Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

As I read comments on various media and social media as the Cult bends over pretzel-like to defend their messiah, I am reminded how accurate Hillary was about trump's cult. In fact, she was somewhat generous in only going so far as to call them "Deplorables".

 

From a purely economic prospective (putting aside for a moment the immorality of a Cult that thinks democracy only applies when one's candidate wins), analysis of the Counties trump carried in the election produce per capita GDP at only 11% the rate of Counties trump lost.

 

Looking at the major States trump carried, this is no surprise, though the % almost makes trumpistan look worse than Venezuela. States like WV, KY, TN and MS has the highest per capita rate of Social Security Disability Insurance, and they are major 'takers' from the Federal Budget, whereas the bills are paid by Blue States like CA, NY, NJ and MA.

California seems to have plenty of "disabled" now and these bills are becoming more difficult to pay. The place seems to be going to hell.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/16/california-25b-deficit-00068081

 

https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-decline-warning-american-cities-1801200

[wwest5829]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

To be fair, persecuting your chief political opponent after 6 years of other credibility destroying BS hoaxes IS a crime against democracy.

 

Let the people decide at the ballot box. Bit late for that now after this election interference. Democracy doesn't mean the left running roughshod over the laws to finally nail their nemesis(on accused offenses our own team has also committed).

Four independent citizen based Grand Juries heard the evidence and determined there was reason to charge the defendant  and bring them to trial. Now, an additional four Trial Juries made up of independent American citizens will listen to the facts presented and determine if all or any or the 91 separate charges of illegality are valid. My bet is on this total of over 100 American citizens to make the determination.

[ozimoron]

Co-defendant in Georgia says false electors met at Trump’s ‘direction’

Shawn Still is a Georgia Republican charged alongside the former president in a racketeering conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election.

 

"Mr. Still, as a presidential elector, was also acting at the direction of the incumbent president of the United States,” his attorney Thomas Bever said Thursday. “The president’s attorneys instructed Mr. Still and the other contingent electors that they had to meet and cast their ballots on Dec. 14, 2020.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/24/co-defendant-georgia-trump-indictment-00112932

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

10 out of the first 12 US presidents enslaved blacks. 

Black people weren't allowed to vote in all states, in my lifetime! 

Hardly anything new. 

Hardly something to set any kind of a standard by.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

The Biden camp will pull all their dirty tricks out the bag to make sure that doesn't happen. 

Trump, an upstanding, ex-President of the US, has no criminal record and has 91 felonies thrown at him before he runs for re-election 555. You couldn't make this up. Sleepy could have been a bit more discrete about it. 

OK, I hit the laughing face but really … so sad to read such comments. I would welcome Trump as a candidate. If the voting American citizens would not firmly, overwhelmingly reject him … so be it, I would no longer have a country to believe in and defend.

[Neeranam]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Put some money on it. Should be an even surer bet than buying bitcoin.

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here. 

 

[RocketDog]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it. 

Really. I don't care.

 

I just want him gone. As you say, I loathe the man.

 

If you are right about your conspiracy theory at least this time something good will come of it. The ends much more than justify the means.

Sad perhaps, but I'm so deathly tired of the man and the destruction that follows him everywhere.

 

I don't care if he's killed, dies, flees the country into exile, or goes up in smoke as long as he's gone.

[HappyExpat57]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here. 

 

Yeah . . . right. THAT'S why multiple groups of grand jury members gave "thumbs up" on indicting him after carefully weighing the evidence.

 

Honestly, I can't fathom how people can be so blind. Overwhelming evidence that ensures convictions (MULTIPLE convictions, mind you!) yet people still dance to his tunes, jump when he snaps his fingers. Absolutely mind boggling!

[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Really. I don't care.

 

I just want him gone. As you say, I loathe the man.

 

If you are right about your conspiracy theory at least this time something good will come of it. The ends much more than justify the means.

Sad perhaps, but I'm so deathly tired of the man and the destruction that follows him everywhere.

 

I don't care if he's killed, dies, flees the country into exile, or goes up in smoke as long as he's gone.

I want that snake to pay for his crimes. He needs to be made an example to others considering doing the same thing but with sneakier tweaks.

[RocketDog]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

I want that snake to pay for his crimes. He needs to be made an example to others considering doing the same thing but with sneakier tweaks.

That would be my preference.

My point is that I don't really carry if he's being unjustly persecuted or not, whether the justice department is biased, or any of the other right wing rants.

I'm willing to sacrifice my own ethics and morals to see the man gone.

IMO America is going down a bad road; avoiding the mistake of leaving this man in any capacity to influence others is worth any sacrifice of ethics. If USA is going to hell I just want him gone with it.

All I know is what America used to stand for and this man definitely ain't that.

[heybruce]

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here. 

 

And the Georgia Secretary of State explained that all those things had been investigated, there was no fraud and the election results stood.  Yet Trump persisted.

[ozimoron]

30 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here.

Doing his job? Didn't the SoS know his own job? How does asking for a precise number of votes fit into this? Not to mention Trump mentioning that there might be legal consequences in the offing. Turns out there were. 

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

And this is exactly the problem. If you can't see that he is racist, then you have a severe problem.  I KNOW I shouldn't provide you with proof, and that it's a waste of time cuz you won't accept facts. I just can't help myself:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-racism-election-obama-018824651613

 

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-attacks-on-prosecutors-echo-long-history-of-racist-language

 

I could go on, but I grow bored with wasting my time.

It doesn't look that way to me.

[pacovl46]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it. 

Newsflash: he brought this totally onto himself and now he's paying the price, deservedly so I might add, and no matter how long you're gonna twist and turn that in your head, it won't change the fact. He's a megalomaniac and he should've never become president in the first place. He will also go down as one of the worst, if not THE worst, president the USA ever had! By the way, apparently he was the first US president, whom all still alive previous presidents warned against reelecting him. If that's true it says it all! 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Newsflash: he brought this totally onto himself and now he's paying the price, deservedly so I might add, and no matter how long you're gonna twist and turn that in your head, it won't change the fact. He's a megalomaniac and he should've never become president in the first place. He will also go down as one of the worst, if not THE worst, president the USA ever had! By the way, apparently he was the first US president, whom all still alive previous presidents warned against reelecting him. If that's true it says it all! 

If Trump gets elected as President again in the next election , would he then become the worst President and the second worst President ?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If Trump gets elected as President again in the next election , would he then become the worst President and the second worst President ?

It'll be a long time before any other president claims that mantle. Not too often that a sitting president organizes an insurrection to remain in power.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That's why MAGA targeted that county for election interference. And now they cry about being tried in a deep blue state. You can't make this stuff up.

I think it was targeted after so many reported irregularities during the election itself.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think it was targeted after so many reported irregularities during the election itself.

We know what you think. We also know that you're unable to elucidate what those irregulariies might be. If only the authorities would open their eyes and look, right?

 

I wonder how a deep blue county manged to elect a democratic candidate.

Edited August 25, 2023 by ozimoron

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

We know what you think. We also know that you're unable to elucidate what those irregulariies might be. If only the authorities would open their eyes and look, right?

No, you don't.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

No, you don't.

Had you cared to explain I might not have had to guess.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here. 

 

That's not what is in the telephone call recording - that's what your internet friends have told you he said.

 

"I just need you to find me 11,000 more votes" is pretty explicit, especially when he said "there could be serious consequences if you don't".

Edited August 25, 2023 by Danderman123

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It'll be a long time before any other president claims that mantle. Not too often that a sitting president organizes an insurrection to remain in power.

That just shows Trumps dedication to the job as President , the lengths that he will go to to be successful . 

   He is willing to fight for his job and his beliefs and that shows a tremendous amount of dedication 

[HappyExpat57]

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It doesn't look that way to me.

As I said, that's EXACTLY the problem! It looks like a racist, walks like a racist, quacks like a racist, but you just don't WANT it to be a racist so, as 45 has been so fond of saying, "Don't believe your eyes, believe what I tell you."

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Looking at the charge of election fraud, what nonsense. 

Read the transcript, they're was no criminal intent, he was purely asking the the secretary of state in Georgia to do his job, to look at irregularities in the voting process.  Invalid votes being counted, valid votes not being counted, election laws being violated, and asking for a recount. No crime here. 

 

Let me ask you a simple question:

 

Do you think that Ruby Freeman and Wandrea "Shaye" Moss committed election fraud, as Trump alleged?

 

Yes or no?

[HappyExpat57]

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If Trump gets elected as President again in the next election , would he then become the worst President and the second worst President ?

Thankfully that won't happen. He has been consistently losing as have all who have associated themselves with him. Still no reason to get complacent, the one thing I admire about Republicans is their way of getting the votes out, even when they do so dishonestly.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

As I said, that's EXACTLY the problem! It looks like a racist, walks like a racist, quacks like a racist, but you just don't WANT it to be a racist so, as 45 has been so fond of saying, "Don't believe your eyes, believe what I tell you."

Trump didn't say that , you made that quote up

[Red Forever]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Reminds me of Thaksin when the Junta went after him politically.

 

The only difference being, Trump is staying to defend himself instead of Thaksin who fled the country.

 

Lots of parallels between Thailand under the Junta and the US under Biden. Sad times.

Hmm, anti-liberal bias wrapped up in support for the sex offending, disgraced former president.

How subtle.

[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Trump didn't say that , you made that quote up

https://madmikesamerica.com/2021/05/how-american-democracy-is-slip-slip-sliding-away/

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/25/politics/donald-trump-vfw-unreality/index.html

 

There's more, but you won't accept facts if you believe in a lying megalomaniac.

 

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Had you cared to explain I might not have had to guess.

Nothing to explain. My reply was to your first line. You don't know what I think.

[spidermike007]

Locking this man up will be the only effective way of stopping a lifetime of criminal activity and grifting. Prison, please.