29 dead in Norway after given Vaccine

[meechai]

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Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with

serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

 

https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/6/163541/Six-more-elderly-died-in-Norway-after-vaccine-jabs

 

I wonder why they risk giving these vaccines to those with "serious underlying health conditions "?

 

[4MyEgo]

Why on earth would they give terminally ill, elderly patients a new vaccine, especially when their immune systems are so weak and they are terminal anyway ?

 

RIP

Edited January 17, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[sirineou]

About 50,000 of the elderly and high risk get vaccinated and of those 50,000 , twenty nine died.

I wonder if there was no Pandemic and no Vaccine, how many of that 50,000 elderly high risk crowd would had died? 

Edited January 17, 2021 by sirineou

[faraday]

The BMJ reports 23 deaths:

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

 

Bloomberg reports:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

 

Why else are elderly people being prioritized for vaccination....?

 

Besides which, the Norwegians had " serious underlying...etc"

 

And last Friday, Pfizer allegedly have a supply issue.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55666399

 

Coincidence.....?

[tonray]

4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why on earth would they give elderly terminally ill patients a new vaccine, especially when their immune systems are so weak and they are terminal ?

 

RIP

They were not terminally ill per se...their only terminal condition was old age and frailty. The reason they vaccinate is that elderly patients in a state of frailty have a 90% probability of hospitalization if contracting Covid-19. My mom was in a care home for many years...I would visit one day and some residents would be chatting and joking with me and the next day when I arrive....they'd be gone...anything can trigger sudden death in that population...

[Kinnock]

Headline should really say; "Norway stops wasting vaccine doses on frail, terminally-ill patients and focuses on front-line health workers like they should have been doing in the first place".

 

 

[Crossy]

"29 dead in Norway after given Vaccine" wellll, they are hardly going to die before being given the vaccine are they?

 

29 of 50,000 is 0.06%

 

I really do wish that the media wouldn't keep publishing these scare-mongering reports, they only serve to feed the anti-vax brigade and increase the danger to the sensible ones.

 

 

[4MyEgo]

7 minutes ago, tonray said:

They were not terminally ill per se...their only terminal condition was old age and frailty. The reason they vaccinate is that elderly patients in a state of frailty have a 90% probability of hospitalization if contracting Covid-19. My mom was in a care home for many years...I would visit one day and some residents would be chatting and joking with me and the next day when I arrive....they'd be gone...anything can trigger sudden death in that population...

It does say terminally ill in this video, that's were I saw it.

 

 

[KhaoYai]

This is a concern and will be used to its absolute extent by the anti vax brigade.  However, for now I think its best taken in perspective.  Millions of Pfizer vaccinations have taken place and as far as I know, nobody else has died - why only in Norway?

 

There have been a few allergic reactions in the UK but all of those were people who'd had allergic reactions in the past and all of them were fully recovered within 24 hours.  The UK government has given instructions that until the results of investigations are known, those who have had allergic reactions to vaccinations and medications in the past should not be given either the Pfizer or Astra Zeneca vaccine.

 

I believe there were also 21 cases of allergic reactions in the US - out of 1.9 million vaccinations (at the time).

 

I'm staying in the queue.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Crossy said:

29 dead in Norway after given Vaccine" wellll, they are hardly going to die before being given the vaccine are they?

That was funny ???? LMAO

[cormanr7]

Maybe it was not such a bright idea to inject these frail people with (any) vaccine.

Interesting note: in the Pfizer-BioNTech phase III trial, the oldest patients were 85 (41% fell in the age group of 56-85). It is simply to risky to include very elderly people.

[Crossy]

3 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

I'm staying in the queue.

 

Me too, but I agree "why only Norway" certainly needs investigating although I suspect the result will be that they quite possibly would have died anyway.

[KhaoYai]

1 minute ago, cormanr7 said:

Maybe it was not such a bright idea to inject these frail people with (any) vaccine.

Interesting note: in the Pfizer-BioNTech phase III trial, the oldest patients were 85 (41% fell in the age group of 56-85). It is simply to risky to include very elderly people.

I sincerely hope you're not classing a 56 year old as 'very elderly' ????.

[Crossy]

3 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

I sincerely hope you're not classing a 56 year old as 'very elderly' ????.

 

Me too. That said my employer classes me as "at risk" so I must work from home. Not that I'm complaining but I'm only 61 (62 in April) and in reasonable health.

 

Of course that I don't have to drive 100km every day and shell 1,000 Baht a week on tolls is a bonus. Sadly my body just insists on waking up at 4.30AM like every other workday.

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Me too. That said my employer classes me as "at risk" so I must work from home. Not that I'm complaining but I'm only 61 (62 in April) and in reasonable health.

 

Of course that I don't have to drive 100km every day and shell 1,000 Baht a week on tolls is a bonus. Sadly my body just insists on waking up at 4.30AM like every other workday.

Did you ever consider the possibility that they got tired of looking at you and are using the covid excuse for a Crossy vacation ????

[Salerno]

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Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) is seeking more information about the deaths, but in Norway it's only triggered a small adjustment to how vaccinations are delivered.

 

The TGA confirmed it had received reports of "about 30" deaths of people in nursing homes who received the vaccine, though noted approximately 400 people die in an ordinary week in Norwegian nursing homes.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/pfizer-norway-vaccine-concerns-safe-australia-deaths/13065868

Edited January 18, 2021 by Salerno

[Tagged]

More suspecious that only Norway have reports on deaths after vaccine!? 

[Oldie]

43 minutes ago, sirineou said:

About 50,000 of the elderly and high risk get vaccinated and of those 50,000 , twenty nine died.

I wonder if there was no Pandemic and no Vaccine, how many of that 50,000 elderly high risk crowd would had died? 

You are right. With or without vaccine we all will die anyway.

 

BUT if you give a person the vaccine and this person dies because of this then you killed this person... 

[ezzra]

True or not, it will only give anti vaxxers more reason to resist the jab as we don't have enough problems as it is without such bad news...

[cormanr7]

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

I sincerely hope you're not classing a 56 year old as 'very elderly' ????.

What I said was that the vaccine had not been tested on people aged over 85. For me anyone above this age is  elderly. Concerning the health of this group, this differs enormously from basically unable to do anything themselves to fine. Hence it should be decided on a case by case base whether they could be vaccinated. In many of the Norwegian cases, it seems that the risk far outweighed the (potential) benefits. However, if and to what extent the vaccin was responsible for their death is not clear at the moment so it is too early to jump to conclusions. It would not surprise me if there actualy is a disclaimer on using the vaccine in untested groups (which for the Pfizer vaccine means anyone outside the 18-85 age range).

Finally, if 56 was 'very elderly' (which is not said anywhere), I would be 'extremely elderly'.  

[Scott]

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[scubascuba3]

Strange this seems a Norway problem only, unless censorship going on

[Skallywag]

2 hours ago, Oldie said:

You are right. With or without vaccine we all will die anyway.

 

BUT if you give a person the vaccine and this person dies because of this then you killed this person... 

Yes, and if you never get into an automobile, you will never die of a car crash.  If you never swim, you cannot drown.  If you never overeat, you will not die from obesity from which 3 million die each year.  BUT people still do all these things every day.  Up to You as they say

[KannikaP]

2 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Headline should really say; "Norway stops wasting vaccine doses on frail, terminally-ill patients and focuses on front-line health workers like they should have been doing in the first place".

 

 

And so should the NHS in UK. The only way these old folk can get the Virus is from a visitor or carer, so Immunise them first.

Then the able bodied workers to get the economy going again.

[pixelaoffy]

What a fake headline To a  thread .   Could have come from Fox news

Edited January 18, 2021 by pixelaoffy

[MJCM]

3 hours ago, faraday said:

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And last Friday, Pfizer allegedly have a supply issue.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55666399

 

Coincidence.....?

 

 

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The hold-up is due to a "problem in the loading and shipment process" at its plant in Belgium, the health ministry said in a statement, citing the Spanish branch of Pfizer.

 

Health Minister Salvador Illa told Spanish radio network SER that the delay was due to a problem "linked to the control of the temperature" of the shipments which was "apparently fixed."

The vaccine, which uses mRNA technology, is extremely sensitive to heat. It is stored at nearly -70 degrees Celsius (-112°F) ahead of shipping, before being sent to distribution centres in specially designed cool boxes filled with dry ice.

On arrival, it must be kept at 2°C to 8°C for it to remain effective for up to five days.

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/biontech-pfizer-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-to-8-eu-nations/a-56074466

Edited January 18, 2021 by MJCM

[Oldie]

23 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Yes, and if you never get into an automobile, you will never die of a car crash.  If you never swim, you cannot drown.  If you never overeat, you will not die from obesity from which 3 million die each year.  BUT people still do all these things every day.  Up to You as they say

There is a big difference. I trust the company that produces the vaccine and the person who gives me the vaccine that it will not kill me. Take your example with the car crash. If it crashes because of technical design problems the car company will be responsible. 

 

Anyhow. This means that never anybody can be forced to get the vaccination and I also expect legal consequences. 

[FarFlungFalang]

44 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Yes, and if you never get into an automobile, you will never die of a car crash.  If you never swim, you cannot drown.  If you never overeat, you will not die from obesity from which 3 million die each year.  BUT people still do all these things every day.  Up to You as they say

Sadly 3 kids died in Oz recently when a car doing donuts crashed and they weren't in a car.People drown in the bath.If you don't swim and you're in deep water chances are you'll drown. 

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Oldie said:

There is a big difference. I trust the company that produces the vaccine and the person who gives me the vaccine that it will not kill me. Take your example with the car crash. If it crashes because of technical design problems the car company will be responsible. 

 

Anyhow. This means that never anybody can be forced to get the vaccination and I also expect legal consequences. 

Agree to a point, though tire blowouts, "brake" failures, etc... have led to deaths unintentional by manufacturers.

 

True, you cannot be "forced" to take a vaccine. Yet you may not be able to fly on a commercial airline, enter foreign countries,  or possibly eat in restaurants without a vaccine certificate.  Individual and corporate decisions to protect others that follow simple health and safety guidelines.  But again - it is "up to you"

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Oldie said:

There is a big difference. I trust the company that produces the vaccine and the person who gives me the vaccine that it will not kill me. Take your example with the car crash. If it crashes because of technical design problems the car company will be responsible. 

 

Anyhow. This means that never anybody can be forced to get the vaccination and I also expect legal consequences. 

 

 

 

Life is all about choices.

 

 

Whilst I don't think that it will come to this, there could a choice of vaccinate and remain in Thailand - or not. That is when you can test your priorities as I guess few airlines will check you in without a certificate.