'Defrauded' Briton Found Dead In Chiang Mai Guesthouse

[duanebigsby]

Its fraud and she should be prosecuted , Otherwise this is a very morally sick country.

Whose morality should be questioned?

The many people coming here who throw money at pussy, or the women taking the money?

[timewilltell]

I'll give a little insight shall I? I was duped out of 14m in my first years here. No matter how bright one is, there's always a way.

I got married... bought 2 large houses (in her name of course), a new Audi, (in her name of course), and this was AFTER she had had our BABY... yes baby. Married with baby, together 2 years. I thought I had a great life. I was working in China, earning well as a consultant. I was flying back and forth every 8 weeks. Into year 3, I flew back to Thailand, went home........ and... somebody I didn't know answered my door. She had sold both houses, emptied our JOINT bank account, and done a runner with my kid.

All my hard work and savings..... yes, I too went into a depression, but I never for once thought of suicide. I decided to make a comeback and get off my ass and fight on.

I did, and eventually met a fine woman, highly educated, as I waited and chose very carefully. Married 7 years now.... nice new home and new car, wife's a lecturer at Uni.

It is easy to be duped; my ex had it planned for 3 whole goddarned years..... including baby... to entice me to depart with my savings.

However, suicide was not an option for me. It's a shame for some, who just can't face such a loss. Don't, please, take the proverbial out of this young man; it can happen to anybody, especially if well planned!

I am sorry to contradict you on this - but no. Well planned or not, it really cannot happen to anybody. For starters, the day I buy a property here I would make damn certain that it requires both signatures on the sale document. If that is not possible, I simply wouldn't do it. I have been married and divorced here, a joint account was, is and always will be totally out of the question.

As for my divorce and settlement, it cost me the grand total of 45 baht. We had a child too, but I obtained full custody.

All of this while living here permanently, 12 months a year. If I was working abroad? Absolutely zero chance of me trusting any Thai girl, no matter how plausible, no matter how apparently genuine her feelings for me.

There is a reason why it does not happen to everybody.

You are right - it cannot happen to anybody. There are people who are so self- obsessed and protective that they prefer to screw girls and pay the rent rather than have a relationship. There are those who shack up with a girl and toss them out with nothing after a few months never investing anything in a relationship and spending money only on themselves. There are others who live entirely without love or trust and avoid having children like they are a plague. There are plenty of people like that and Thai girls are most unlikely to dupe them.

Others prefer to interact with people, prefer to start a family and have family values. Want the joy of having children and fulfill their responsibilities. They don't want to be a warrior on Defence all their life. Those people want love and trust in their life, want the joy seeing their kids smile and growing up into valuable human beings with charity, trust and an empathy for less fortunate people.

You will realise I fall into the second group. I was also duped, 9 years of partnership and several children together. A great life for all of us, businesses and a home, cars and a relaxed lifestyle. Unfortunately the girl I chose listened to mafia who targeted her as the wife of a foreigner and over a short period acquired every asset through fraud. It is a scam. There are gangs whose business is to steal the assets of foreigners, especially in Phuket and Pattaya. It is organized crime. It is happening to dozens of foreigners and it is intentional and organized.

The loss of everything and struggling with the responsibilities for my family was and still is very hard 5 years on. The loss of the girl I loved for 9 years was hard but manageable, mostly because I have custody of my children. She is in prison with nothing because of course the mafia gangs are the ones who profit. The worst thing is not even the lack of help from anyone, foreign or Thai, that is today's world. The worst thing is that you cannot get justice. Lawyers scam you more, taking your money and actively work for the criminals against you because you are a foreigner. If you do find a lawyer to help he is threatened by the lawyers on the other side, by senior police and by very senior lawyers and Poole in government - a senator in my case. All the while these people are smiling at your children and saying how lovely and wonderful they are whilst stabbing you in the back. When you complain about rogue lawyers at the justice ministry or lawyers council or in court, you get fobbed off or told there is no way to get justice. Actually rogue infers something out of the norm but lawyers robbing foreigners is more likely the norm - out of 7 lawyers I have evidence 6 were harming me.

I have had legal claims that could never succeed submitted without authority despite me pointing out the fatal flaws, lawyers notorising my forged signature, lawyers refusing to submit the most damning evidence, lawyers hiding court reports to hide their actions to lose my case, evidence in the court file removed and my lawyer doing all in his power to prevent me from finding out, delays and lies to secure adjournments to delay my cases - for years, senior lawyer lying to court and hiding a spurious case brought against me so that the case could move forward requiring more of my dwindling cash reserve put up for bail on a case a third party already pleaded guilty for - and my passport seized so I cannot work to earn money to support my four kids. The Thai courts refuse to protect assets on an emergency basis, taking months to issue protection orders whilst the assets are sold on so new court cases must be taken and more evidence to prove fraud against the new owners. Banks offering loans on stolen assets even to the same customer already sued along with the same bank. Threats on my life and NO help from the British Embassy whatsoever - even suggesting I lodge a personal complaint against Thailand for its breach of International covenant for discrimination on withholding my passport in the knowledge I could be further victimized in retribution. There is a lot more than

I have outlined - but this war of attrition to stop Justice, stop you earning and pervert the court with the consent, even jubilation of the authorities all because I am a foreigner and all the while with the wonderful Thai smile for my Thai children whilst they destroy their future is the thing that is hardest to take and the most disgusting.

That and a few ignorant people from group one at the beginning of my post who are so selfish and ignorant that they cannot understand not everyone is like them and without the moral integrity to have even the slightest pang of sympathy - that is the hardest thing because it challenges ones own moral integrity as something lacking worth.

Over 100k GBP in court fees, lawyers fees and bail and five years of my life gone - people were right I should have walked away from the 60 million stolen by these criminals and given up. I would probably be dead had I done that because I probably would have given up on myself and in turn my kids. Easy to say and maybe easy to do for people with that mindset.

My sympathy and empathy with the guy in the OP. There is little hope left for me either.

Actually for anyone who has been a victim of this sort of thing and suffered at the hands of the Justice system or lawyers please Pm me as I would like to get an idea of the scale of this organized criminality.

Edited November 15, 2014 by timewilltell

[glasswort]

Elephant breeding business. That's a new one!!!

[UDONJIM]

About 3 months ago, a Swiss guy I knew got scammed out of everything by his gf. He committed self-immolation. Yep, poured petrol on himself and died a horrible death. I had to go and identify the body at the morgue in Udon Thani. A truly sad and horrific thing to have to do.There was no police investigation whatsoever. His Thai gf never even came back to bury him. She's still 'massaging' on one of the islands but now has a beautiful house and land bought for by this poor and decent man. There are some absolute, heartless bitches out there. Everyone be careful.

[watcharacters]

Impossible.

Oxford grad duped by a woman wanting to breed elephants...?????????

Then he drinks to death?

Oxford???????? I thought that was a good school.

No! No!

The point is it's a good story.

Fabrication notwithstanding.

[slipperylobster]

Elephant breeding business. That's a new one!!!

Actually, it is big business here... Right behind Tiger Shampoos.

[MJP]

Another sad tale..... I must admit my financial status cannot be compared to " Donald Trump " in fact quite the opposite but even if things became critical for myself i could never hit the drink ( as i don't drink ) as a last " back up plan " i would become a Monk. I enjoy all the Buddha things and the temples and my life at present can hardly be described as " Rock n' Roll but i am extremely happy living a simple life here in Thailand.( in fact i can be " Irritatingly Chirpy " .... )

Of course not all Thai ladies are the same but 95 percent of them are " caught up in this materialistic way of life " where they seem to think money is they key to happiness! It should be noted viewers that i have had in the past " luxury sports cars " ( as seen on Top Gear ) hilltop luxury pads over looking the Ocean and " a big enough wadge to choke a donkey " but it never made me any happier! When you live a simple life here in Thailand on an " all in budget of just 6000 baht a month " not only do you really appreciate the simple things in life but you start to realize that " The Best things in life are free " ( very true ) I am 50 years old and been single for most of my life and for now it will be staying that way................

Farang Jaidee

Like! I am quite often grateful I suffered such a financial loss..... it brought me straight back to planet Earth, and to who I AM!

I ALSO prefer the simpler life... no need for expensive restaurants and big cars here... I used to drive the only Audi S4 in Thailand,,,, now I drive an old Jazz, and a simply inexpensive new Ford Fiesta - cheap cheap... brand new... Thais don't like Fiestas..... I like Rad Na and Pad Keemao... and sometimes go to Foodland for the odd farang food... that's pretty much it. One thing I always say to my wife is, "Before asking for an answer to a question, why don't you make an attempt to understand the question, before seeking an answer". She never asks the question again ...

I'm happier a simpleton, than the highflying exec once been......... no pressure.. no need for 18 hour days slogging my guts out.... dreaming the job... in fact, now I don't even dream! I will also turn 50 next year..... maybe life begins at 50 in Thailand

Greng Jai a Rai... M.

Golden advice. I'm a tropical, hammock sort of person, a simple country boy . . . I'd sooner not have the stress. But somehow the stress monster manages to find me.

Life can be very complicated these days.

[watcharacters]

About 3 months ago, a Swiss guy I knew got scammed out of everything by his gf. He committed self-immolation. Yep, poured petrol on himself and died a horrible death. I had to go and identify the body at the morgue in Udon Thani. A truly sad and horrific thing to have to do.There was no police investigation whatsoever. His Thai gf never even came back to bury him. She's still 'massaging' on one of the islands but now has a beautiful house and land bought for by this poor and decent man. There are some absolute, heartless bitches out there. Everyone be careful.

Thanks Jim,

Would you mind please providing a link to this horrific event. There must have been some widespread coverage of such a tragic death.

TIA and RIP to the victim

[SoFarAndNear]

Another sad tale..... I must admit my financial status cannot be compared to " Donald Trump " in fact quite the opposite but even if things became critical for myself i could never hit the drink ( as i don't drink ) as a last " back up plan " i would become a Monk. I enjoy all the Buddha things and the temples and my life at present can hardly be described as " Rock n' Roll but i am extremely happy living a simple life here in Thailand.( in fact i can be " Irritatingly Chirpy " .... )

Of course not all Thai ladies are the same but 95 percent of them are " caught up in this materialistic way of life " where they seem to think money is they key to happiness! It should be noted viewers that i have had in the past " luxury sports cars " ( as seen on Top Gear ) hilltop luxury pads over looking the Ocean and " a big enough wadge to choke a donkey " but it never made me any happier! When you live a simple life here in Thailand on an " all in budget of just 6000 baht a month " not only do you really appreciate the simple things in life but you start to realize that " The Best things in life are free " ( very true ) I am 50 years old and been single for most of my life and for now it will be staying that way................

Farang Jaidee

As easy it sounds but you really have to explain how you can live here with 6000THB per month? And probably there is a thai law or regulation which does not allow you as farang to spend so less money in this country I mean honestly I have some moments where I spend only 2-3k THB per week because I want to diet and try to eat less as possible but even then 2-3k THB per week, not to mention fixed costs like rental, utilities, insurance, internet, mobile phone....

[Baerboxer]

elephant-breeding business

That should be a give-away..

Is there any limit to farang stupidity?

Mercy.

How about using the words 'elephant sanctuary". Does that explain things a little better for you?

[UDONJIM]

I knew a Swiss guy who was scammed by his gf. 3 months ago he committed self-immolation. Yep, pored petrol on himself and died in agony. I had to go and identify the body in the morgue in Udon Thani. That was a very hard thing to do. His Thai gf never even came back to bury him, she's still busy 'massaging' on the islands somewhere but now she has a beautiful house and land.Absolutely no investigation was done by the RTP. She's been back around her village with a new sucker. I hope it isn't any of you guys. What a heartless bitch she is.

[MJP]

Can we go a bit steady on this topic please. It's very sad and these issues affect a lot of people, people who read this forum. So a little sensitivity please. Could be you one day.

[12DrinkMore]

Turned out to be white elephants, I guess.

[Jungle Jim]

It happens to foreigners every single day in Thailand and will continue forever until the foreigners grow a brain and get some good old common sense. Alcoholism with foreigners in Thailand is very likely the worst in the world.

Why would some guy give 300,000 dollars to a hooker? Blows my mind.

[UDONJIM]

Sorry the above post is a repeat of my post 157. To 'blades of grass'.The event wasn't even reported anywhere and sadly, although the gf family said they would take care of his burial, it certainly didn't happen in the village. I suspect his body was never claimed and he was buried like a pauper. Very sad.

[SOTIRIOS]

.welcome quality tourists.....

[Commerce]

It happens to foreigners every single day in Thailand and will continue forever until the foreigners grow a brain and get some good old common sense. Alcoholism with foreigners in Thailand is very likely the worst in the world.

Why would some guy give 300,000 dollars to a hooker? Blows my mind.

I believe that statement is a little unfair. There are a large majority of foreigners who are very much in control of their lives here..... yet, that depends upon what you are here for, and what you want, does it not?

To associate the deceased in the OP as being alcoholic, I think you're on dangerous, unsubstantiated ground. He may have given up the will to live purely through desperation and a broken heart.....shh.. it happens. That's generally why people take their own lives - unable to face their own mistakes and embarassment - no matter how wise they may be intellectually. To talk about growing a brain... and good old common sense......... do you really think having such, if previously grown, applies to living here? If you do, well I'm sorry.... such logic does not apply - such logic does not apply here, and that is seen often... and, also, culture shock, more than anything, for those new to Thailand, can really jolt the brain and last for quite some years - especially after having believed one was truly loved.

I believe you are wrong to assert anything to do with alcoholism to the deceased in the OP - I, personally, would like to suggest he went into a great personal depression, couldn't choose to fins a way out, and imploded... mentally... finding all he had left... a few strong drinks and a way out.

Please remember.. if he is an Oxon graduate... his family are likely to read this. A bit of compassion, and non-assumption, would not go amiss.

[Jungle Jim]

Another dead foreigner found dead in a hotel room from alcoholism that got involved with a bar girl (hooker). Not the first and will not be the last. Hundreds if not thousands of articles have been written and yet foreigners continue making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Not a day goes by where i don,t see one getting his bank account emptied . Ever notice when two foreigners get together to chat for the first time and one speaks Thai. Notice how suddenly the bar girl drags off her boyfriend (victim) to get away from the smart foreigner that understands what is going on around him. Afraid he might warn the walking ATM to run for his life. But do not worry he has his alcohol to fix all his problems. Sadly this is just another very common story. Will you or one of your drinking buddies be the next ? Put the bottle down for just a moment and think about it.

[robertson468]

You've got to give it to these bar girls. They can run rings around even educated farangs. Obviously Western education isn't much use out in the real world.

Running an elephant breeding center. Come on, how could anyone fall for that one?

The same way as a Bank fell for a Nigerian Scam to build an airport and handed out $39 million on the fictitious project. You want to know one of the biggest scams? Buying Lottery Tickets anywhere in the World. There are literally trillions of people buying these tickets and their chances of winning are .000000000000001 of winning, so work that one out!

[watcharacters]

I knew a Swiss guy who was scammed by his gf. 3 months ago he committed self-immolation. Yep, pored petrol on himself and died in agony. I had to go and identify the body in the morgue in Udon Thani. That was a very hard thing to do. His Thai gf never even came back to bury him, she's still busy 'massaging' on the islands somewhere but now she has a beautiful house and land.Absolutely no investigation was done by the RTP. She's been back around her village with a new sucker. I hope it isn't any of you guys. What a heartless bitch she is.

Thanks Jim,

Would you mind please providing a link to this horrific event. There must have been some widespread coverage of such a tragic death.

TIA and RIP to the victim

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[MJP]

Another insensitive post and a reply (which was absolutely right) have been removed.

If any normally well adjusted folks here see insensitive posts on this subject, please hit the report button. We'll deal with them straight away.

[Strangebrew]

Shows what a good British education gives you. Hell I fought in Vietnam had a hard life after getting spit in my face first day home. Yeah first year drank like a fish But woke up one morning spitting up blood since that day never touched another drop. So if this is what quality education gets you no thanks. RIP it wasn't worth drinking yourself to death.

[MJP]

Shows what a good British education gives you. Hell I fought in Vietnam had a hard life after getting spit in my face first day home. Yeah first year drank like a fish But woke up one morning spitting up blood since that day never touched another drop. So if this is what quality education gets you no thanks. RIP it wasn't worth drinking yourself to death.

I don't think a persons educational background has much to do with this.

[Sviss Geez]

BANGKOK — A British man who reportedly lost 10 million baht in a fraud scheme was found dead in his guesthouse room in Chiang Mai province today.

The description of the particular guesthouse involved indicates just how far the deceased had dropped in financial resources.

Rooms range in price from 100 Baht (cold water bathroom outside) to 400 baht with hot water, bathroom, and TV.

http://www.chiang-mai.org/inter-inn-hotel.html

So what? The man has died, does it matter how much his accommodation cost?

[Sviss Geez]

^ ^ Not saying that what happened to this man wasn't terrible or tragic.

Just wished to comment on the inaccurate broad and sweeping statements that were inserted into the discussion.

Not wanting to detract any further from the core discussion, I will end here with, suffice to say, psychopathology is absolutely not nationality based.

"Not wanting to detract any further from the core discussion, I will end here.."

Thank god for that.

[cup-O-coffee]

what is truly frightening is,

the Thai police apparently know who the female swindler is,

but she wasn't paraded on TV with a re-enactment,

she wasn't arrested

she wasn't even named

what is that exactly?

he is dead, so there is no crime?

did he report the crime?

No crime was committed because no crime was reported. Money was asked for and a person was convinced or persuaded to hand it over willingly. There is probably no documentation to state otherwise.

The police, on the other hand, make this even more sterile because we all know how determined they get when the demand for genuine detective work comes to the forefront: this, aside from their known incompetence, corruption, graft, malfeasance, and so on and so on, ad nausea.

Yet even justice - in its magnificence - has its limitations, when those whom it would protect, ignorantly and/or stupidly bolt out from under its wings and run right into the waiting maws of danger.

[MyFriend You]

They really don't want to say that suicide word again, do they.

So many dying, with strange circumstances. I think 3 or 4 just in these 2 weeks.

Nothing strange about this one.

Just another guy who drank too much.

Got swindled by a Thai bargirl with a 6th grade education.

Finally drank himself to death.

Alcohol is an equal opportunity killer--it kills Oxford grads just as easy as it does guys born into abject poverty.

Tough break--was likely the sort who thought he was spending his fortune helping one of the worlds endangered animals.

Condolences.

Add one more point to this above:

Thai Bar Girl's 'Pea Chai" read boyfriend and her went to Pattaya for a vacation, Thai bar girl found dead in 'drowning incident' boyfriend took off with the money. TIT

[Sviss Geez]

Quite a lot of foreigners don't know who is and who isn't a hooker.

Look at the posters on this forum with the half-chinese, educated business women as partners.

Sad story, but not every relationship ends well.

(Should that be 'hardly any' in place of 'not every')

90% are for sale, and Im not kidding

Just goes to show that in addition to your willingness to slur and denigrate 90% of Thai women, you do not know your arse from your elbow. And I'm not kidding.

[luckyman]

As a bit of an extra on this, from what my wife read in the Thai news sources, apparently his gf tricked him into spending 10M THB to buy the elephant sanctuary, then got him to work there.

However, they didn't actually buy it, and they just let him work there because they allow volunteers to work at the sanctuary. He apparently dding realize this, so worked there thinking it was his own business. Although by the time he found out the truth, his gf had done a runner.

So I assume that he believed every word his gf said and never bothered to.check ownership documents because he was so in love.

I guessing that this kind of fraud against naive farangs happen on a weekly basis here, if not more often.

RIP

[Felt 35]

Very sad indeed. Rest in peace.