Authorities probing why Thai woman with Covid-19 was not quarantined

By The Nation

 

 

The Public Health Ministry on Saturday revealed the timeline of a domestic case of Covid-19 found yesterday.

 

The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration on Saturday reported five new cases, including a domestic patient. She is 29 years old and lives in Chiang Mai province.

 

The director of the Division of Communicable Disease, Dr Sophon Iamsirithaworn, said that according to the investigation by related authorities on November 27, the patient had worked in Myanmar from October 24 to November 23.

 

On November 23, she felt sick and on the following day she returned to Thailand via Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai. She travelled by van to the Muang district of Chiang Rai.

 

On the same day, she went to Chiang Mai by a public bus and called a taxi to take her to her condominium. At night she went to an entertainment place at Santitham area in Chiang Mai with two friends.

 

On November 25, she stayed in a condo of her friend. After that she took a Grab taxi and went to her own condomiumum, and in the afternoon she visited a nearby shopping mall, watched a movie and did shopping. Most of the time she reportedly wore a mask.

 

On November 26, she went to the hospital to check her illness and it was found that she was infected with the virus. She was then sent to Nakornping Hospital. The result was confirmed on November 27.

 

Sophon said that 326 people had been in contact with the patient, of which 105 are in a high-risk group. They include those in the patient's condominium, her friend's condominium, the shopping mall, the entertainment venue and those in the vehicles in which she travelled. Through the transport vehicles, 35 people in the van and bus and 5 Grab car drivers were at risk.

 

Reacting to questions on why she was not quarantined when she entered Thailand, the Disease Control Department's director-general, Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, said that the case was under probe.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30398751

 

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Covid is out in the wild again, time to write your wills and get under the kitchen table with a handkerchief on your head...

Looks like the border controls have significant holes in the defences. How many others are coming in undetected.

And seems to be more and more cases of those actually in quarantine.

Thailand on the verge of a real wave of infections?

So far Thailand have been extremely lucky with the pandemic, the question is for how much longer?.. the borders or Myanmar is so pours and void of protection that a parade of a elephants can get trough and no one will care or notice where by border runners, refugees and criminals go through it everyday, so it will be not surprising if Covid is getting through with no one the wiser....

58 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Authorities probing why Thai woman with Covid-19 was not quarantined

I'd hazard a guess she was already suffering from the "Do you know who my father is?" syndrome.

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I'd hazard a guess she was already suffering from the "Do you know who my father is?" syndrome.

 

What is there to probe if she came into Thailand at a passport or border pass locations and were her documents checked?

 

If there is no check at border pass locations why not? Especially coming in from Myanmar where they have many new infections every day.

 

But no doubt it will take 30 days to investigate and it will never be mentioned again in the media who never follow up anything. 

I venture to guess that she did what she wanted to do without caring as most of the Thai girls do. They do it their way without regard for others, nothing can come before shopping and fun.

 

Additionally, I believe they will find not one of her contacts tests positive as it will follow suit with all of the other track and trace cases.  It will be overshadowed by the protests and the need for security as if they let the cat out of the bag it will damage Thailands much coveted view of their own image.  She should be charged with damaging the Image of Thailand, made to wai, pay 50 baht and go become a nun.

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I venture to guess that she did what she wanted to do without caring as most of the Thai girls do. They do it their way without regard for others, nothing can come before shopping and fun.

 

Additionally, I believe they will find not one of her contacts tests positive as it will follow suit with all of the other track and trace cases.  It will be overshadowed by the protests and the need for security as if they let the cat out of the bag it will damage Thailands much coveted view of their own image.  She should be charged with damaging the Image of Thailand, made to wai, pay 50 baht and go become a nun.

A nun could perhaps mean a person in a Thai jail for 5 years.  

13 minutes ago, scorecard said:

A nun could perhaps mean a person in a Thai jail for 5 years.  

If she escaped, she would be a nun on the run.

28 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

If she escaped, she would be a nun on the run.

Oh what a Habit that would make. 

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Authorities probing why Thai woman with Covid-19 was not quarantined

 

I smell a committee being formed.

 

I wonder if she will be prosecuted? Have to pay for the closure of Central Festival Mall for cleaning?

 

 

1 hour ago, Natai Beach said:

 

Great tracing work by the Thais. 
I wish the western countries would take it as seriously.

Any tracing done on the Trumps, Boris Johnson, Prince William and Charles? On any of the million new in infections in the USA last week or their other 13 million cases? Too hard basket? In Europe?

 

Those numbers are probably low. I assume they come from people using the tracing app.

 

I don't know about Chiang Mai, but I have noticed that wherever I go in Bangkok, very few people (if any) use the app when entering shopping malls.

 

Apart from that, she is Thai. She knows the rules about quarantine. She knows the seriousness of the situation. She knew she was sick, but still socialised. Give her the hardest possible punishment to deter others.

I've stayed near the border checkpoint before.  On the left as you are looking at Myanmar. People crossed the river there illegally all night.  Some just waded across, others got into huge bins and were taken across.  I've seen this also happen in many places around Thailand.  It's a very porous border.

22 minutes ago, petedk said:

Apart from that, she is Thai. She knows the rules about quarantine. She knows the seriousness of the situation. She knew she was sick, but still socialised. Give her the hardest possible punishment to deter others

The hardest possible punishment is death.Are you suggesting she should be put to death for getting sick?Is that to deter others from getting sick?Seems to be a bit of hate going around a symptom of this virus and a lot of fear and loathing.

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The hardest possible punishment is death.Are you suggesting she should be put to death for getting sick?Is that to deter others from getting sick?Seems to be a bit of hate going around a symptom of this virus and a lot of fear and loathing.

Understood, but she is putting others lives at risk.  There should be a punishment for that.  If someone caught the virus due to her, and died, then that could be called murder.  Perhaps premeditated if she knew she had the virus.  Kinda like having unprotected sex with others knowing you've got AIDS/HIV.

9 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The hardest possible punishment is death.Are you suggesting she should be put to death for getting sick?Is that to deter others from getting sick?Seems to be a bit of hate going around a symptom of this virus and a lot of fear and loathing.

I'd say let the punishment fit the offence. Once she is recovered, put her to work in a hospital ward for a month, with terminally ill patients. As a cleaner.

I think the punishments suggested here for someone who didn't know what she had because in all probability her symptoms were very mild like in 90% of cases and evidenced by her ability to socialise travel and shop, are far too lenient.

 

Strip her, drag her through the streets, hang, draw and quarter her, then giver her life in a hard labour camp, make her family work as slaves for the rest of their lives, sell her dog to a Korean restaurant,  raise her village to the ground and drain the local reservoir of water. 

 

THAT should discourage others from this heinous crime.....

25 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Understood, but she is putting others lives at risk.  There should be a punishment for that.  If someone caught the virus due to her, and died, then that could be called murder.  Perhaps premeditated if she knew she had the virus.  Kinda like having unprotected sex with others knowing you've got AIDS/HIV.

It's not called murder and it's not premeditated if you want to lynch people for living that's your choice but it's not justifiable because people catch viruses and die and have been doing so for a very long time without being called murderers why are you calling people murderers for getting sick?Do you have some issues?Then get some tissues! 

41 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I've stayed near the border checkpoint before.  On the left as you are looking at Myanmar. People crossed the river there illegally all night.  Some just waded across, others got into huge bins and were taken across.  I've seen this also happen in many places around Thailand.  It's a very porous border.

 

They crossed all day too whenever I went there pre-covid days.

And the Mae Sot Immigration building overlooks the illegal crossing too.

????

There is nothing to indicate that they have traced all the people. It would be good to know, but would you believe what we are told?
Its easy to judge how many people she may have been in contact with.

Finding who they are may not be so easy without public announcements.

They are making it sound as if this is all fully known and under control when its very unlikely if nothing like that has been being done or is ongoing.

Most malls i go into now have no tracing. Its false to think so.

It may be easy to trace Taxis and some people in Malls, but public transport? There is no requirement to give ID for getting on van or bus.
"35 people in the van and bus". They know that from the logs, but dont necessarily know who they were.

Thailand should introduce The Stocks for people like her. A good week locked in these having rotten fruit & vegetables thrown at you seems a good way to start her treatment. Oh, and similar treatment should be meted out to all the most senior Immigration & RTP officials who's sloppy management allowed this creature into Thailand.

Can you imagine if it was a foreigner and have to pay for the cleaning of the mall who knows what Else but she’s thia no worries Tit

The hotel that my daughter works at are already getting cancellations,

seems people are afraid to come to Chiang Mai,up till now they were

doing quite well with Thai tourists.

regards Worgeordie

 

52 minutes ago, jojothai said:

There is nothing to indicate that they have traced all the people. It would be good to know, but would you believe what we are told?
Its easy to judge how many people she may have been in contact with.

Finding who they are may not be so easy without public announcements.

They are making it sound as if this is all fully known and under control when its very unlikely if nothing like that has been being done or is ongoing.

Most malls i go into now have no tracing. Its false to think so.

It may be easy to trace Taxis and some people in Malls, but public transport? There is no requirement to give ID for getting on van or bus.
"35 people in the van and bus". They know that from the logs, but dont necessarily know who they were.

they are using cell phones to do contact tracing.  If other phones are on while in the bus or van, they'll know who was there.  No app needed for this.

She will survive, like 99% of the infected

I have been talking about going to Changers in a week or two but now everyone there is Covid stricken I may just stay here.

Some troll posts and the trolling replies have been removed.

 

Some off topic deflection posts and replies have been removed. 

 

False positives are very rare - about 1 in 100 and, for 2 separate tests (as is routine when the 1st is positive, and as was done in her case) it's about 1 in 1,000.

 

False negatives are common, especially early in the disease and in mild or asymptomatic cases,  but not false positives.

 

Add to this that she is symptomatic. And was recently in an area of high transmission.

 

There is no question this woman has COVID.

 

However it is a bit premature to start panicking or speculating (as article in BP did today) that she is a "super spreader".

1 hour ago, jojothai said:

There is nothing to indicate that they have traced all the people. It would be good to know, but would you believe what we are told?
Its easy to judge how many people she may have been in contact with.

Finding who they are may not be so easy without public announcements.

They are making it sound as if this is all fully known and under control when its very unlikely if nothing like that has been being done or is ongoing.

Most malls i go into now have no tracing. Its false to think so.

It may be easy to trace Taxis and some people in Malls, but public transport? There is no requirement to give ID for getting on van or bus.
"35 people in the van and bus". They know that from the logs, but dont necessarily know who they were.

A friend of me is staying at the same Condo as her.

One would expect that they inform the people staying there, and ask if somebody has been in contact with the infected woman.

So far nobody has contacted or informed him, he just knows about it through the news.

So much about "contact tracing".

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

However it is a bit premature to start panicking or speculating (as article in BP did today) that she is a "super spreader".

Hmm, why did the BP think she worked in a bar?