after the teething issues we have another metaphor from Gove

 

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“We all know that when an aeroplane takes off, that’s the point when you sometimes get that increased level of turbulence,”

 

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“But then eventually you reach a cruising altitude and the crew tell you to take your seatbelts off, and enjoy a gin and tonic and some peanuts. 

 

the sunlit uplands are really high up in the air ????

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/09/eu-to-seek-more-time-to-ratify-brexit-trade-deal-amid-tensions-with-uk

 

 

 

and the diplomatic representation row is still denied

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Both Gove and Frost were forced to deny that the UK was engaged in a tit for tat struggle with the EU over the recognition of diplomatic representatives after a near-year-long row about the UK’s refusal to grant full diplomatic status of the EU mission to the UK

 

12 hours ago, vogie said:

I agree with you.

I agree with your 'buy british' I was in Tops yesterday and bought up a British brand biscuit that was priced buy one get one free. Desperate times, etc. ????

 

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

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“We all know that when an aeroplane takes off, that’s the point when you sometimes get that increased level of turbulence,”

 

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“But then eventually you reach a cruising altitude and the crew tell you to take your seatbelts off, and enjoy a gin and tonic and some peanuts. 

Let's hope that the nuts and gin aren't stuck in a lorry somewhere before we take off eh?

At every opportunity the EU will spank UK ...this is one of those opportunities.

32 minutes ago, paddypower said:

I agree with your 'buy british' I was in Tops yesterday and bought up a British brand biscuit that was priced buy one get one free. Desperate times, etc. ????

 

Well done, you know it makes sense. 

14 hours ago, robblok said:

Yea its not as if the fishermen themselves know better then the government who is bias not to look foolish.

 

I do know who i believe, the fishermen not the UK government. 

 

 

Hear hear. Brexit has no teeth as these idiots are finding out.

13 hours ago, vogie said:

Are you saying don't blame the left wing press for lying, is this what you're asking me, please tell me you're joking. 

I read the Guardian all the time. And also what other people would call MSM.

As far as I see the Guardian is mostly accurate.

Obviously it's important to understand the difference between news and opinion articles.

News are about facts. If you see factual mistakes then report them and I am sure the editors will correct them.

Opinion articles are exactly that, opinions. We might agree or maybe not. And that is also reflected in comments. For some articles most commenters agree. For other articles they mostly disagree, and anything in between. Just opinions.

If it is 60% or 30% it is not the great British empire ruling the waves as promised. I would have expected the brexiteers to be out in force as they used to last year but maybe reality hit them to hard.

19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I read the Guardian all the time. And also what other people would call MSM.

As far as I see the Guardian is mostly accurate.

Obviously it's important to understand the difference between news and opinion articles.

News are about facts. If you see factual mistakes then report them and I am sure the editors will correct them.

Opinion articles are exactly that, opinions. We might agree or maybe not. And that is also reflected in comments. For some articles most commenters agree. For other articles they mostly disagree, and anything in between. Just opinions.

Can we just say that The Guardian is designed to appeal to a certain niche of readers as this chart shows.

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Can we just say that The Guardian is designed to appeal to a certain niche of readers as this chart shows.

 

Based on that graph if guardian is too far left, then the Mirror is, and pretty much the Telegraph, The Sun, The daily Express and The Daily mail would also have to be discarded out of hand. 

 

That would leave reading The Independent and The Times - then trying to find commonality. 

The 68% drop refers to traffic flowing in the UK to EU direction. The rebuttal articles refer to 'cross-border trade' i.e. both directions. There has been only a slight fall in traffic FROM europe..............

 

There are further EU rules which come into effect in April which will probably finish 90% of UK fresh shellfish exports to the EU, as they will not comply without significant changes to purification procedures which will require new equipment.

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Based on that graph if guardian is too far left, then the Mirror is, and pretty much the Telegraph, The Sun, The daily Express and The Daily mail would also have to be discarded out of hand. 

 

That would leave reading The Independent and The Times - then trying to find commonality. 

I wouldn't trust any off them with maybe the exception of the Times. I class the Guardian almost in the same league as the Daily Mail. It will be a breath of fresh air when the new News Channel GB News is up and running, who would you trust more to be accurate with the news Owen Jones or Andrew Neil, doesn't really take a lot of thinking about does it.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Can we just say that The Guardian is designed to appeal to a certain niche of readers as this chart shows.

 

By your own graph there are more newspapers that are right wing then left wing. Also far extremer then your left wing press. So I wonder why Brexiteers moan so much about the press being to left. Most of the papers mentioned here are far more right and more extreme right then the left papers are left.

 

But even if the percentages are lower its still a big lie by the Brit goverment. Brexit is hurting them badly they are handling it badly. 

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

I class the Guardian almost in the same league as the Daily Mail.

That is obviously your personal opinion.

 

I think the Guardian news reports the truth. Obviously lots of Boris and Brexit fans don't like the truth. But that is not the Guardian's fault.

 

The Guardian opinions are often left of center, how much left is a big question.

Some people call the left communists. I don't remember ever reading an article pro communists in the Guardian. 

And sometime the Guardian even published opinions from the right side. It's always funny to read those.

Gove's latest take on Brexit.......

 

Brexit is like taking a flight........ we have had lift off, we are up, there is some turbulence (only to be expected), but someone be along soon to serve you a gin and tonic.

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The Guardian opinions are often left of center, how much left is a big question.

If we say that the UK is the centre of our planet and if the world was flat, I think that it would be fair to say that the Guardian would be hovering somewhere near the Sydney Opera House ready to fall off the edge.????????

 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

If we say that the UK is the centre of our planet and if the world was flat, I think that it would be fair to say that the Guardian would be hovering somewhere near the Sydney Opera House ready to fall off the edge.????????

 

Long live the Daily Express and GBTV....the voices of reason.

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

If we say that the UK is the centre of our planet and if the world was flat, I think that it would be fair to say that the Guardian would be hovering somewhere near the Sydney Opera House ready to fall off the edge.????????

Maybe you should discuss that with Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. 

 

But I understand your point. I am sure lots of people in the UK think they are the center of the planet. ???? 

11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Gove's latest take on Brexit.......

 

Brexit is like taking a flight........ we have had lift off, we are up, there is some turbulence (only to be expected), but someone be along soon to serve you a gin and tonic.

And remember the last words of the pilot: Sure we will arrive down to earth. ???? 

17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you should discuss that with Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. 

 

But I understand your point. I am sure lots of people in the UK think they are the center of the planet. ???? 

Maybe you should discuss that with Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. 

I wish I could but I think that all the Marx brothers sadly are no longer with us, my favourite was Harpo.

 

But I understand your point. I am sure lots of people in the UK think they are the center of the planet.

Well we are, somebody has to be at the centre if our wourld is flat, if I had written Kuala Lumpa it wouldn't have made any sense or even have had the same impact. Just an observation, why as a Euro do you spell centre the American way?

38 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That is obviously your personal opinion.

 

I think the Guardian news reports the truth. Obviously lots of Boris and Brexit fans don't like the truth. But that is not the Guardian's fault.

 

The Guardian opinions are often left of center, how much left is a big question.

Some people call the left communists. I don't remember ever reading an article pro communists in the Guardian. 

And sometime the Guardian even published opinions from the right side. It's always funny to read those.

 

I think you are right that in many publications opinion/columnist articles are often very clearly politicised and aimed at a specific target readership. That's not to say this necessarily fully permeates through their whole 'news' coverage, which in broadsheets at least, can often be found to be somewhat objective.

 

Boris and his cabinet are doing a good job in very difficult circumstances.

 

Brits stop your pathetic whining and support your country.

 

 

 

 

Understatement of the year.

Even I could see the "fishing rights" being a problem years ago but these clowns ignored it because it was too hard to solve then & now .

The chickens have come home to roost

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Boris and his cabinet are doing a good job in very difficult circumstances.

 

Brits stop your pathetic whining and support your country.

 

 

 

 

The circumstances are all of their own making, right from the Leave campaign and its false promises. Is the National Health getting an extra £350 million a week since January 1st?

I love my country but you can't beat Brexit for sheer stupidity.

'I know! Let's leave that massive market we belong to with seamless trade, you know the one on our doorstep where 45% of our exports go.'

' Yeah!  Great idea'.

How stupid can one get?

1 minute ago, bannork said:

The circumstances are all of their own making, right from the Leave campaign and its false promises. Is the National Health getting an extra £350 million a week since January 1st?

I love my country but you can't beat Brexit for sheer stupidity.

'I know! Let's leave that massive market we belong to with seamless trade, you know the one on our doorstep where 45% of our exports go.'

' Yeah!  Great idea'.

How stupid can one get?

You love your country, you've only been there once in 40 years. ????????????

39 minutes ago, vogie said:

You love your country, you've only been there once in 40 years. ????????????

I guess you never heard the saying 

 

Absence makes the heart grow fonder ????

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

I guess you never heard the saying 

 

Absence makes the heart grow fonder ????

Or as the French say absinthe makes the water go blonder.

On 2/9/2021 at 11:22 AM, snoop1130 said:

Britain has suffered “one or two teething issues” in exporting fish to the European Union after Brexit, the country’s environment minister said on Tuesday, in comments that are likely to anger fishermen struggling to trade

What do you mean, living in an alternative reality?

Or, to quote the title of a great Supertramp album: "Crisis, what crisis?"

3 hours ago, vogie said:

You love your country, you've only been there once in 40 years. ????????????

I've been back to visit 8 or 9 times. The last time was very confusing, there was no cashier in the shop at Paddington station, I only had a £20 note and they expected me to trust a machine to give me change for a sandwich which cost something ludicrous like £2.50.

Whatever happened to the personal touch?