Light dawns on marblehead no planes ridiculous entry conditions no money ????

4 hours ago, webfact said:

There are ZERO foreign tourists in Pattaya.

Well that's not true, Two of them are renting the house opposite me!

During the Pattaya lockdown back in April, the mayor said that there were 2,500 foreign tourists still in the city. Some of them will have made their way home, but definitely not all of them.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

5 years might be somewhat pessimistic but early next year is crazy talk. We're still in the earlier phase of this. 

Truth is nobody knows because this isn't a local issue, it depends on what happens internationally.

4 hours ago, 4reaL said:

wonder if the visa laws will become more favorable, nah that would be too logical......  

Yes it would help if they rolled back announcement of foreign embassies approval of monthly income of 65000 baht for 1 year extension for Retirement Visa instead of as now "In case of income, a letter from your embassy in Thailand verifying your monthly income; or should your embassy  not issue an income letter, you will provide a 12-month bank statement showing a regular deposit of 65,000 baht into a Thai bank account" ⁉️⁉️

it was due for a change of direction for a long time now, catering to low life tourists/expats is no way for a city to operate anyways..

Now is the time that the government and tourism industry needs to step in and take control of reinventing itself for the tourists with money and unfortunately at this time it is not the bar flies.  

 

The money is in the family industry.  Finding a cheap but enjoyable place for a family to travel from let's say Australia then you are looking at adding.

 

Yes you can have the bar girls and the bars.  Just move them away from the beach. 

 

Right now there are many places that the bar flies can go to that are not on beach road.  

 

Burn down walking street and rebuild it into family parks and water parks and such.  That will bring people.  Yes the beach can still have the girls but restricted to where and when.

4 hours ago, 4reaL said:

wonder if the visa laws will become more favorable, nah that would be too logical......  

Thai logic stipulates that to get more visitor, must make visa even harder! Visa too easy, nobody come.

 

It's the blind leading the blind.

2 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Now is the time that the government and tourism industry needs to step in and take control of reinventing itself for the tourists with money and unfortunately at this time it is not the bar flies.  

 

The money is in the family industry.  Finding a cheap but enjoyable place for a family to travel from let's say Australia then you are looking at adding.

 

Yes you can have the bar girls and the bars.  Just move them away from the beach. 

 

Right now there are many places that the bar flies can go to that are not on beach road.  

 

Burn down walking street and rebuild it into family parks and water parks and such.  That will bring people.  Yes the beach can still have the girls but restricted to where and when.

Pattaya fulfills a function, it caters for single men looking for young women to have sex with.  It always has done.  It is what it is infamous for.  You can dress it up any way you like but that is the attraction.  Sure it has some family attractions but they are a poor shadow of other "real" family friendly resorts in Thailand, places that do it so much better.

 

Would it be a better place without all the sex and drugs?  Of course it would but then what are you actually left with?   Trying to create an upmarket resort when there are plenty of them elsewhere in Thailand, all with much better beaches and an airport near by.

"Ekkasit Ngamphichet said it would be at least 4 to 5 years before tourism in Pattaya returns to previous levels."

 

Shhh - don't let TAT hear you saying things like that, or unsavoury things might happen!

5 hours ago, keith101 said:

Gives them plenty of time to fix all the problems there , to many to mention .

Should the headline then read ""10 YEARS"????

airlines would only be able to cater for a trickle of tourists in many years time .it will take ages for long haul to get going again as pax wont be able to afford it

100 Baht Quarantine Centres ...Will make it a perpetual No Tourist Zone.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that operators in the tourism sector needed to be ready for a long haul to recovery that would be four to five years.

World class family resort, resembles a total mess, plenty of time to straighten out the place, including the power poles, not exactly a welcoming sight !

They could dock the intended new submarines there...at least the navy lads might be interested, Ha.

Seriously though there is no magic wand appearing to ease the situation so there is no point in Thailand looking for one. Many people around the world talked of 'new normal'...well maybe this it what it looks like for Thailand.

I went to a Thai ceremony over the w/e and was talking to a Thai Vocational College teacher. The teacher was upset with being denied extra funding in the typing/business section while tourism/hotel related education was expanded...to get ready for an influx of tourist next year. Sounded like TAT thinking to me.

in other words "tourism leader happy he hasnt got to do as much for at least 5 years" 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

maintaining the myth of zero cases of local transmission

the lie of zero local transmission is a dangerous ruthless game the thai government is playing

with the world. that is exactly how this horrific pandemic started - when the chinese government tried to lie

and hide their outbreak. in the long run those lies are exposed and cost much more.

5 hours ago, 4reaL said:

wonder if the visa laws will become more favorable, nah that would be too logical......  

Probably more harsher and 5 times more paper

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Pattaya: FIVE YEARS until tourism is back to previous levels, says tourism leader

Keep dreaming they will never be back to the same levels as before Thailand as become to expensive people are heading elsewhere . Tourists are not interested in the land of smiles anymore .

Different day, different quote. 

<Yawn>

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah but with what revenue now? 

Usually , in most countries, tourist revenue and taxes pay for making new roads , drains, paying street cleaners and waste collection, the list is very long . There are rules . When did you last get fleeced in the west ?City planning is run by architects that normally know what they’re doing. One cannot just build what one wants where one wants. In Thailand you can see a temple squashed in between bars and ultra modern condos ! Drives me crazy, it’s not a *thai* way, it’s just stupid and  ugly. 
Thailand has been ruined ! There’s no going back, how to fix a totally corrupt country , from police to local government to Joe next door ? As many foreigners say, they’ve been once , they won’t go back. Even the beaches are ruined. Maybe the only attraction left will be the bars and girls, will that be enough to keep tourism afloat ? Thailand will have to rely on the Chinese unfortunately.

I doubt anyone will read my response   but here it goes anyway.

A tourist comes to one of these Quarentine Hotel/Resorts.  Confined to the hotel and perhaps the grounds,  Perhaps the local surrounding village.  During the Quarentine stay the guest can come in contact with Staff and Local Vendors.  Also during the Quarentine stay the guest comes into contact with guests who arrived previous  and guests that came later.  During that time if the guest transmits the virus to a previous guest and the previous guest completes the quarentine period and tests negative (but has been infected and not showing virus during testing).  That guest would move on and unknowingly start infecting people that the guest comes into contact with.  The same continues with the guest who at the end of the quarentine period come into  contact with a newly quarentined tourist and contracts the virus passes the final covid test and proceeds on to vacationing in Thailand  unknowingly transmitting the virus he acquired in the last stage of quarentine.

10 minutes ago, agood1963 said:

Thailand as become to expensive people are heading elsewhere

it is not thailand that became more expensive - it is you who became too poor !!

Covid 19, officials speaking disparagingly about foreigners,  immigration,  corruption,  crime, closed borders...what could possibly go wrong?

With the extreme cowardice, timidity, paranoia, fear mongering and lack of planning and vision, on the part of this horribly hapless administration, it could be many years. 

 

Next year. 20% max. 2022. Maybe 40%. Maybe. It will NEVER return to its previous levels. Not in our lifetimes. The longer they wait, the more Thailand will be forgotten, and left in the dust.

 

The world can live without Thailand. But, can Thailand live without the world? Are there any lessons to be learned here? Pipat? Anutin? Prayuth? Anyone home? 

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The world can live without Thailand. But, can Thailand live without the world? Are there any lessons to be learned here? Pipat? Anutin? Prayuth? Anyone home? 

Give them time, they will become the submarine hub of the world!

30 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

did those woman gave you thier permission to publish their photo, with such a rude remark?

They are all standing out in an open public place (minding the coconut trees)

where was the rude remark ?????

Most tourists would be jobless right now. They are saving their money for food and their family matter. I don’t think that they will come to Thailand for tour soon. Most of them will be on tour in their own country and avoid Thailand, especially when it comes to the immigration policy and travel bubble requirements.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Ekkasit Ngamphichet said it would be at least 4 to 5 years before tourism in Pattaya returns to previous levels.

That's closer to the truth. 

I really don't see it ever getting back to what it was. When they eventually let the tourist back in and the price gouging starts all over again , the poor customer service, the overcharging for food and drinks and lack of planning for a sustainable tourism industry thats doesn't grid locked every road and speed boats on every bit of spare bit of beach sand, people will realize that Pattaya isn't what they remember it to be.

 

 

Look on the bright side...with 5 years to play with the prisoners will be able to speak many languages fluently ????