German accused faces criminal charges at home over under-age liaison with a 17-year-old Pattaya bar girl

[Spock]

1 minute ago, NextG said:

Don’t believe everything that you read 😊

It amazes me that people have such short memories or simply don’t bother with doing even the tiniest bit of research before commenting. 

Please explain. You are obviously privy to inside information.

[NextG]

Just now, Spock said:

Please explain. You are obviously privy to inside information.

Take a look at my previous posts of today

[Liverpool Lou]

16 minutes ago, NextG said:

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Plenty to see here.  She was employed as a prostitute in a bar, that is underage and bribing the police to escape Thailand's justice is illegal also.

Do you think that he offered the bribe?

Doesn't matter what I think and I'm not going to speculate but the officers concerned are being investigated.

[NextG]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Doesn't matter what I think and I'm not going to speculate but the officers concerned are being investigated.

Are they? 😊

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

She is a minor if she is working as a brass in a bar.  The German was having illegal sex with her, whether you see it as that or not.

I see it as a crime as serious as selling alcohol out of hours.

Maybe Big Joke should rethink his priorities and go looking for that Red Bull guy that murdered a policeman with his car.

[Spock]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I see it as a crime as serious as selling alcohol out of hours.

Maybe Big Joke should rethink his priorities and go looking for that Red Bull guy that murdered a policeman with his car.

Yep the Red Bull guy is 20 times more important than this aging German. What a blight on Thai justice that it will send its top cop to Germany over a hairline infraction but let a cop killer wander the world till the statute of limitations allows him to return. It's a sham and an absolute disgrace.

[rct99q]

Probably noted already, but I believe the reason the Thais' are going to Germany is to get info from the German guy regarding who he paid off. So the can investigate issues here in Thailand.

[Spock]

7 minutes ago, NextG said:

Take a look at my previous posts of today

If you have made any posts today in this thread, I can't find them.

[prakhonchai nick]

1 hour ago, AAArdvark said:

If you ask if it is a ladyboy or lady you can ask how old she is. Unless you don't care about either

A Thai will generally state he/she is 1 year older than actual. For example on attaining the age of 17. he /she is in the 18th year, and will say they are 18 years of age.

 

The guy was in a foreign country, in Sin City on holiday, where there are thousands of prostitutes plying their wares. No doubt this particular lass was trying seduce him as no doubt many of the other girls were. They only care about money. The older the customer the more likely she would not have to work so hard!   If she was working in a bar, and the guy duly paid the bar fine, then the bar/bar staff/bar management are the sole guilty parties!

[QuantumQuandry]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Then one has to ask, why would anyone lust after a young teenager when there are plenty of 21+ year old perfectly legal and equally beautiful available women?

 

So...Mr. "Swift"...have you considered that some of those girls who look 21 might be 17?

[prakhonchai nick]

18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

She is a minor if she is working as a brass in a bar.  The German was having illegal sex with her, whether you see it as that or not.

The German had no reason to suspect she was a minor. She was working in a bar, looking for customers to have sex with her. That is what she was employed to do. As such it was the duty of the bar management to check her credentials, and not the German's responsibiity.

 

If you take a bus, or taxi here in Thailand, do you first check that the driver has a valid driving licence------or indeed a driving licence at all???????

[roo860]

Would be better concentrating on what goes on with Thai men visiting knocking shops here in Thailand where underage girls a readily available. 

[NextG]

10 minutes ago, Spock said:

If you have made any posts today in this thread, I can't find them.

They have been within the past hour. Simply scroll back within the thread. 

[NextG]

14 minutes ago, rct99q said:

Probably noted already, but I believe the reason the Thais' are going to Germany is to get info from the German guy regarding who he paid off. So the can investigate issues here in Thailand.

They already know. Remember this investigation was wrapped up a year ago. 

[QuantumQuandry]

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

She is a minor if she is working as a brass in a bar.  The German was having illegal sex with her, whether you see it as that or not.

 

Yes, she was illegally working in a bar, doing illegal work for an employer that illegally employed her and then, at the end of that chain of illegality, a customer (perhaps unknowingly, perhaps not) committed an illegal act by participating in it.

 

*If* he wasn't aware of it, I consider this to be like going to Powermall and buying a TV, only to be arrested because Powermall sold you a stolen TV.  If he was aware, of course, it's a different matter.

[BusyB]

 

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread so if someone else got there first my apologies:

 

Age of consent in Germany is 14.

 

Age of consent to prostitution is 18. Commercial sex with someone under 18 potentially attracts jail of up to 5 years for the john.  

 

The age of majority is 18, therefore a person under the age of 18 cannot legally contract to commercial sex - it is regarded as exploitation/trafficking. I consider that correct, and, while I'm not sure if it's a legal statute, I'm sure a court would view it as such. 

 

Obviously age difference would also be considered as relevant. 55 to 17 won't get you out of jail faster.

[newbee2022]

5 hours ago, Crossy said:

Long ago

Exactly🥳

[Chongalulu]

7 hours ago, peter zwart said:

legal or not. Any older person that wants to stick his w!llie in a minor should be locked up. Also men here that think they can have a normal relation with a girl thats 35 years younger..........what a joke. Get youself examined.

It’s you that needs examination if you think people should be locked up for NOT breaking the law. Law by definition has to be precise,not how some vacuous,unthinking fool  determines what should be the subjective ruling according to whim of the day. Now exactly what age difference are you going to stipulate should apply and would it apply to say someone 75 years old having sex with a 40 year old? Want to have another think..?

Edited December 12, 2023 by Chongalulu

[Voodoochile]

7 hours ago, peter zwart said:

legal or not. Any older person that wants to stick his w!llie in a minor should be locked up. Also men here that think they can have a normal relation with a girl thats 35 years younger..........what a joke. Get youself examined.

Normal relation”??
no more likely he  just wanted to shag something young and tight.

 

secondly you better start building some prison cells cause most older men dream of or (“want”) young poon, doesn’t mean they will all go for it. But there is Nothing wrong at all as long as they have reached legal age of consent  to sex.

 

[norfolkandchance]

He's missed the Christmas Markets then.

[Scouse123]

7 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but that 'even if there is a Extradition Treaty' - why would they have one if it's unconstitutional?

 

1. They don't have an extradition treaty.

 

2. For Germany to prosecute it must be an illegal act in Germany, having sex with a 17-year-old isn't.

 

3. Big Joke is trying to take the focus off the fact that his RTP took bribes to let him go.

 

And that is also why they would never extradite him voluntarily for bilateral relations.

 

All European governments are well aware how filthy the RTP is.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Scouse123

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, Voodoochile said:

Normal relation”??
no more likely he  just wanted to shag something young and tight.

 

secondly you better start building some prison cells cause most older men dream of or (“want”) young poon, doesn’t mean they will all go for it. But there is Nothing wrong at all as long as they have reached legal age of consent  to sex.

Legal age of consent is usually for teenager having sex with teenager ... not pedophiles.  Age of consent in most civilized countries, have a age gap that is acceptable.  

 

Really makes one wonder when older men, 50-60-70 start stating 'age of consent'.  Just a wee bit too telling.   

 

A 50 yr old with my 14 - 15 -16 yr old daughter, and I would guarantee that he would never do that again.  

 

Glad many locals don't read this forum, as a bit embarrassing to say the least.

Edited December 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[ThaiFelix]

What a wood-duck!   Comes to Thailand, gets caught with an underage prostitute, escapes on bail? and then as if he shouldnt have praise the Gods he got away, has to go home and brag about it while pointing the finger at the police for impropriety!!   While telling all in order to show the Thai police as corrupt  he is tightening the noose around his own neck as he goes.

[Scouse123]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

Glad many locals don't read this forum, as a bit embarrassing to say the least.

 

 

Locals are the BIGGEST CULPRITS!

 

What are you talking about?

 

And there's a big difference between your 14,15 or 15-year-old daughters and a girl selling sex in a massage shop or dancing on a stage.

 

She doesn't want to work in the fields in Isaarn and prefers the cash, sex, drugs, and rock and roll and the bright lights of Sin City like many of them.

 

She isn't dragged there or handcuffed.

[FruitPudding]

The guy was either looking for:

 

1. an underage girl, or;

2. the youngest legal woman he could get his hands on.

 

In any case, he played with fire. 

 

Perhaps, she said she was 18 and maybe he didn't know that sex work is off limits till 20.

 

Hell, maybe she even said she was 20, and she may have looked it.

 

Who knows?

 

Nonetheless, this is not a game you should play and he has to blame himself, mostly.

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Locals are the BIGGEST CULPRITS!

 

What are you talking about?

 

And there's a big difference between your 14,15 or 15-year-old daughters and a girl selling sex in a massage shop or dancing on a stage.

 

She doesn't want to work in the fields in Isaarn and prefers the cash, sex, drugs, and rock and roll and the bright lights of Sin City like many of them.

 

She isn't dragged there or handcuffed.

There's a reason it's illegal.  Might want to actually think and consider that.  

 

A lot of forum members wouldn't be baby sitting or have a daughter of mine do a sleep over with their kids at their house.   A few need to take a long look in the mirror, especially if you have teenagers.

 

Have a nice day.  

[Scouse123]

I see them in the village around here going up to the local hookers joint to sit with, and go with men old enough to be their grandfathers.

 

I see them playing the Mia Noi to policemen and bragging about it, and all these are Thais.

 

I also see 13 and 14-year-old girls with babies in tow to local village boys.

 

A 17-year-old is not a minor in my view or in the view of European governments with their varying ages of consent, and certainly wasn't in Thailand years ago, when anything went.

 

So distasteful as it is, she was out there putting it on a plate and prostituting herself.

[sambum]

8 hours ago, peter zwart said:

legal or not. Any older person that wants to stick his w!llie in a minor should be locked up. Also men here that think they can have a normal relation with a girl thats 35 years younger..........what a joke. Get youself examined.

 

"Any older person that wants to stick his w!llie in a minor should be locked up."

Agreed, and one has to abide by the laws of the country you are in, but come on - 17 years old? Any 17 year old girl can look 10 years older with a bit of make up, and I am guessing that she didn't tell him she was only 17!

 

"Also men here that think they can have a normal relation with a girl thats 35 years younger..........what a joke. Get youself examined."

 

Plenty of them here, mate - myself included (but in my case only 25 years difference between me and my Thai wife who I have been with for 16 years)

 

I suspect the examination rooms would have waiting lists akin to the  NHS in the UK!

[prakhonchai nick]

2 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I see them in the village around here going up to the local hookers joint to sit with, and go with men old enough to be their grandfathers.

 

I see them playing the Mia Noi to policemen and bragging about it, and all these are Thais.

 

I also see 13 and 14-year-old girls with babies in tow to local village boys.

 

A 17-year-old is not a minor in my view or in the view of European governments with their varying ages of consent, and certainly wasn't in Thailand years ago, when anything went.

 

So distasteful as it is, she was out there putting it on a plate and prostituting herself.

With the support of the bar management who knowingly hired her when she was underage, so they could profit from selling her for sex

[Voodoochile]

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Legal age of consent is usually for teenager having sex with teenager ... not pedophiles.  Age of consent in most civilized countries, have a age gap that is acceptable.  

 

Really makes one wonder when older men, 50-60-70 start stating 'age of consent'.  Just a wee bit too telling.   

 

A 50 yr old with my 14 - 15 -16 yr old daughter, and I would guarantee that he would never do that again.  

 

Glad many locals don't read this forum, as a bit embarrassing to say the least.

What is the full meaning of age of consent?

 

 

: the age at which one is legally competent to give consent especially to marriage or to sexual intercourse

 

Says nothing about “teenagers with teenagers”💁🏼‍♂️

and why speak of your “14-15-16 y old daughter” when that is not the age in the topic?

 

Also I’m guessing (but could be wrong) your daughter(s) aren’t prostitutes/bar girls that go looking for “customers” like these girls do which should also come into account before accusing someone of any wrong doing.