Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Danny Australia]

2 hours ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

why are the non-muslim people are joining these pro-hamas  movement .  they very well know islam dont love non-muslim 

 

Your comment is both racist, offensive and full of bigotry. 

Most people here might disagree on many political things, but certainly do not welcome religious bigotry towards any religion. 

Go away and try this foolish off topic comment and bigot fishing elsewhere. 

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Your comment is both racist, offensive and full of bigotry. 

Most people here might disagree on many political things, but certainly do not welcome religious bigotry towards any religion. 

Go away and try this foolish off topic comment and bigot fishing elsewhere. 

 

Funny. Don't recall seeing you that upset over antisemitic comments made on these topics.

Considering the sentiment above, it is interesting that you do not express much issues with Hamas ideology, rhetoric.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

An opinion, same as yours.

 

Israel has no plans to remove people from Gaza.

It's not hard to find an israeli ( ex ) minister that has openly expressed a desire for the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza. The others may not be openly saying it, though some have apparently hinted at it, but I'm pretty sure it's what they want.

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/departure-of-2m-inhabitants-solution-for-gaza-israeli-ex-minister/3062579

A former Israeli minister has said the "solution" to the situation in the Gaza Strip is the complete departure of its over 2 million Palestinian inhabitants.

Speaking on Israeli Channel 13, former Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, said recently that the city of Khan Younis, located in the southern Gaza Strip, would be turned into a "soccer field" with the help of God and the Israeli army.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, you believe 9/11 was justified?

Deflecting again?

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You assert that Israel is committing war crimes.

 

Given the Allied bombing campaign over Germany in WWII, what is IDF doing differently?

You are deflecting, again. How about answering the question? Is israel committing war crimes or not?

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You mean *these* photos?

Deflecting as usual. It's not WW2.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

On October 7, Gaza was not occupied.

You deflect again.

Gaza was not occupied, that's true, but it was under the complete control of israel which controlled every thing that went into it, and there was a land and sea blockade. In other words a defacto occupation in everything except the name.

I wonder how you would have liked living there. Do you ever put yourself in the shoes of those that you so obviously hate?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You deflect again.

Gaza was not occupied, that's true, but it was under the complete control of israel which controlled every thing that went into it, and there was a land and sea blockade. In other words a defacto occupation in everything except the name.

I wonder how you would have liked living there. Do you ever put yourself in the shoes of those that you so obviously hate?

You conveniently forgot to mention EGYPT.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

To be clear, I am not talking about legal definitions. Following your logic, the Nazis never committed war crimes.

 

If you would be more comfortable with other words:

 

The IDF invasion of Faza is morally comparable with the Allied bombing campaign of Germany during WWII.

Did the allies have guided bombs in WW2? Unless they did your argument is void, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Dead people don't care if the bombs that killed them are guided or not.

You are deflecting again. Don't quote me if you are not going to answer the question you quote.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So the Nazis committed no war crimes?

You are deflecting, again.

[Bkk Brian]

Vile and horrific

 

7 Hamas terrorists vs 1 Israeli woman.

They are not only terrorists, but also cowards.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets

 

Very compelling article explaining the high casualties in Gaza. Israel is relying on AI-based systems for the target creation process. They went from 50 targets a year to 100 a day.

 

“It really is like a factory. We work quickly and there is no time to delve deep into the target. The view is that we are judged according to how many targets we manage to generate.”

 

In early November, the IDF said “more than 12,000” targets in Gaza had been identified by its target administration division.

Apparently the AI can identify that a Hamas fighter is in his home in a residential building and they blow up the entire building to kill one guy.

They only get low level fighters as the leaders are in the tunnels.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This isn't a war, more like "a bit of a tidy up and mowing the lawn" or if you're a Palestinian a slaughter.

It's vile seeing western spokesmen trying to skirt the issue of thousands of innocent people being blown up, by using weasel words.

I hope they regret what they did the rest of their lives.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are deflecting, again. How about answering the question? Is israel committing war crimes or not?

no.

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are deflecting, again.

It's called "historical precedent". 

 

When you stand on the wrong side of history, you try to erase the past.

 

The Allies conducted a bombing campaign over Germany that killed many civilians, designed to eliminate the Nazis. The pro-Hamas types condemn Israel's attempts to eliminate Hamas through similar tactics as the Allies in WWII.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Danderman123

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

no.

Most of the people on the planet that know what is going on disagree with you, but you have your opinion, as I have mine.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

It's called "historical precedent". 

 

When you stand on the wrong side of history, you try to erase the past.

No, it's just deflecting.

Bit early to be saying how history will judge this, but I doubt it will be kind to israelis.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No, it's just deflecting.

Bit early to be saying how history will judge this, but I doubt it will be kind to israelis.

After Hamas is gone, they will be forgetten, like Al Qaida.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

The UN has a lot to answer for in being complicit and colluding with Hamas supporters.

 

Go to this twitter thread for the full details with links:

 

We easily identified 120 UNRWA teachers, school principals and other employees who praise Hitler, glorify terrorist attacks and spread antisemitism. UNRWA has never fired a single one. Our governments fund all of this with $1.2 billion a year. 

 

In addition, the doctors of Shifa have a lot in common:

 

International media and the Hamas supporting Doctors of Shifa

https://david-collier.com/doctors-shifa-hospital/

[Bkk Brian]

On 12/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

"There are massacres of civilians and children"

 

Palestinian man in Gaza curses Turkey and Qatar while talking to an Al-Jazeera (Qatari state TV) correspondent. "

The correspondent immediately ends the interview.

 

 

An even worse example of the censorship of Al Jazeera

 

"Al-Jazeera interviewed an old man in a Gaza hospital, The man criticized Israel for the destruction in Gaza (the journalist is happy).

But then he started to criticise Hamas, "Why is the resistance (Hamas) hiding among the people? They can go to hell and hide there!" 

(The journalist is not happy and cuts him off quickly)"

 

[Wobblybob]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are deflecting, again. How about answering the question? Is israel committing war crimes or not?

Israel would  be committing crimes if they did nothing and allowed these brainwashed Palestinians carte blanch to murder their own people, a choice you seem to favour. Israel is not going to lay down its weapons and allow terrorists to kill them and when that sinks in everyone will be much wiser. 

[Wobblybob]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No, it's just deflecting.

Bit early to be saying how history will judge this, but I doubt it will be kind to israelis.

You doubt wrongly! 

[Bkk Brian]

What many of us also suspected of course:

 

FROM AFP NEWS
US Says Hamas Did Not Want Women Hostages To Reveal Treatment

A deal to pause the Gaza war broke down in part because Hamas militants did not want Israeli women hostages to reveal what happened to them, a US official said Monday.

"It seems one of the reasons they don't want to turn women over that they've been holding hostage and the reason this pause fell apart is they don't want those women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody," State Department spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters.

Miller, citing sensitivities in discussing treatment of captives, declined to give details but said that the United States had "no reason to doubt" reports of sexual violence by Hamas.

https://www.barrons.com/news/us-says-hamas-did-not-want-women-hostages-to-reveal-treatment-b3f23cb7?refsec=topics_afp-news

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Your comment is both racist, offensive and full of bigotry. 

Most people here might disagree on many political things, but certainly do not welcome religious bigotry towards any religion. 

Go away and try this foolish off topic comment and bigot fishing elsewhere. 

 

What a remarkably ignorant comment; how can his comment possibly be racist, when neither Islam, or muslims are a race. You obviously don’t have the faintest idea whet racism actually is, even though you are from a country where the indigenous people have suffered racism for decades.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

An even worse example of the censorship of Al Jazeera

 

"Al-Jazeera interviewed an old man in a Gaza hospital, The man criticized Israel for the destruction in Gaza (the journalist is happy).

But then he started to criticise Hamas, "Why is the resistance (Hamas) hiding among the people? They can go to hell and hide there!" 

(The journalist is not happy and cuts him off quickly)"

 

 

The glaringly obvious bias of Al Jazeera exposed once again; this is why it is the go to news source for all the Hamas fanboys on here.

 

 

[ezzra]

 

Where were all the women rights and advocate of the world when the Hamas terrorists beat & rape and killed hundreds of helpless Israeli women who happened to be in a party? there are dozens of such organisations, non of them saw fit to speak up... 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

15 minutes ago, ezzra said:

 

Where were all the women rights and advocate of the world when the Hamas terrorists beat & rape and killed hundreds of helpless Israeli women who happened to be in a party? there are dozens of such organisations, non of them saw fit to speak up... 

 

 

Absolutely; there has been a deafening silence from “ Me Too” and the appalling, and utterly pointless “UN Women” had to be cajoled and pressurised into finally making a statement of condemnation.

 

[Rimmer]

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[Danderman123]

Nations have the right to defend their citizens from terrorist acts.

 

Anyone disagree?