a document was delivered to the authorized person it was logged out and when it was returned it was logged back in and someone with a higher clearance than mine was responsible to file them.  

 

The difficulty with ordinary classified documents was that the recipient had no time limit on how long they could keep it. 

 

The documents that we dealt with were not top secret. 

3 hours ago, TKDfella said:

'You clearly have not worked with classified.' Not in the US, I haven't. How do you know it was 'inadvertent lapses...'? The questions of who, when and why have not yet been established

We can be sure it was inadvertent because if there was something criminal behind it, the documents wouldn't have been left where they could be found. We know it was inadvertent because as soon as the lawyers looked at the documents, they reported  it. Contrast that with the behavior of a certain other party and his lawyers.

*Deleted post edited out*

 

For months, the National Archives and then the Justice Dept negotiated with Trump for the return of documents he illegally took from the Whitehouse. I don't recall seeing any news about that.

13 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Ah yes.

"The walls are closing in".

"It's the beginning of the end for Trump".

"Another bombshell revelation". 

 

I think I have been hearing this tune being played since 2016...

 

As for Biden, at best this episode shows that his mental facilities have been deteriorating for longer than many people suspect, certainly from before he was elected President. Yet somehow he can cling to office, perhaps due to his clever choice of VP- a person so obviously over her head and incompetent that even the most hardened Trumpers would blanch at the thought of her holding the Presidency.

Indeed, the thought of Harris becoming POTUS is not a happy one.

It does seem though, that Biden is no longer to be protected by the media- interesting development!

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, the thought of Harris becoming POTUS is not a happy one.

It does seem though, that Biden is no longer to be protected by the media- interesting development!

He never was.

6 hours ago, TKDfella said:

'You clearly have not worked with classified.' Not in the US, I haven't. How do you know it was 'inadvertent lapses...'? The questions of who, when and why have not yet been established

Seems certain posters are having to engage in verbal contortions to excuse Biden for doing the same as the "bad man". LOL.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems certain posters are having to engage in verbal contortions to excuse Biden for doing the same as the "bad man". LOL.

Where's the subpoena?

This is the lead story on Al Jazeera news.

Seems Biden is in for some attention on this matter that will not be comfortable for him.

The more he tries to wiggle out of it, the bigger the story gets.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This is the lead story on Al Jazeera news.

Seems Biden is in for some attention on this matter that will not be comfortable for him.

The more he tries to wiggle out of it, the bigger the story gets.

do you mean Aj Jazeera TV or news?

 

Are you referring to the republican inquisition or is there some news about a judicial proceeding?

Attorney General Merrick Garland has announced that he will speak on Thursday afternoon but hasn't indicated whether it is about the Biden documents or Donald Trump's scandals that are being investigated by special counsel Jack Smith.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/biden-staff-spoke-investigators-documents/

Breaking news. Just announced by the A G that a special counsel has been appointed.

Seen on Al Jazeera.

2 minutes ago, dentman said:

AG Garland is currently giving a live statement on the Biden classified document crimes, have a listen on FOX as he bloviates and covers for the most corrupt politician in America.

I didn't hear any cover up. He's done the ( probably ) only thing he could do, and appointed a special counsel.

 

Al Jazeera is devoting a lot of time to discuss the A G speech and the back ground with relevance to the Trump episode with classified documents.

6 minutes ago, dentman said:

Anyone feel for Biden now? Would you support him, vote for him again?

 

Please share.

Absolutely 100% no hesitation none whatsoever I’d vote for him in less than a heartbeat he gets stuff done he’s restoring americas place in the world this snafu with the docs is a scandal that’s it no more imo most likely caused by a staffing screw up it’s not malicious as in the trump case I know many are so desperate to slander it’s their m.o. but sorry nope joes kicking ass getting it done oh by the way the inflation rate is now at 6.1% continuing to go down!cheers!

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

For months, the National Archives and then the Justice Dept negotiated with Trump for the return of documents he illegally took from the Whitehouse. I don't recall seeing any news about that.

Actually, if I remember well, It's Trump himself who first announced the raid to the public

So, who's laughing now?

 

Trump is.

 

Who's crying now?

 

Biden is.

Has to know that he's been hung out to dry, given he is probably a liability for the people that run the Democrats.

The only reason he's still there, IMO, is because of who takes over when he goes.

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, who's laughing now?

 

Trump is.

 

Who's crying now?

 

Biden is.

Has to know that he's been hung out to dry, given he is probably a liability for the people that run the Democrats.

The only reason he's still there, IMO, is because of who takes over when he goes.

The main reason he's still there, is that he was elected during fair and clean elections.

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, who's laughing now?

 

Trump is.

 

Who's crying now?

 

Biden is.

Has to know that he's been hung out to dry, given he is probably a liability for the people that run the Democrats.

The only reason he's still there, IMO, is because of who takes over when he goes.

As you mentioned him I guess I am now allowed to talk about him? ????

Actually he's not happy at all!

Trump seethes on Truth Social after Fox News analyst debunks his lies about Biden classified docs

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/11/seethes-on-truth-social-after-fox-news-analyst-debunks-his-lies-about-biden-classified-docs/

 

Trump news – live: Trump posts vicious tirade against special counsel as first 2024 campaign event announced

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-news-live-trump-lashes-out-as-fox-news-says-biden-s-classified-papers-not-as-bad-as-mar-a-lago-stash/ar-AA16cLn9

 

A stark contrast with the confidence, as well as the respect for the law and justice institutions, shown by Biden.

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, who's laughing now?

 

Trump is.

 

Who's crying now?

 

Biden is.

Has to know that he's been hung out to dry, given he is probably a liability for the people that run the Democrats.

The only reason he's still there, IMO, is because of who takes over when he goes.

Why on earth would Biden be crying I’m sure he’s annoyed he has a lot on his plate beeing a real president not a nft cartoon president imo it’s the correct thing to do especially under the circumstances with trump hoarding sensitive docs then lying denying hiding blocking delaying ect ect you know that pesky and might I add illegal obstruction tisk tisk Donnie were as in the Joe Biden <deleted> all was handeled correctly there’s a world of difference 

25 minutes ago, Tug said:

Why on earth would Biden be crying I’m sure he’s annoyed he has a lot on his plate beeing a real president

Lol

41 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Lol

IMO he'll be worried that the special counsel will uncover things he doesn't want uncovered. Bit like Nixon must have regretted letting the proverbial cat out of the proverbial bag on the secret tapes.