Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[coolcarer]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Here's an article from the anti-zionist anti-semites at Haaretz.

Much Harder for Children': Severe Hunger Is Spreading in Gaza. Four Voices From a Human Catastrophe
The impossible reality of Gaza: Mothers who are too malnourished to breastfeed, searches for food under the threat of bombings and aid organizations collapsing under the strain

https://archive.ph/8e1X8#selection-321.1-325.176

Or you could just say what it is. An article published by Haaretz from the UN food program who went to Gaza last month. But maybe trying to be smart with the opening sentence was more important for you.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So all you want to do is score points, fair enough, keep killing innocent Palestinians and Hamas can keep killing and maiming the IDF, will that keep you happy?

You claimed a lot of people here said all Palestinians were Hamas, can you reference those claims?

 

I'll ignore the deflection.

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Read the article and then tell me he is not  a dissident or traitor as he was called in the article.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-781194

 

He's a member of parliament, that comes with almost total immunity - it's not like he's risking his life or anything. As for being an attention seeker - it's like that, it's just the way it is. Basically he's the token Jewish representative on an otherwise Arab party. His predecessors in this 'seat' were actually politicians of some caliber. This one is more of an aggressive loudmouth, not up to their standards.

 

And still, it just goes to show how not 'same same' things are. There is no equivalent on Hamas side, and not much even on the PA's turf. 

 

That this seems like some major news to you is amusing.

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Or you could just say what it is. An article published by Haaretz from the UN food program who went to Gaza last month. But maybe trying to be smart with the opening sentence was more important for you.

 

Some of the regular authors of Haaretz are, indeed, anti-Zionists. Some labels themselves (or are labeled) as post-Zionists (the distinctions aren't that clear, by the way, and are often brought up and debated on the articles and comments). The particular author, though, is among the former. Expecting a halfway balanced column is a choice.

[Morch]

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So all you want to do is score points, fair enough, keep killing innocent Palestinians and Hamas can keep killing and maiming the IDF, will that keep you happy?

 

Yes, because what your posts are about is not 'point scoring' at all.....and you're not an antisemite, obviously.

[Danny Australia]

The international news clearly shows that Israel is committing ongoing and daily various war crimes in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

South Africa's legal presentation at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is highly persuasive, containing an 84-page document outlining disturbing crimes targeting civilians, medical facilities, journalists, UN facilities, schools, infrastructure, and more.

 

It is hoped that the ICJ judges will recognize what some Western politicians may have overlooked or chosen not to address and issue an order to stop the genocide.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Danny Australia said:

The international news clearly shows that Israel is committing ongoing and daily various war crimes in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

 

 

   What are those "war crimes" in Gaza ?

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

The international news clearly shows that Israel is committing ongoing and daily various war crimes in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

South Africa's legal presentation at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is highly persuasive, containing an 84-page document outlining disturbing crimes targeting civilians, medical facilities, journalists, UN facilities, schools, infrastructure, and more.

 

It is hoped that the ICJ judges will recognize what some Western politicians may have overlooked or chosen not to address and issue an order to stop the genocide.

 

 

The Unbiased Legal Expert Has Spoken.

 

You declaring 'war crimes' doesn't make it so. You watching news that say 'war crimes' doesn't make is so either.

SA's presentation is not, as I understand it, very strong from a legal point of view - but then I'm not into the sort of faux emotional nonsense many of you seem to enjoy.

 

There is no 'genocide' other than in your mind and posts.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

The international news clearly shows that Israel is committing ongoing and daily various war crimes in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

South Africa's legal presentation at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is highly persuasive, containing an 84-page document outlining disturbing crimes targeting civilians, medical facilities, journalists, UN facilities, schools, infrastructure, and more.

 

It is hoped that the ICJ judges will recognize what some Western politicians may have overlooked or chosen not to address and issue an order to stop the genocide.

South Africa's legal presentation at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is highly persuasive

 

Really? Did Hamas tell you that?

 

Hamas thanks South Africa for invoking Genocide Convention against Israel

https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/17201

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Goody goody, I've tried today to be reasonable, obviously a waste of time with you, I'm more than happy to wait for the courts to decide what is and what isn't right in this war. Before I get yet another ban for telling you the obvious.

See you next Thursday.

 

More deflection. Not surprising 

[Jeff the Chef]

29 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes, because what your posts are about is not 'point scoring' at all.....and you're not an antisemite, obviously.

 

Well done, I knew we would agree on something.

[Rimmer]

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[Danny Australia]

Application instituting proceedings and Request for the indication of provisional measures (icj-cij.org)

 

No doubt in my mind those who stick their heads in the sand and deny the ongoing genocide in Gaza have not read or willing to read the South African legal case.

 

I have actually read all 84 pages and listened to hours of interviews with the brightest legal minds on Utube confirming the strength and legal merits of the case.

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

He's a member of parliament, that comes with almost total immunity - it's not like he's risking his life or anything. As for being an attention seeker - it's like that, it's just the way it is. Basically he's the token Jewish representative on an otherwise Arab party. His predecessors in this 'seat' were actually politicians of some caliber. This one is more of an aggressive loudmouth, not up to their standards.

 

And still, it just goes to show how not 'same same' things are. There is no equivalent on Hamas side, and not much even on the PA's turf. 

 

That this seems like some major news to you is amusing.

 

Glad you found it amusing, and a nice deflection away from the facts as written in the article.

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Application instituting proceedings and Request for the indication of provisional measures (icj-cij.org)

 

No doubt in my mind those who stick their heads in the sand and deny the ongoing genocide in Gaza have not read or willing to read the South African legal case.

 

I have actually read all 84 pages and listened to hours of interviews with the brightest legal minds on Utube confirming the strength and legal merits of the case.

 

 

 

 

Of course you have. Your posts, however, do not betray the depth and scope of knowledge you claim.

 

Not that I necessary believe you've actually read the thing, but apparently some basic concept failed to register even with all of this supposed legal information - you stating things as facts doesn't make them so. If and when the court declares it, we may discuss it. Otherwise, it's just you parroting things that go along with your politics and bias.

 

As for the 'brightest legal minds on Utube', I hope for South Africa's sake that they got more qualified advice.

 

[Morch]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Glad you found it amusing, and a nice deflection away from the facts as written in the article.

 

I find it amusing that you pretend to have a clue, post nonsense and then deflect when this is pointed out.

What 'facts' are you on about that are not in line with what I posted?

[Jeff the Chef]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I find it amusing that you pretend to have a clue, post nonsense and then deflect when this is pointed out.

What 'facts' are you on about that are not in line with what I posted?

 

All of them, normal for you don't address the question, but pose another, I cannot be bothered with you anymore, back and forth, is all you do, thinking you have some right to try and lord it over anybody who doesn't support your bigoted views, waste of space. 

Edited January 8 by Jeff the Chef

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

All of them, normal for you don't address the question, but pose another, I cannot be bothered with you anymore, back and forth, is all you do, thinking you have some right to try and lord it over anybody who doesn't support your bigoted views, waste of space. 

 

Just more nonsense when you can't back up your posts. Same old. All of them? All of what? You haven't really said much so hard to know what you think you're on about. And question? What question? You haven't raised any.

 

Don't know that you're the one to preach others about 'bigoted views', or that you can actually point out to what's bigoted in mine. But again, not really expecting much of you or your posts.

[CharlieH]

Getting very tedious repeating the same things to the same people.

 

Any more unsubstantiated "from anyone" type videos from social media and expect to lose your ability to post.

 

[ozimoron]

12 hours ago, ezzra said:

Your input would have merits as humans who are interested in other people's plight and suffering had you also talked about the

the misery and suffering of many other counties, nations and regions of the world that are currently going through war, famine

displacement and massacres of innocent people, that in some places are much worse than Gaza, but NO, you have chosen to concentrate your criticism and accusation on Israel, ( and oh no, look what them nasty Jews are doing to the poor Arabs) double standards wouldn't' you say?...

 

Blatant whataboutery. The topic is about allegations of genocide against Israel, not about a littany of crimes in other countries.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Blatant whataboutery. The topic is about allegations of genocide against Israel, not about a littany of crimes in other countries.

 

@ozimoron

 

Don't recall staying on topic being high priority for you, or that you had such issues when Israel's supposed sins were compared to other countries (same for comparing Hamas with various other groups world wide).

[ozimoron]

Pope laments ‘indiscriminate striking’ of civilians in Gaza and Ukraine wars

 

It’s not enough to point out war crimes; we must also prevent them, says Pope Francis.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-francis-ukraine-palestina-israel-gaza-denounces-indiscriminate-striking-of-civilians/

[ozimoron]

Israel’s president said Sunday that the expulsion of Palestinians is not the government’s official policy, even though some members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government have called for exactly that.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/07/israel-palestinians-expel-gaza-00134187

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Or you could just say what it is. An article published by Haaretz from the UN food program who went to Gaza last month. But maybe trying to be smart with the opening sentence was more important for you.

Wow! So much ignorance packed into so little space. While the article does open with a bit of reporting about the UN food program, the heart of it is what it's like for Palestinians to cope with what life is like when you're faced with starvation:

"Four Gazans spoke with Haaretz and explained how hunger was affecting their lives – from secondary consequences to the daily struggle to get some food, as little as it may be. One comment came up repeatedly in conversations with them and reflects the feeling of many in Gaza: If death doesn't come in an airstrike, they say, hunger will bring it."

https://archive.ph/8e1X8#selection-801.0-803.71

There have been similar articles elsewhere including those coming from the Wall Street Journal. You got any articles written by eyewitnesses debunking the claims of starvation?

There's a fella there's an off chance you may have heard of. HIs name is Anthony Blinken. He's the U.S. Secretary of State.

“We are intensely focused on the very difficult and indeed deteriorating food situation for men, women, and children in Gaza, and it’s something we’re working on 24/7,” Blinken said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-warns-against-gazans-displacement-says-war-may-metastasize-to-wider-region/

Ya think the US hasn't got access to information about what's going on in Gaza? That it's being suckered by the media?

By the way, he made that comment while visiting a food warehouse in Jordan. Ya know who that food warehouse belongs to? The World Food Programme. The organization you claim "went to Gaza last month."

 

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Some of the regular authors of Haaretz are, indeed, anti-Zionists. Some labels themselves (or are labeled) as post-Zionists (the distinctions aren't that clear, by the way, and are often brought up and debated on the articles and comments). The particular author, though, is among the former. Expecting a halfway balanced column is a choice.

Is Anthony Blinken also an employee of Haaretz?  I think I've come up with a suitable adjective for the comments of those who deny the fact of ongoing starvation in Gaza: Trumpworthy.

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Some of the regular authors of Haaretz are, indeed, anti-Zionists. Some labels themselves (or are labeled) as post-Zionists (the distinctions aren't that clear, by the way, and are often brought up and debated on the articles and comments). The particular author, though, is among the former. Expecting a halfway balanced column is a choice.

If his article was alone in depicting what life is like for starving Palestinians in Gaza, you'd have a better point. 

[coolcarer]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Wow! So much ignorance packed into so little space. While the article does open with a bit of reporting about the UN food program, the heart of it is what it's like for Palestinians to cope with what life is like when you're faced with starvation:

"Four Gazans spoke with Haaretz and explained how hunger was affecting their lives – from secondary consequences to the daily struggle to get some food, as little as it may be. One comment came up repeatedly in conversations with them and reflects the feeling of many in Gaza: If death doesn't come in an airstrike, they say, hunger will bring it."

https://archive.ph/8e1X8#selection-801.0-803.71

There have been similar articles elsewhere including those coming from the Wall Street Journal. You got any articles written by eyewitnesses debunking the claims of starvation?

There's a fella there's an off chance you may have heard of. HIs name is Anthony Blinken. He's the U.S. Secretary of State.

“We are intensely focused on the very difficult and indeed deteriorating food situation for men, women, and children in Gaza, and it’s something we’re working on 24/7,” Blinken said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-warns-against-gazans-displacement-says-war-may-metastasize-to-wider-region/

Ya think the US hasn't got access to information about what's going on in Gaza? That it's being suckered by the media?

By the way, he made that comment while visiting a food warehouse in Jordan. Ya know who that food warehouse belongs to? The World Food Programme. The organization you claim "went to Gaza last month."

 

Thou does protest too much. Justifying an attempted smart Alec intro……lol

[ozimoron]

40 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Thou does protest too much. Justifying an attempted smart Alec intro……lol

 

as opposed to justifying an actual mass starvation.

[coolcarer]

34 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

as opposed to justifying an actual mass starvation.

You would have to quote me on where I was justifying anything whatsoever ever aside from commenting on an into.

[Bkk Brian]

11 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

Application instituting proceedings and Request for the indication of provisional measures (icj-cij.org)

 

No doubt in my mind those who stick their heads in the sand and deny the ongoing genocide in Gaza have not read or willing to read the South African legal case.

 

I have actually read all 84 pages and listened to hours of interviews with the brightest legal minds on Utube confirming the strength and legal merits of the case.

 

For those who don't quite get it yet, or deliberately chose to look the other way.

 

Hamas’s Strategy of Human Sacrifice

While some of Hamas’s most brutal tactics, like systematic rape and beheading captives, are long-practiced atrocities for which the armies of Stalin, Hitler, and Genghis Khan are infamous, it is unprecedented for a party to adopt a war strategy to maximize civilian deaths on its own side. This is so strange and evil that it should appall any decent person. Contrary to conventional commentary, this is not a human shield strategy. It’s a human sacrifice strategy.

This is not simply a human-shield strategy, where the aim is to deter an attack by using innocent lives as a barrier. Hamas is doing something far more insidious: it’s ensuring the mass death of Palestinians. Here is Hamas official Ali Baraka summing up the difference between the two worldviews: “The Israelis are known to love life. We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs.” 

https://www.hudson.org/terrorism/hamas-strategy-human-sacrifice-douglas-feith