Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Let an Australian school you on the Middle East. Egypt issues Palestinians laissez-faire travel passports.

But they can't travel to Egypt.... 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, i read  Israel decide if those in West bank get a passport, or not. 

 

 

   Let an Australian school you on the Middle East. Egypt issues Palestinians laissez-faire travel passports.

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Let an Australian school you on the Middle East. Egypt issues Palestinians laissez-faire travel passports.

 

OK, I can't find the reference so I may have read it wrong. I'll concede. What about your disgusting, lying accusations?

[Jingthing]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

OK, I can't find the reference so I may have read it wrong. I'll concede. What about your disgusting, lying accusations?

Your "school" seems designed to make people dumber.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I see he does, he says they are 2nd class citizens though, and Gaza/West Bank is worse.

 

 

Along with Al Jazeera, its not surprising you link to Middle East Eye, two peas in a pod, both funded by Qatar. 

 

Reuters retracts award for Palestinian over pro-Hitler, pro-terror comments

The Thomson Reuters Foundation rescinded its bestowal of a Kurt Schork Award in International Journalism on Palestinian freelance journalist Shatha Hammad after discovering old social media posts in which she praised Adolf Hitler. In a post the same year, Hammad described the terrorists that killed five Israelis in a terrorist attack as "martyrs." Hammad's comments glorifying Hitler and terrorism were initially exposed by media watchdog HonestReporting, which said that there were dozens of such comments. Hammad is based in the West Bank and works as a freelance correspondent for Middle East Eye 

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-719949

 

Yes she was finally sacked last year

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1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yep, Palestinian Muslim Arab Israelis  serve in the Government at top levels as well and play for Israel's National football team 

Got any actual data to back that claim up? And if so, what percentage?

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32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Let an Australian school you on the Middle East. Egypt issues Palestinians laissez-faire travel passports.

I'm not sure what a laissez faire passport is. The U.N. issues laissez passer travel document that can function like passports but only to officials.

As for Egypt issue passports to Palestinians, do you mean Palestinians living in the West Bank or in Gaza? Or Palestinian refugees in Egypt? The PA does have the authority to issue passports (although Israel does get some say in this) so I don't see why Palestinians living there would go to Egypt to get one. Not sure how the Israelis would regard a Palestinian who did that. I suspect that they would construe it to mean that said Palestinian is no longer a resident of the West Bank or Gaza and is therefore not entitled to return.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Got any actual data to back that claim up? And if so, what percentage?

 

   I don't know who currently serves on the Israeli government and thus do not know what the current percentage is, Ditto, Israel's football team 

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't know who currently serves on the Israeli government and thus do not know what the current percentage is, Ditto, Israel's football team 

I know the National football team has some, I remember reading about it soon after Oct 7th, can't be bothered to look now though, but did have a look for Arab Muslims in the Israel Knesset the country's legislative body so quite high up. There are currently 10 Arab Muslim members out of a total of 120 members. Not bad for a so called apartheid state (according to some)

 

I did also notice the under 20's football National team has quite a good selection:

 

'The most non-Israeli national team ever'

https://www.dw.com/en/how-israels-young-footballers-united-a-divided-country/a-65848034

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

   I don't know who currently serves on the Israeli government and thus do not know what the current percentage is, Ditto, Israel's football team 

 

Need some schoolin'?

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Got any actual data to back that claim up? And if so, what percentage?

 

Netanyahu did dramatically increase the number of Gazan work permits since he got back in control so it would be consistent.

[Nick Carter icp]

53 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Need some schoolin'?

 

 

  Please go ahead , although your schooling seems to be in Archelogy  

 

 

   * Digging up the past *

[ozimoron]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Please go ahead , although your schooling seems to be in Archelogy  

 

 

   * Digging up the past *

 

I quoted a current Israeli minister who claimed that Gaza belonged to Israel. You don't even know who the ministers are yet you support them.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

I quoted a current Israeli minister who claimed that Gaza belonged to Israel. You don't even know who the ministers are yet you support them.

 

 

 I merely correctly stated that Palestinians Muslin Arabs are represented in Israel's Parliament,. The Knesset  .

   Some  Arab Countries forbid Jews from holding such positions 

Where is the Apartheid ?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 I merely correctly stated that Palestinians Muslin Arabs are represented in Israel's Parliament,. The Knesset  .

   Some  Arab Countries forbid Jews from holding such positions 

Where is the Apartheid ?

 

Did I mention apartheid?

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Did I mention apartheid?

 Once again, this thread isn't all about you 

Me me me 

Why are pro Palsedtians supporters  so self obsessed and everything is about them 

 Me me me .

I . I.  I.  I 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 Once again, this thread isn't all about you 

Me me me 

Why are pro Palsedtians supporters  so self obsessed and everything is about them 

 Me me me .

I . I.  I.  I 

 

WTH? You asked me a direct question and I responded to it. Are you drunk? Seriously?

 

I'm not pro Palestinian other then I believe they have a right to exist within sovereign borders. That's it. No more or less.

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Haaretz Today | 

I Want to Believe the IDF Won't Shoot Unarmed Civilians Holding a White Flag

"I don't know how many people believe General Halevi when he says the IDF doesn't shoot those who have surrendered. Israeli soldiers have shot unarmed civilians in a few different incidents that have been caught on camera lately. In Israel, as well as in the West Bank and Gaza. "

https://archive.ph/JsIx1#selection-1015.0-1015.2

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2023-12-17/ty-article/.highlight/i-want-to-believe-the-idf-wont-shoot-unarmed-civilians-holding-a-white-flag/0000018c-7896-d301-a3ac-fed78b050000

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 11/25/2023 at 5:57 PM, Neeranam said:

Interesting info, thanks,

The problem with what he says is that it is an opinion...    

[bannork]

 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

The same old platitudes leading to nothing.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Haaretz Today | 

I Want to Believe the IDF Won't Shoot Unarmed Civilians Holding a White Flag

"I don't know how many people believe General Halevi when he says the IDF doesn't shoot those who have surrendered. Israeli soldiers have shot unarmed civilians in a few different incidents that have been caught on camera lately. In Israel, as well as in the West Bank and Gaza. "

https://archive.ph/JsIx1#selection-1015.0-1015.2

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2023-12-17/ty-article/.highlight/i-want-to-believe-the-idf-wont-shoot-unarmed-civilians-holding-a-white-flag/0000018c-7896-d301-a3ac-fed78b050000

I'm sure that they do sometimes and that is obviously very wrong. The question is what is the policy. It's very hard to believe that it's the policy of the IDF to not take surrendering prisoners. 

[Bkk Brian]

Huge tunnels found in Gaza, the biggest so far, a massive network costing millions, big enough to drive cars in. One tunnel outlet very close to the border 400 meters, when Hamas said Oct 7th would happen again they were serious.

 

This is insane. Hamas built a whole underground tunnel system wide enough for cars to drive through, and we’ve got video of Yahya Sinwar’s brother cruising through a tunnel.

 

[Bkk Brian]

EXPOSED: The biggest Hamas terrorist tunnel discovered.

This massive tunnel system branches out and spans well over four kilometers (2.5 miles). Its entrance is located only 400 meters (1,310 feet) from the Erez Crossing—used by Gazans on a daily basis to enter Israel for work and medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. 

This tunnel system was a project led by Mohammad Sinwar, the brother of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, and the commander of Hamas’ Khan Yunis Battalion.

 

[metisdead]

Israel finds large tunnel adjacent to Gaza border, raising new questions about prewar intelligence

 

The Israeli military said Sunday it has discovered a large tunnel shaft in Gaza close to what was once a busy crossing into Israel, raising new questions about how Israeli surveillance missed such conspicuous preparations by Hamas for the militants’ deadly Oct. 7 assault.

The entryway to the tunnel is just a few hundred meters (yards) from the heavily fortified Erez crossing and a nearby Israeli military base.

The military said it stretches for over 4 kilometers (2.5 miles), links up with a sprawling tunnel network across Gaza and is wide enough for cars to pass through. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/17/israel-finds-large-tunnel-adjacent-to-gaza-border-raising-new-questions-about-prewar-intelligence.html

 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Neeranam said:

A lot of people are thinking otherwise.

The israeli government ain't that stupid, I assume. Actually ordering soldiers to kill civilians would hopefully result in a visit to the ICC, but by not charging soldiers that do such it sends the message that it's OK to do such.

An individual soldier that does it is guilty of a crime, ordered or not, but as in the case of the journalist murdered by an israeli soldier, it's going to be covered up by the superiors.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, metisdead said:

Israel finds large tunnel adjacent to Gaza border, raising new questions about prewar intelligence

 

The Israeli military said Sunday it has discovered a large tunnel shaft in Gaza close to what was once a busy crossing into Israel, raising new questions about how Israeli surveillance missed such conspicuous preparations by Hamas for the militants’ deadly Oct. 7 assault.

The entryway to the tunnel is just a few hundred meters (yards) from the heavily fortified Erez crossing and a nearby Israeli military base.

The military said it stretches for over 4 kilometers (2.5 miles), links up with a sprawling tunnel network across Gaza and is wide enough for cars to pass through. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/17/israel-finds-large-tunnel-adjacent-to-gaza-border-raising-new-questions-about-prewar-intelligence.html

 

IMO there are 2 possible reasons. One is that intelligence knew and the government were waiting for an attack to use as an excuse for a final solution to Gaza ( I'm sure it's not the first time in history of such ), OR they were incompetent.

If anyone has a different opinion, lets see it.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Hardly a war when 99% of deaths are on one side. 

It's not a war when one side can kill the other side with impunity. That's a massacre.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 

 

First, they would notify northern Gaza residents to move south before a military operation commences, which Netanyahu already did. The operation would then advance from north to south, while keeping Egypt's Rafah crossing empty for easier access. Tent settlements and cities in northern Sinai would accommodate Palestinians. 

 

Can get from here

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/is-pm-netanyahu-planning-to-relocate-gazas-population-to-egypt-leaked-document-reveals-11698914235618.html

They could relocate them to the Negev desert, but they won't because they would still be in israel. They obviously want them out, but Sisi isn't going to play that game. America likes immigrants, so they could take them. That might make up for giving israel all those bombs to kill so many Gazans.

[Wobblybob]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not a war when one side can kill the other side with impunity. That's a massacre.

Prevention is better than cure. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They could relocate them to the Negev desert, but they won't because they would still be in israel. They obviously want them out, but Sisi isn't going to play that game. America likes immigrants, so they could take them. That might make up for giving israel all those bombs to kill so many Gazans.

I doubt they would want to go to a country that was responsible for their ethnic cleansing.