Olmate Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 hours ago, flyingtlger said: Is it just me? There seems to be a lot of Swedes getting in trouble in Thailand.... Sweden.. Swiss, Ozzie.. Austrian! Who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmd5855 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, NickyLouie said: Swedes are basically Arabs. Thought Norway owned that country at one time.................... Joking........ I know it were the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 hours ago, flyingtlger said: Is it just me? There seems to be a lot of Swedes getting in trouble in Thailand.... Yeah, and seems to me that Monday follows Sunday, that's interesting and troubling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbee2022 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 7 hours ago, flyingtlger said: Is it just me? There seems to be a lot of Swedes getting in trouble in Thailand.... And don't forget the Brits🤗 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, ikke1959 said: The outdated laws of Thailand The USA is replete with outdated laws, as are other countries such as the UK.🤔 (Just for balance) A pickle is not a pickle unless it bounces Skateboarding without a license is prohibited It is illegal to catch a fish with bare hands Beer is not to be given to hospital patients It is illegal to walk cows down the street in daylight It is illegal to be found drunk in a pub Gambling in libraries is prohibited Flying a kite in a public place is illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussienam Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I've met a few expats who have invested into a bar and their partner manages it. They just sit and build rapport with customers to generate repeat business. So technically not working but just drinking and customers buying them drinks plus the bar staff. I've been told they need to be very careful to never lift a finger to help, in case they are deemed working. Answering the phone to acknowledge a room is available, picking up a dirty ashtray to give it to staff, anything that a bar staff employee could do. But recommending a drink is deemed working? I hope there is more to the story than that as this sounds truly lame. Imagine you are sitting in a bar you invested in that your wife runs. A regular comes in and says, "Mate, what do you recommend for something new to drink, I'm sick of beer?" "Mate, how about a Sangsom and coke?" Thai undercover police swoop in. Evidence of working! No way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, ikke1959 said: explain what reasons The response is totally obvious except to folks who don't want to see the obvious; Thailand, like most countries, protects it's own citizens by totally prohibiting non-Thais from working in certain industries / professions, and by having a system whereby foreigners have to have a valid work permit to work. Same in most countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, aussienam said: I've met a few expats who have invested into a bar and their partner manages it. They just sit and build rapport with customers to generate repeat business. So technically not working but just drinking and customers buying them drinks plus the bar staff. I've been told they need to be very careful to never lift a finger to help, in case they are deemed working. Answering the phone to acknowledge a room is available, picking up a dirty ashtray to give it to staff, anything that a bar staff employee could do. But recommending a drink is deemed working? I hope there is more to the story than that as this sounds truly lame. Imagine you are sitting in a bar you invested in that your wife runs. A regular comes in and says, "Mate, what do you recommend for something new to drink, I'm sick of beer?" "Mate, how about a Sangsom and coke?" Thai undercover police swoop in. Evidence of working! No way. Wow, what evidence do you have to support this scenario? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnydrops Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, impulse said: I hope they have more than that... Though I don't frequent bars, I've occasionally recommended dishes to customers at restaurants. I heard years ago that a guy got arrested for going behind the bar to change the CD at his wife's business. It was assumed that the business stepped on some competition's toes. Locally a guy ran a bar for years without a permit. The Police told him as long as he didn't serve Thais, they would let him do it. His place was a ways out of town. The police bought beer there:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 If you ever see a Thai in your bar and you dont know him, then dont move, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 He wasn't recommending Champagne buy any chance was he? Hurdy Gurdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayClay Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bday Prang said: one day they "caught" him talking to a customer, the charge was "entertaining" Is "entertaining" a criminal offence in Thailand, then? Edited March 8 by JayClay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: I was responding to this "Guy probably thought the same as you that tourists could just start working." The guy just recommended a drink to a customer in a bar , he may not have been working there If i remember correctly the definition of work by the immigration authorities is very broad and pretty much all encompassing, something about "exerting your self physically or mentally" you don't even have to be paid. as with most laws here it is applied very subjectively, tourist areas generally take the brunt of it , but if you upset the wrong people, cutting ones grass etc could be risky There have been several light hearted reports on TV over the years of various foreigners personally indulging in rice farming and the like. I doubt there will be many documentaries of that nature in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, JayClay said: Is "entertaining" a criminal offence in Thailand, then? in the context of entertaining customers in your own bar , it obviously is, or it was for him even emptying an ashtray is fraught with danger as a bar owner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 20 minutes ago, ChipButty said: If you ever see a Thai in your bar and you dont know him, then dont move, good advice, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGS Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, Srikcir said: When you refer to "Arabs" you are referring to an ethnic group, not nationality. From various sources of different dates (you cite none): Ethnic Swedes make up about 80% of Sweden's population; followed by Finns; then people from Bosnia, etc. Arabs represent 5.3% of the total population of Sweden. About a quarter of those Arabs are Christians. So "full of Arabs" and "animosity attitude towards Israel" is questionable, if not discriminatory. That’s not true, perhaps 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 47 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: Flying a kite in a public place is illegal Flying your kite is illegal all over the world, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, ikke1959 said: I don't think that tourists can work...and where did you read he is a tourist?? Besides how many backpackers are travelling around the world and can get small temporarily jobs before travveling further?? Once Thailand had these backpackers too and that was good for the economy as the money they earned was spend mostly here. The backpackers wanted to see the country, but no the army and the governments wanted them out...No wonder that tourism went down since than They are in Vietnam spending tons of money everywhere! The digital nomads and pure backpackers often look the same now and seem to get on quite well. Vietnam is busting with tourists and the majority I met are skipping Thailand. It's really too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I would say don't pi$$ the farangs off too much, there is many other places they can go and camp out, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 44 minutes ago, bunnydrops said: I heard years ago that a guy got arrested for going behind the bar This is an absolute no-no. I though everyone knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 49 minutes ago, scorecard said: Wow, what evidence do you have to support this scenario? How about a building contractor whose secretary "forgot" to tell him to renew his work permit then told him on a Saturday that there was an urgent problem at a customer's house build. Lo and behold when he got there men with black shoes were waiting. I have no doubt the Swedish man was set up by someone and was not savvy enough to know what can be construed as work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANSIAM Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, aussienam said: I've met a few expats who have invested into a bar and their partner manages it. They just sit and build rapport with customers to generate repeat business. So technically not working but just drinking and customers buying them drinks plus the bar staff. I've been told they need to be very careful to never lift a finger to help, in case they are deemed working. Answering the phone to acknowledge a room is available, picking up a dirty ashtray to give it to staff, anything that a bar staff employee could do. But recommending a drink is deemed working? I hope there is more to the story than that as this sounds truly lame. Imagine you are sitting in a bar you invested in that your wife runs. A regular comes in and says, "Mate, what do you recommend for something new to drink, I'm sick of beer?" "Mate, how about a Sangsom and coke?" Thai undercover police swoop in. Evidence of working! No way. Sounds like you are likely pounding your liver while investing and building a rapport.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayClay Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, Bday Prang said: knew of a Belgian guy in Pattaya who owned a popular bar, he fell out with his missis and she ended up with a Thai cop who obviously had intentions of becoming involved. one day they "caught" him talking to a customer, the charge was "entertaining" 1 hour ago, JayClay said: Is "entertaining" a criminal offence in Thailand, then? 53 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: in the context of entertaining customers in your own bar , it obviously is, or it was for him even emptying an ashtray is fraught with danger as a bar owner Now I'm thoroughly confused. Is emptying an ashtray also a form of "entertaining"? Or was the charge actually "working without a work permit"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 51 minutes ago, alex8912 said: They are in Vietnam spending tons of money everywhere! The digital nomads and pure backpackers often look the same now and seem to get on quite well. Vietnam is busting with tourists and the majority I met are skipping Thailand. It's really too bad. How many tourists did you actually meet in Vietnam and did you ask them all whether they would be going to Thailand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke1959 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, scorecard said: The response is totally obvious except to folks who don't want to see the obvious; Thailand, like most countries, protects it's own citizens by totally prohibiting non-Thais from working in certain industries / professions, and by having a system whereby foreigners have to have a valid work permit to work. Same in most countries. so impossible to get a work permit as a Thai can do everything if he can't... Protecting laws are good, but to block a normal society is crazy.. I am not allowed in fact to work in the garden or paint my house, as I am retired and don't have a workpermit..That is not some professions In Thailand it are ALL professions and jobs..a big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: so impossible to get a work permit as a Thai can do everything if he can't... Protecting laws are good, but to block a normal society is crazy.. I am not allowed in fact to work in the garden or paint my house, as I am retired and don't have a workpermit..That is not some professions In Thailand it are ALL professions and jobs..a big difference Why can't you work in your own house....? 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjinchiangrai Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 "Recommending"? Was he selling drinks or just a customer making suggestions about the menu? It would not be unusual for a regular to suggest things to someone new. You don't need a permit for bar chat. On the other hand it could also be the horrible vocabulary of the posts on this site. What is this guys relationship to the bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, ikke1959 said: so impossible to get a work permit as a Thai can do everything if he can't... Protecting laws are good, but to block a normal society is crazy.. I am not allowed in fact to work in the garden or paint my house, as I am retired and don't have a workpermit..That is not some professions In Thailand it are ALL professions and jobs..a big difference I am not so sure that if in your registered home and not for money or profit then home maintenance and light work should be ok. Ask you mate around to help and offer a few beers .... not ok. Any member care to challenge that, from personal experience ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Two Swedes and a Swiss man walk into a bar......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The Swedish man was found allegedly recommending beverages to customers at the bar. So now, foreigners aren't allowed to speak. What a sh*t show this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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