U.S. vote count edges Biden closer to win as Trump mounts legal challenges

[Meat Pie 47]

14 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Just as the Dems were trying to "steal" the election in 2016. Recounts were filed in Nevada (completed), Wisconsin (completed), Michigan (rejected/halted) and Pennsylvania (rejected/halted).

 

I'm using "steal" in inverted commas because it's the right thing to do when you have close contests - on both sides. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Dems would be doing exactly the same or worse if the situation was reversed.

 

Nothing will be stolen. Any legal processes that will eventuate from this will ensure everything is above board.

 

Anyway, if Joe Biden wins, welcome to your first ever female president: Harris. She'll destroy what's left of your country once they "fix" the covid problem.

Keep dancing Donald right into prison

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10 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

 You probably read the wrong news as reasons have been given, and Trump doesn't make such decisions without a legal team. 

Yes, Trump is well known for carefully thinking things over before he speaks. Not the kind of guy to speak ill of his attorney general for not indicting Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Maybe there's some other President Trump you're thinking of?

[JensenZ]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes, Trump is well known for carefully thinking things over before he speaks. Not the kind of guy to speak ill of his attorney general for not indicting Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Maybe there's some other President Trump you're thinking of?

We're talking about court cases here. The court will decide.

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Just now, JensenZ said:

We're talking about court cases here. The court will decide.

But what you claimed is that Trump doesn't make such decisions without a legal team. As though Trump wouldn't command his legal team to comply with his wishes no matter how weak the case. The lunatic has been screeching accusations of fraud based on virtually nothing.

[Scott]

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[Sujo]

39 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Obviously evidence will be presented to the court. They will decide to reject it or not. That's what courts are for. If there's no reason, then nothing will happen. You probably read the wrong news as reasons have been given, and Trump doesn't make such decisions without a legal team. If the reasons are not valid, you will find out soon enough.

He didnt know how votes were counted before the election?

 

 

[LomSak27]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Good luck to our American friends paying their rent soon

 Okay, the dollar went down .4 of a baht.

 

Friday is my farang food day. I'm thinking a reuben & fries.  .4 is not going to be a major concern. 

[candide]

Michigan state judge dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit about canvassing observation

From CNN's Jessica Schneider and Laura Jarrett

A state court judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit brought by the Trump campaign that asked for an immediate halt to the vote counting until its representatives had “meaningful” access to ballot counting and adjudication.

Judge Cynthia Stephens was highly skeptical throughout a virtual hearing on Thursday about the lack of admissible evidence in the case and whether the campaign had sued the right party (Secretary of State Benson).

“What I have is, at best, a hearsay affidavit that addresses a harm that would be significant,” said Judge Cynthia Stephens. “We’ve got an affidavit that is not first-hand knowledge.”

 

Georgia judge dismisses lawsuit filed by Republicans over count of ballots

From CNN's Erica Orden 

A Georgia state court dismissed a lawsuit filed by Georgia Republicans to prevent the "unlawful counting of ballots received after the election" in Savannah. They filed the lawsuit after a poll watcher for the party allegedly viewed unprocessed absentee ballots mixed in with absentee ballots that were set to be tabulated. 

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-05-20/h_739b66ef430b53812be059d5ce5ed807

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Edited November 5, 2020 by candide

[Meat Pie 47]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

We're talking about court cases here. The court will decide.

You talking about the Kangaroo court ?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Michigan state judge dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit about canvassing observation

From CNN's Jessica Schneider and Laura Jarrett

A state court judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit brought by the Trump campaign that asked for an immediate halt to the vote counting until its representatives had “meaningful” access to ballot counting and adjudication.

Judge Cynthia Stephens was highly skeptical throughout a virtual hearing on Thursday about the lack of admissible evidence in the case and whether the campaign had sued the right party (Secretary of State Benson).

“What I have is, at best, a hearsay affidavit that addresses a harm that would be significant,” said Judge Cynthia Stephens. “We’ve got an affidavit that is not first-hand knowledge.”

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-05-20/h_739b66ef430b53812be059d5ce5ed807

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And rightly so.

 

Trump’s aim in trying to halt a count is to run out the clock past the time by which votes must be counted.

 

Once again, the President trying to choose the votes, rather than allowing the votes to charge President.

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And rightly so.

 

Trump’s aim in trying to halt a count is to run out the clock past the time by which votes must be counted.

 

Once again, the President trying to choose the votes, rather than allowing the votes to charge President.

The only way he can win is by cheating. That's been very clear from the start.

[Kelsall]

The fix is in.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Kelsall

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

As more information comes out, it's becoming more apparent that the fix is in.  The election results will be decided in the US Supreme Court and Trump will be inaugurated on Jan 20.

What evidence of voter fraud has come in?

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Seems to be nevade that is going to be decisive.

Nevada could be on the verge of being called for Biden. Add probable Arizona and voila 270.

 

This is from a very credible news source. 

Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.com affiliated with ABC News.

 

 

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What evidence of voter fraud has come in?

Its very very rare but in the minds of losing 45 fans its everywhere, everywhere. Oh my!

[Scott]

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[simple1]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

The fix is in.

 

'The fix' is normal parlance for criminal interference in a legal process i.e. attempted  corruption. trump and co are repeatedly trying to interfere with legally valid processes of voter count which appears to be acceptable to trump supporters - a sad indictment for US democracy - but currently looks as though the corrupt trump regime is on it's way out.

[sscc]

Including Arizona,  there are still five states remaining that may go one way or the other. 

 

Comparing the counts between Oct 5 US EST Thursday morning and Thursday late afternoon ( 5 pm Thursday ),  the trend shows Trump may win only 2 of 5 remaining states,  but Trump needs at least 4 out of 5 and with Penn States in the tally in order to get over 270.     

 

Surely NOT looking good for Trump now.  

[ding]

Biden just needs to win one of four states, excluding Alaska.

 

Even if Biden wins a Republican Senate will block everything - as they did during the Obama's administration.

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, ding said:

Biden just needs to win one of four states, excluding Alaska.

 

Even if Biden wins a Republican Senate will block everything - as they did during the Obama's administration.

Biden is more of a peacemaker, and with Trump out of the picture the Republican party will have a different approach.

[ding]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Biden is more of a peacemaker, and with Trump out of the picture the Republican party will have a different approach.

I think you may be right. Already there are Republicans finding the courage to say all the votes should be counted.

[cmarshall]

11 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

I'm not American, so maybe there's something about the counting that I don't understand.

Many states have been declared as Trump or Biden wins - before all the votes have been counted.

 

One example: Arizona declared as a win for Biden.

So far the vote count is Trump 1,400,000 and Biden 1,470,000 a lead of  just 70,000.

But, there are still almost 400,000 votes uncounted.

Surely this means that Trump could still win, theoretically.

What am I missing?

 

I'm taking these figures from the Guardian live update https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

 

The governors of the states will certify the results to Congress on or before Dec. 8.  Those are the official results from the states themselves.  What you read now about calling a state for one candidate or another is the opinion of journalists and statisticians, not official results.

 

And yes, until a candidate gets more than 50% of votes cast the ballots yet to be counted could swing the vote to the other candidate.  However, since they know where the uncounted votes come from, districts that are known to Dem or Repub, they can usually make good predictions about the net effect of the yet-to-counted votes.

[Jeffr2]

We should know about Pennsylvania today, later in the afternoon.  Fingers crossed! ????

[cmarshall]

28 minutes ago, ding said:

Biden just needs to win one of four states, excluding Alaska.

 

Even if Biden wins a Republican Senate will block everything - as they did during the Obama's administration.

 

That's what I expect.  Mitch McConnell will block all judicial appointments from Biden including for the Supreme Court, but he could go further still.  All of the Cabinet members have to be confirmed by the Senate.  McConnell could refuse all of those, as well, so that Biden has difficulty governing the country.  Then two years there is another congressional election at which time the Biden administration will have nothing to show for their two years in office.  Bad for the Dems and bad for the country.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

'The fix' is normal parlance for criminal interference in a legal process i.e. attempted  corruption. trump and co are repeatedly trying to interfere with legally valid processes of voter count which appears to be acceptable to trump supporters - a sad indictment for US democracy - but currently looks as though the corrupt trump regime is on it's way out.

It is broader than that.

 

The common phrase “the fix is in” means that the outcome of an event or process has been covertly manipulated to ensure a result that would otherwise be determined by chance or a fair test of some kind.

 

I can, and have, used the phrase when it's clear that what I am eating for dinner was decided long before I was asked what I want for dinner. Etc.

 

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/269815/etymology-of-the-fix-is-in

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by rabas

[Jeffr2]

Wow.  Listening to Trump now.  What a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories.  He's just rambling, blaming others, saying everything is against him, blah, blah, blah. 

 

Stunning anyone could support this conman.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Wow.  Listening to Trump now.  What a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories.  He's just rambling, blaming others, saying everything is against him, blah, blah, blah. 

 

Stunning anyone could support this conman.

He needs to quit whining already.

 

Nobody likes a whiner.

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He needs to quit whining already.

 

Nobody likes a whiner.

 

When this is over and Biden becomes President-elect, Trump is going to look very different to a lot of people. 

 

No one likes a loser either.

[Jeffr2]

Down to a 4k lead in Georgia.  Around 64k in PA.

[cmarshall]

15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Wow.  Listening to Trump now.  What a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories.  He's just rambling, blaming others, saying everything is against him, blah, blah, blah. 

 

Stunning anyone could support this conman.

 

60% of white people voted for him.