'We're asking for help to bring our boy home to Manchester so he's not alone as he fights for his life'

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

Well i don't think @Yellowtail was 'virtue signaling'

 

But five kids at 32, probably a couple of baby mommas.

 

Now I have three children and I don't think I would ever have left my small kids regardless of my marital status travel half way across the world to 'follow my dreams' and end up on a moped at zero dark thirty.

 

There really is a thing about being a grown up and having responsibilities!

What do you want , a medal, or a saint-hood ?   There are probably millions of people  working and living away from their families, 

[GinBoy2]

19 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

What do you want , a medal, or a saint-hood ?   There are probably millions of people  working and living away from their families, 

None of us deserve medals for just living up to our responsibilities, that just being an adult!

 

Kids need their parents, Mom and Dad.

If you ain't up to that I'd suggest looking up condom in the dictionary

[kwilco]

I don't see the point in going over what this guy has done wrong....apart from stating the obvious and making some contributors very smug.

Can anyone give a reason for their criticisms other than gratuitous virtue signalling?

 

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I don't see the point in going over what this guy has done wrong....apart from stating the obvious and making some contributors very smug.

Can anyone give a reason for their criticisms other than gratuitous virtue signalling?

 

Yes -- a statistical analysis of the results of wearing various categories of helmets during a motorcycle accident in UK versus Thailand is more apropos to the topic even though the guy involved in the unfortunate accident was not wearing a helmet.

[jacko45k]

49 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

What do you want , a medal, or a saint-hood ?   There are probably millions of people  working and living away from their families, 

But this  guy was not working...... he was 'chasing his dreams'...and 'away with his girlfriend', who I guess is not the mother of the kids left in Manchester. 

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

But this  guy was not working...... he was 'chasing his dreams'...and 'away with his girlfriend', who I guess is not the mother of the kids left in Manchester. 

You seem to believe everything that you read here, 

[jacko45k]

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

You seem to believe everything that you read here, 

Well not everything, as it seems very contradictory, I have also read The Manchester Evening News. Between them they even seem unable to say  who ran into whom.  If you know more, or have any facts, don't be shy!

[Yellowtail]

7 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Just like you, I  don't know how much money he has or had in the bank, or whether he was unemployed or not, So in the absence of any reliable or credible info  It is not my place or yours to judge him,   The fact that you are so quick to label him as selfish leads me to think you are indulging in a little virtue signalling

What we do know is that his family is left begging for money to pay his not very large hospital bills, and his children will probably only have a few newspaper articles to remember him by. 

 

When I was 31 I was in a hospital with no insurance and ended up on disability for five years as a result of my running around the country getting hammered doing my best to impregnate all the women I could. I think that was pretty selfish, and I did not have a wife and children. 

 

That you do not see the guy's behavior as selfish leads me to understand a lot about the kind of man you are as well. 

[KhaoYai]

On 3/13/2023 at 9:25 AM, Yellowtail said:

So everyone not wearing a helmet one night in jail and bike confiscated until the rider shows with a helmet to pick it up. 

 

Perfect! 

Good idea, maybe they'd learn eh?

[KhaoYai]

23 hours ago, kwilco said:

You can't even identify a fact

I have driven far more than you on Thai roads and am currently doing so  ..  the fact that you cite this just shows howblittle you understand what you see.

It is pointless discussing this with a "flat earther" like yourself.

You have absolutely no idea how much I have driven - many thousands of kilometers actually and in just about every part of the country but this is not a competition..  It is very possible to driven millions of miles on Thai roads and still not know what's going on - you seem to be a good example of that. There is nothing complicated about what goes on on Thai roads.  The laws exist, they are not enforced and therefore we have the Wild West mayhem that some of us will see everyday.  And who is ultimately responsible for that?  Unless laws are enforced, there will always be those that break them.

 

Thailand's roads and the thousands of deaths and injuries that occur on them every year are a perfect example of what happens when you don't enforce laws.  Its not a complex issue at all - its quite simple.  Enforce the law and make the fines and punishments a proper deterrent.  If people can't afford to pay high fines or lose their licence, well they have a choice don't they.

 

Seeing what happens on Thai roads and knowing what needs to be done to make them safer are not a factors that are determined by how long you've lived there or how many miles you've driven. 

 

Just about every time I drive far in Thailand I see examples of extremely bad driving, poorly maintained vehicles etc. etc.  Sometimes I don't have to drive far at all to see people riding motorcycles without a crash helmet. 

 

You accuse me of picking a single issue - OK then, seeing as we're talking about road safety how about all the other things that can be seen every day on Thai roads - absolutely crazy driving, people coming down the hard shoulder inside of you on the expressway as your about to exit left, running red lights well after the light changed, motobikes and sometimes cars out on unlit roads at night with no lights working at all, bikes and cars driving the wrong way down the side of a main road, etc. ect. etc?

 

Complex? How much does a bike back light bulb cost for christ's sake?  I've lost count of the number of bikes with no lights I've almost cleaned up at night around my Thai home and I'm convinced that one day I will kill one of them.

 

Why do these things happen?  Because the laws are not enforced and the punishments are not severe enough to act as a deterrent - especially when roadside 'fines' end up in someone's back pocket. The fact that people are poor is no excuse for not having punishments that act as a deterrent. We all have a choice and if we can't afford the penalty, we shouldn't be so ready to break the law.

 

The state's role?  To create laws and ensure that they are properly enforced - ultimate responsibility.

 

Around 4 weeks from now (Songkran) we will see reports of hundreds of deaths and injuries on Thailand's roads. Shortly afterwards we will see the annual round of announcements by the government that this or that will be done and within a few months it will all be forgotten. The same thing happens year after year and nothing changes - except the body count rises.

 

The Earth is not flat?  Well, you learn something new every day

[Pedrogaz]

5 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Good idea, maybe they'd learn eh?

I'm not at all sure that the roads and prison cells of Thailand are a very good learning environment.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, The Fugitive said:

I'm sure I've read that there is a bigger case for wearing the correct type of gloves, boots and leathers. Being 'degloved' to the extent that there isn't enough skin remaining to perform skin grafts is the biggest killer. 

The main chronic injuries in Thailand are to feet...... flip-flops just don't hack it as M/C footwear.

[kwilco]

On 3/16/2023 at 5:54 AM, GinBoy2 said:

None of us deserve medals for just living up to our responsibilities, that just being an adult!

 

Kids need their parents, Mom and Dad.

If you ain't up to that I'd suggest looking up condom in the dictionary

Well how about your "responsibilities" to your fellow man....don't see much of that in your posts.

[The Fugitive]

14 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The main chronic injuries in Thailand are to feet...... flip-flops just don't hack it as M/C footwear.

Absolutely spot on! My Thai niece riding a moto when aged 15 collided with a lamp post. She had to have her great toe plus a diagonal section of her foot amputated. People make fun of the way she walks. Not nice.

[Mark mark]

1 hour ago, The Fugitive said:

I'm sure I've read that there is a bigger case for wearing the correct type of gloves, boots and leathers. Being 'degloved' to the extent that there isn't enough skin remaining to perform skin grafts is the biggest killer. 

I Always Wore a Full face Helmet and Boots, for my Whole motor cycling life, even here, well for ANY Fast Riding. Maybe that is why I am still hear, with a Head, ... and 2 good feet.

 

But lately I have started Just going down the local shop ? a slow and very Un Crowded road only .... in Flop Flops and my Full face disappeared some time ago. ...

 

If you are going on a fast Road, or Busy Highway !!!!!! MOST definitely Boots and Helmut !!!  I only wore Gloves in the Cold ? But well we all are different. ... BOOTS ! and HELMETS, is just basic though as well What is the first thing that hits the Road if you come off ??? .. Your Feet !!! .... and then what more likely that not can kill you ??? Head Injurys.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, kwilco said:

I don't think it is even reliably established whether he was wearing a hat or not?

It is in the OP, said by his family: 'His heartbroken family claims he was hit by a driver travelling at high speed while he was riding his motorbike with no helmet."

[Mark mark]

58 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

I Always Wore a Full face Helmet and Boots, for my Whole motor cycling life, even here, well for ANY Fast Riding. Maybe that is why I am still hear, with a Head, ... and 2 good feet.

 

But lately I have started Just going down the local shop ? a slow and very Un Crowded road only .... in Flop Flops and my Full face disappeared some time ago. ...

 

If you are going on a fast Road, or Busy Highway !!!!!! MOST definitely Boots and Helmut !!!  I only wore Gloves in the Cold ? But well we all are different. ... BOOTS ! and HELMETS, is just basic though as well What is the first thing that hits the Road if you come off ??? .. Your Feet !!! .... and then what more likely that not can kill you ??? Head Injurys.

Oh, I must add, that I always used a full face Helmut but with the Perspex Face Cover Removed !!! Like having CLEAR Vision, is just So SO important for Safe Bike Riding ... 

 

... To be able to see the road ahead ! Precisely, AND it's surface !!! Like where your tires are going to go !!! .... Like is it rough ? or is it smooth ? ... is there any Gravel there ? (And +++ on that one) ... is there any Rubber ground in to it ? ... or spilt fuel or Oil ??? ... All really crucial factors when you are riding on two wheels, and especially if at Speed. 

 

Like Good Clear Vision is just about the Start I think ! ... and then Good Clear THINKING about how you are going to handle it !!! ... probably the second most Important. and then the eternal Escape Direction and Plan, for if something goes wrong, ... A plan that you always should have on a Bike also.

 

... And well full faces with the Visor down, get hot, and well stuffy. ?...  Like easy to go to sleep in side them at Night, like my Brother In Law did, after working all day !!!  ... Crossed the road, and drove straight in to the front of a parked Truck at full speed !!! ... Results nee, just totally amazing ! and Fast out of it Chartwork to save his Life !!!  ... (Which he lost later on ... Probably because of regular drinking of the Caffeine Mix while working long hours on a Building site. ... and his wife quietly confirmed this to me, as she thought that also.)

 

... Yes wear a full face, ... But take the Perspex Face mask off. ... A sun Visor is OK up the top, ... as it deflect the wind, ... but the Face mask is only a hindrance to your safety I think. ??? ... Personally and well 67 Rode a bike for Years !!! and still alive. ... ( Only got hit in the face with stuff a couple of times also, as Really You can see it coming Really, so Duck !!! or just turn your head !!!  )

[kwilco]

20 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

It is in the OP, said by his family: 'His heartbroken family claims he was hit by a driver travelling at high speed while he was riding his motorbike with no helmet."

As I said there is no reliable information... there is no reason to suppose they know any more than you do.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, Mark mark said:

I Always Wore a Full face Helmet and Boots, for my Whole motor cycling life, even here, well for ANY Fast Riding. Maybe that is why I am still hear, with a Head, ... and 2 good feet.

 

But lately I have started Just going down the local shop ? a slow and very Un Crowded road only .... in Flop Flops and my Full face disappeared some time ago. ...

 

If you are going on a fast Road, or Busy Highway !!!!!! MOST definitely Boots and Helmut !!!  I only wore Gloves in the Cold ? But well we all are different. ... BOOTS ! and HELMETS, is just basic though as well What is the first thing that hits the Road if you come off ??? .. Your Feet !!! .... and then what more likely that not can kill you ??? Head Injurys.

Most accidents happen within 5 km from home.

The length of your journey has nothing to do with it and even speed is only a part of it.

You can come off a stationary bike and die.

You just can't imagine the possibilities and of course that's when crashes happen.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, Mark mark said:

What is the first thing that hits the Road if you come off ??? .. Your Feet !!!

That is simply not true...it is usually Head and hands

[kwilco]

Just now, kwilco said:

That is simply not true...it is usually Head and hands

Unless you ride a recumbent?

[kwilco]

21 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

Oh, I must add, that I always used a full face Helmut but with the Perspex Face Cover Removed !!! Like having CLEAR Vision, is just So SO important for Safe Bike Riding ... 

 

... To be able to see the road ahead ! Precisely, AND it's surface !!! Like where your tires are going to go !!! .... Like is it rough ? or is it smooth ? ... is there any Gravel there ? (And +++ on that one) ... is there any Rubber ground in to it ? ... or spilt fuel or Oil ??? ... All really crucial factors when you are riding on two wheels, and especially if at Speed. 

 

Like Good Clear Vision is just about the Start I think ! ... and then Good Clear THINKING about how you are going to handle it !!! ... probably the second most Important. and then the eternal Escape Direction and Plan, for if something goes wrong, ... A plan that you always should have on a Bike also.

 

... And well full faces with the Visor down, get hot, and well stuffy. ?...  Like easy to go to sleep in side them at Night, like my Brother In Law did, after working all day !!!  ... Crossed the road, and drove straight in to the front of a parked Truck at full speed !!! ... Results nee, just totally amazing ! and Fast out of it Chartwork to save his Life !!!  ... (Which he lost later on ... Probably because of regular drinking of the Caffeine Mix while working long hours on a Building site. ... and his wife quietly confirmed this to me, as she thought that also.)

 

... Yes wear a full face, ... But take the Perspex Face mask off. ... A sun Visor is OK up the top, ... as it deflect the wind, ... but the Face mask is only a hindrance to your safety I think. ??? ... Personally and well 67 Rode a bike for Years !!! and still alive. ... ( Only got hit in the face with stuff a couple of times also, as Really You can see it coming Really, so Duck !!! or just turn your head !!!  )

Sounds like you have little experience of well ventilated hot weather helmets.

[IvorBiggun2]

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Most accidents happen within 5 km from home.

Guess again.

[FritsSikkink]

12 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 there is no reason to suppose they know any more than you do.

They could have received information from the police through the embassy.

[Ralf001]

8 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

They could have received information from the police through the embassy.

The police were actually involved ?

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

Well find a better set then... or are you better placed to put forward a theory?

What you quoted: "Studies estimate that wearing a helmet reduces the risk of dying in a crash by 37 to 42%; and. Unhelmeted riders are 3 times more likely than helmeted ones to sustain traumatic brain injuries in the event of a crash." 

 

Someone else made a similar claim, posted a link to the "study" and it said nothing of the sort. 

 

For every accident with a serious injury, there are 100 with little or no injury. 

 

And is this supposed to be data from Thailand or the US or what? 

[Mark mark]

8 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Sounds like you have little experience of well ventilated hot weather helmets.

Well Yes, No I do not. ...  I should try one in my Next Life !  Though well If I get a Good little Yamie 360 4 stroke in this one, ... maybe I will try one then also. ... Well for sure I will. Can you surges any ? (Just the basic Good but simple ones) (I had a Shoe I think before the top one ? back then like 45 years ago now !!!) or is that against Site rules ? ...

 

Thanks, though well The Perspex still gets scratched, and well it IS just a hassle, if you do REALY Like REAL, Direct vision of the Road ahead of you ??? .... I think.

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

The police were actually involved ?

Quite likely with a serious accident like this.

[kwilco]

5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

They could have received information from the police through the embassy.

You seem to have a very elementary approach to this... in fact somewhat naive.

Firstly the family are the last people to look objectively at this and have already made unfounded allegations about the pickup.

Then you cite that they might be citing the police, another notoriously unreliable source of information too. Have you read the crash report? I'd suggest no, because there probably isn't one.

In fact just about everything on this incident is assumption speculation and conjecture....not to mention little bit of spin.

[kwilco]

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

Quite likely with a serious accident like this.

The police are usually "involved" quite often to the detriment of the truth