Petition submitted against Thaksin seeking Royal pardon

[motdaeng]

13 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Well, let’s not forget who wanted him out in the first place.

maybe his grandchildren?

[Skeptic7]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imagine he thought he had a deal and then he had to stay in jail for years. ????

 

Been imagining him behind bars for a decade and a half❗Still hoping. 

[Spock]

1 hour ago, neeray said:

To demonstrate to the common folk that the law is applied equally to all, Thaksin needs to serve his 8 years. 

Ok, let him out in 2 or 3 years if good behaviour. That includes NOT meddling in politics.

 

To demonstrate that the law is equally applied to all, the Red Bull heir would be languishing now in a Thai jail. Thais are not particularly concerned and never have been at what appearances may suggest about the justice system. 

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't think he has a deal.

He might have convinced many people to do this and that and he thought that he covered 100% of his way out of prison. And maybe he will come out soon.

But sometimes you think you have to think about 100 things, but in reality you had to think about 101 things. And then at some time you find out that little thing, which you didn't think about, makes your life difficult. That could happen. I guess it is not likely, but it's not impossible that he will stay a little longer in jail. 

17 years of freedom jet-setting around the world in the lap of luxury...

He didn't come back to stay in jail, to have the grandchildren come and visit him behind bars..

They could have flown around the world to visit him anytime anywhere.

He's done a deal and it's already started to play out

[nobodysfriend]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Thai Pakdee party submitted a petition to Corrections Department director general on Monday, opposing any attempt by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to seek a Royal pardon.

That , definitely , is not helping Thaksin's case .

The Pheu Thai betrayal ( it's concessions to the military dominated parties ) , led to a decline of about 60% of the voter's confidence in the party .

And now , if the people who voted for them , feel that all this what happened was already set up before , the " public opinion " might become unfavorable to Thaksin's release .

In this case a ' royal pardon ' would not be a popular decision , and could lead to more problems ...

Thaksins return story made the news in many countries , and the outcome of it is decisive of how Thailand will be regarded by the rest of the world . ( Reputation already damaged anyway )

That is a ' slippery slope ' and the decision to grant a ' royal pardon to Thaksin may implicate far reaching consequences ...

[nobodysfriend]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Thai Pakdee party submitted a petition to Corrections Department director general on Monday, opposing any attempt by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to seek a Royal pardon.

Double post , sorry ...

[ChipButty]

11 hours ago, transam said:

Perhaps the deal is/was already done............????

My wifes theory is the deal was already done, but I'm not mentioning any names just yet, 

[Henryford]

Of course he will get a pardon. That was part of the deal PT made to betray their voters.

[Scouse123]

In the murky world of Thai politics there is time yet for things to unravel for Thaksin.

 

I think a lot of the support and fan-base has dwindled. Pheu Thai has betrayed its followers and they are not the all powerful party that they were before,Their power is greatly diluted and they are in a large coalition, many of who do not like Thaksin.

 

He is now in the clutches of the establishment and has been sentenced by the Supreme Court. He could have made a huge mistake with his calculated risk of returning.

 

Only time will tell, but it  may not be the foregone conclusion everybody is expecting. He's played his cards and is now in Thai custody.

 

However, I do think that in Thailand just like any country in the world the people will get bored or " full up of Thaksin's circus " with the whole affair and lose interest. Then it will drop out of the news or at least be deemed not as newsworthy.

 

As a footnote, every prisoner has the right to seek a King's Royal pardon.

 

It usually takes years and years and travels painstakingly slow as it progresses through the system.

 

Of course, it will be short circuited by a man of his power, money and means to get this matter dealt with a lot quicker than the average Joe.

[kingstonkid]

11 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

He may also die in the hospital. 

Nah if that was going to happen you would have the throngs of supporters outside the hospital.

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thaksin’s petition, if granted, would be unjust and emphasise legal and social inequality in the country, he said, and would confirm the axiom that, in Thailand, prison is just for the poor.

 

From a party which campaigned on a platform of hugely extending the scope and use of the lese majeste laws, and absolutely no constitutional reform. A party which was founded to oppose the student demonstrations of the last couple of years, demands the "closure of spaces" at university campuses for any demonstrators, or groups which it considers as progressive or subversive ( defined by them); a party which further demands that foreign countries extradite any critics of the Thai government. A party with a mass membership of some 13,000 and which failed to win any seats in the general election!

[ChipButty]

He still has lots of enemies in Thailand 

[herfiehandbag]

6 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Of course he will get a pardon. That was part of the deal PT made to betray their voters.

Unless they are in turn double crossed.

 

The clever bar stewards knew that Pheu Thai's massive support guaranteed big problems if Thaksin remained in prison. However they may have calculated that by subsuming Pheu Thai into the establishment they have significantly reduced that support base - they probably have; however that doesn't necessarily mean that popular support for Thaksin as an individual has been similarly removed. It is worth noting that his daughter, who was let us face it the lead campaigner and "pin up" for the campaign has no place in the government they are forming.

[bamnutsak]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“Therefore, Thaksin’s petition for a Royal pardon would “bother” the King,” Anand said.

Interesting that someone in the leadership of a political party, albeit an ultra-Royalist one, can invoke what might "bother" the King?

 

 

[thailand49]

A number of things will happen as time goes by? 

He is really sick will die soon. 

He will be pardon in a few months just when when a bigger event comes along public be so tired just don't care any longer. Leaders will do it regardless knowing people wishes are secondary the election result is the best example. 

This will just drag on and on he will be in home detention free to come and go within the country until he dies.  ????

[Thailand]

The deal was done at the highest level.

That is why he is back and why MFP are no longer a force for the time being and PT joined up with 10 other parties to form a government.

[FarangJon]

Just a corrupt chinese gangster and a big piece of sh..

He will be free man soon. I knew it, that thiswill happen, when he will   be e back. U just need to bribe the police and politicans.

[retarius]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Absolutely....   News reports coming to a stand near you (at any time in the next few weeks).

- Thaksin needs vital 24 hour medical care he can only get at home.

 

 

 

Perhaps, but then again it might be true.

[mania]

13 hours ago, transam said:

Perhaps the deal is/was already done............????

Pretty much the only way he would have returned in the first place

[crazykopite]

The corrupt fugitive would never have returned unless it was a done deal the Junta needed him to keep the MFP out of government dealings have been going on well before he returned personally I think he should spend time in prison he should not receive any preferential treatment as for the sickness that to is a load of ????????

[mrfill]

Have these people not read the script?

[Cabradelmar]

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Ok, I admit this is not exactly likely. But it's a wonderful thought.

And let's not forget that he has powerful friends. But he also has powerful enemies. Thinks can go wrong.

Exactly. And his 2 biggest enemies are the 2 most dominant institutions (the military and monarchy).

[kingstonkid]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imagine he thought he had a deal and then he had to stay in jail for years. ????

 

I really think the next election is going to be very interesting.  It could be the end of a lot of the parties

 

PT is going to get creamed for not keeping their promises and for siding with he military just to bring Thaksin Who is going to be a dead weight for everyone hime.

 

Dems are going to get hit with the disorganization and the fact that 16 of their members sided with the military and PT., as well as not objecting to the way Thaksin is being feted as the returning hero.

 

PPRP and UTN are going to hurt because they brought Thaksin back as well as their desire to have the Senate act in their best interestes and not the country

 

MFP while staying true to their promises have said and done nothing about Thaksin not sure that is the best move unless part of their agreement with PT Coalitoin was to bring him back.  Also this idea of I did not win so I am not going to play attitude to being the opposition is going to hurt them with a few people.  They need to be opposition so that they can learn to govern.

 

 

 

[phetpeter]

IF he is RP'ed then it should be that every prisoner over 65 plus those who have the same 'illness' as him, should also be pardoned, that would be fair.

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

I really think the next election is going to be very interesting.  It could be the end of a lot of the parties

 

PT is going to get creamed for not keeping their promises and for siding with he military just to bring Thaksin Who is going to be a dead weight for everyone hime.

 

Dems are going to get hit with the disorganization and the fact that 16 of their members sided with the military and PT., as well as not objecting to the way Thaksin is being feted as the returning hero.

 

PPRP and UTN are going to hurt because they brought Thaksin back as well as their desire to have the Senate act in their best interestes and not the country

 

MFP while staying true to their promises have said and done nothing about Thaksin not sure that is the best move unless part of their agreement with PT Coalitoin was to bring him back.  Also this idea of I did not win so I am not going to play attitude to being the opposition is going to hurt them with a few people.  They need to be opposition so that they can learn to govern.

In principle I agree with you. But will voters remember all this in maybe a few years?

Will they maybe vote for PT again because they promised extra money or something like that.

If people (not only in Thailand) would make rational decisions, then the world would be a better place. 

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, daveAustin said:

The coup folk committed treason and got a pardon, so who’s to say a former pm targeted with trumped up charges wouldn’t be able to apply for one?

Which charges are trumped up, please clarify by naming them and what parts are incorrect.

[Jackbenimble]

13 hours ago, eisfeld said:

They are not petitioning the King. They are petitioning the corrections department to not forward a request for a royal pardon if one came along. To decide which requests to forward is part of the official role of the corrections department.

 

But that's not at all the case. There are many possible requests for the Kings consent, pardons are just one of them. But in pretty much all cases there are lower parts of the system which are supposed to filter those requests before they reach the King. Otherwise there'd probably be an insurmountable amount of requests to consider. Similarily how you have to go through several layers of courts before being able to appeal a case to the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean a lower court gets to decide for the Supreme Court.

The Privvy Council make these decisions and The King historically has followed their advice. 

[sambum]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

It is the money that opens all doors.. and Thaksin has a lot of it... Shameful that everybody pretends he is treated as other inmates, but in 15 years exile he was never in hospital or nobody has heard he was sick, and suddenly in Thailand he gets sick. Besides there is a violation of section 112 but  he can seek for a Royal pardon.. How many protestor are being falsely accused of section 112 and did not get a pardon at all.. or even the hunger strikers last year.. they were ignored by the media and nobody could comment.. and a criminal can get what he want???? Shameful Thailand

"...............and suddenly in Thailand he gets sick."

 

It was reported quite some time ago that he was sick - all part of the plan - he didn't look particularly ill when he landed at DM airport!

If I remember correctly, he said he wanted to come back to Thailand to look after his grandchildren. How is he supposed to do that from inside a jail cell?

 

Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin:-

"a criminal  Army general can get what he want????" 

Yes, by taking the country by force in a coup and getting rid of the Democratically elected Government, installing himself as PM, and illegally altering the Constitution in favour of himself by installing 250 unelected Army Generals as Senators, in order that the future is "looked after"! Not often a Thai is "pro active"! "Shameful Thailand!"

[nahkit]

7 hours ago, Deserted said:

But its his right to seek a pardon, like everyone else's. They just don't like him.

I thought that prisoners had to serve a minimum of one third of their sentence before they became eligible to be considered for parole?

[nahkit]

7 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Khun Boss - 15yrs statute of limitation for reckless driving causing death (of a police officer) and can/will walk free.

Khun Thaksin - 15yrs in exile for some dodging dealings.... no statute of limitation must do 8yrs in jail.

 

Yep country has it priorities in order !!

You're comparing apples and oranges - the Red Bull heir has never been tried and convicted, Thaksin has. The statute of limitations only applies to how long prosecutors have to bring a case against the accused, there is no statute of limitations once you have been convicted.

 

p.s. yes, both should be in jail.