Another Thai woman dies after receiving AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab

[richard_smith237]

41 minutes ago, terryp said:

both my parents had the AZ first shot on 21 Jan 2021 ..neither had any on going medical issues both were fit and healthy (never had problems with Breathing heart, kidneys , diabetes etc both non smokers never drank alcohol)....

My father started having reactions from the 2nd day after receiving the injection & sadly died 53 days later from a AMI (heart attack).....My mother had many different reactions that changed weekly from rashes, blinding headaches, blood clots , body swellings, could not stand unsupported lasted 106 days and died from an AMI (heart attack)....My Mothers doctor admitted to her 4 days before her death that it was her immune system attacking her body and he had no idea what to do and for her not to take the 2nd shot.......I am going thro hell sorting out 2 wills etc as sole executor 

 

TOO MANY PEOPLE have absolutely no idea whats going on and are basically brainwashed ...but I hope you think long and hard before letting anyone convince you to take this muck.

 

I am not interested in anyone's pro vax stand I am living with the consequence  of loosing Both my parents in less than 4 months of them being injected ...to me this is state mandated murder

 

I’m terribly sorry for your loss - an incredibly difficult situation. I thought careful about what I am posting next and wish no disrespect you whatsoever. 

 

 

I want to remove emotion from evaluation of the vaccines which is incredibly difficult to do when someone close to you has passed. 

 

My Parents are 78 and 82 - the will pass soon. At that age, the could pass any day.

They have both had the vaccines (two vaccinations).

 

My parents could pass from a heart attack, a stroke, they could catch a cold or influenza and suffer auto-immune issues. One thing is for sure the statistical probability of a health issue increases with each passing day.

 

The statistical probability of a death for a 75-84 year old (male) is 1 in 15 that they will pass that year. 

The statistical probability of death for a >85 year old (male) is 1 in 6  that they will pass that year. 

 

Because they had had the vaccines, its very unlikely they will die of complications due to Covid-19 or influenza.

 

It is looking possible that the Covid-19 Delta Variant (B.1.167.2) could still impact them. But the reality is, if they were to pass this year it is far more likely to be caused something else than the vaccine, no matter how much we would like to blame outside or artificial influences. 

 

 

 

 

[connda]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

However, autopsies will show that the cause was not the vaccine, however, by that time the ‘mud has stuck’ and the real news is no where near as interesting or dramatical as the conspiracy... 

Autopsies will not show anything other than those things that the coroner has experience determining.

That does not mean that the vaccines are not the proximal cause that creates a cascading set of events that leads to organ failure and death.

As research comes to the light of day showing the mechanisms responsible that leads to sickness or death post-vaccination, then coroners will have the tools to determine causation.  The vaccines have been around less than a year so investigation into these mRNA and vector vaccine adverse reactions is in its infancy.

[richard_smith237]

32 minutes ago, EricTh said:

@terryp

 

The Thai government (and some people here) is still denying that AZ causes blood clots. When the blood clots form in the heart, it can be fatal. 

 

There are many reports of deaths caused by AZ all over the world and AZ even stated that blood clot is a confirmed but 'rare' side effect.

 

I've posted a link in another thread on the scientific reason why it cause blood clot so I won't link again.

 

The ‘rare’ blood clots are VITT - which are blood clots caused by the ‘thinning effect’ due to a reduction of platelets, this actually causes ‘existing plateless to fall out of blood suspension and cause clots in areas of ‘restriction’ most likely to be the brain.

 

It has been reported that the incidence of VITT clotting following he AZ vaccine is 4 in 1,000,000. 

 

There is also the potential risk of conventional Thrombosis (DVT and PE) which impacts 1 in 1000 per year anyway (before vaccines).  It is possible vaccine side effects as your body fights, as it would with a cold etc causes some degree of dehydration which could contribute towards a thrombotic event. 

 

As with anyone who suffers a cold, a hangover etc.... headaches are a symptom of dehydration - drink fluids !!! - this is important anyway, anytime, and equally as important after a vaccine. 

 

Thormbosis is one of the largest causes of death - 1 in 4 people will have a thrombotic event in their lifetime. 

[beau thai]

26 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Back of the napkin calculation:

 

Last week, about 2,000,000 people were vaccinated in Thailand, which translates to about 2-3% of Thailand's population.

 

1,500 people die in Thailand on average on each day, so you'd expect that, last week, at least 200 people who also happened to get vaccinated that same week, died.

 

Add to this that old and ill people were over-represented among those who were vaccinated this early into the campaign, and the real number can be expected to be even higher.

 

Even if the vaccines were perfectly safe, you could get literally hundreds of reports like this one for last week alone. Unless causation is proven, the fact that they all died shortly after receiving the vaccine in itself is meaningless.

And many relatives will be biased towards blaming the vaccine so thay they qualify for the government payout

[connda]

Just now, connda said:

Autopsies will not show anything other than those things that the coroner has experience determining.

That does not mean that the vaccines are not the proximal cause that creates a cascading set of events that leads to organ failure and death.

As research comes to the light of day showing the mechanisms responsible that leads to sickness or death post-vaccination, then coroners will have the tools to determine causation.  The vaccines have been around less than a year so investigation into these mRNA and vector vaccine adverse reactions is in its infancy.

However, it will not be those promoting the vaccines as "safe" that will be conducting research into adverse reactions.  On the contrary, there will be massive push-back by vaccine stakeholders to not investigate the adverse reactions at all.
In the atmosphere of the Covid Vaccines Forever (every 6 months to 12 month boosters) program there are huge sums of future revenues and profits at stake.  Human greed alone is the first indication that research into adverse reaction will be crushed and repressed if at all possible.  Scientists investigating these issues will be called everything but scientists and human-beings. 
It's coming.....watch for it.

[bkk_bwana]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

When ±1500 people die each day every day in Thailand (on average) and while Thailand is rolling out mass vaccinations it a statistical certainty tha tmany will die on the day they take the vaccines, some before some after etc.

 

When the news reports that someone died after taking the vaccine it the vast majority of cases the timing is merely coincidental.

 

 

 

Thank you sir. The statistical voice of reason.

[DigitalCryminal]

 

AstraZeneca Shots Should Be Halted for Over-60s Too: EU Official

https://www.theepochtimes.com/astrazeneca-shots-should-be-halted-for-over-60s-too-eu-official_3856281.html

 

[Henryford]

It's odd that when someone dies within 30 days of a positive Covid test then of course they died of Covid. But if someone dies with 30 days of a vaccine jab then of course they died of underlying medical conditions.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Hepbub said:

So were the results of the autopsy published in the media? My wife only sees the deaths reported , no results of the actual cause of death. Did the person have any health issues? this latest lady had high blood pressure, but that could mean anything!

 

Which brings the question whether, at 83, was she checked / asked by a dr. or a nurse about other conditions including BP? 

 

Further, upcountry (and in Bkk) I suspect there will be many many older folks who are very frightened by anybody in authority / in a uniform so they don't speak up and/or they indicate that everything is OK because they don't want to appear to be confronting the authority persons.  

[Sheryl]

14 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

People focus on Pfizer/Moderna.. and their "mRNA" technology

 

But they totally forget that AstraZeneca (and J&J) use A NEW TECHNOLOGY as well... And furthermore, use a "GMO", aka a genetically modified organism.

 

Both modify genetically... an other virus (for AstraZeneca,  a chimpanzee adenovirus) as a vector.

 

This technology has never been used on a large scale. In 2020, they created a vaccine with this technology... against Ebola...

 

 

 

i would hardly call a technology that has been around for some 50 years "new".

 

Aside from Ebola vaccine, adenoviral vectors are used in cancer therapy an have been for almost a decade.

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Hepbub said:

We hear of these deaths, but no-one hears of any related illnesses which might have contributed to the death. My wife is terrified of getting the vaccine now because of these stories. people should be forced to print the results of how the person died. Not just "died after receiving the AZ jab". That is just scare mongering!

"We hear of these deaths, but no-one hears of any related illnesses which might have contributed to the death".

Try reading the link, this woman was 73 and suffered from high blood pressure and diabetes.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Hepbub said:

So were the results of the autopsy published in the media? My wife only sees the deaths reported , no results of the actual cause of death. Did the person have any health issues? this latest lady had high blood pressure, but that could mean anything!

She was also a 73-year old diabetic!

[billd766]

57 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

She died of a massive heart attack - the vaccines do not cause the right atrium of the heart to rupture. 

 

 

 

 

 

I am trying to keep an open mind about ANY vaccines given.

 

One curious thought though. A few deaths have been reported but not how many jabs given, and it only seems as though AZ is the culprit. Sinovac etc don't appear to be reported as giving any problems at all. 

 

Perhaps I should get a tinfoil hat, but it seems odd that ONLY AZ causes this problem.

 

OTOH how many Thais go to the hospital regularly for a check up? I wrote in another thread that I felt pretty normal apart from a shortness of breath while I was working in Bangladesh back in 2006.

 

I had a quick health check and it was found that I had narrowed and a hardening of the aorta wall. I came back to Thailand and at the Bangkok International hospital a week later I had not 1 but 2 stents put in and I am on blood thinners for life.

 

The question is, that if I hadn't gone for a checkup when I did would I have had a stroke or a heart attack and possibly died?

 

Unless you know a persons medical history you cannot for certain say if there were any pre-existing medical problems.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

That's why I prefer to do my own research rather than listen to what some forummers said

How will you do that research? Have the vaccine and see if you get a blood clot!

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Hepbub said:

We hear of these deaths, but no-one hears of any related illnesses which might have contributed to the death. My wife is terrified of getting the vaccine now because of these stories. people should be forced to print the results of how the person died. Not just "died after receiving the AZ jab". That is just scare mongering!

generates advertising and clicks for the media. 

[DigitalCryminal]

Here's Italian 18 years old Camilla Canepa died after AstraZeneca jab recently.

She got it on open jab days.

 

https://www.italy24news.com/News/79914.html

Edited June 14, 2021 by DigitalCryminal

[RichardColeman]

From link : The woman’s son revealed that she was taking her regular medications for high-blood pressure and diabetes and that his mother’s health was, in general, normal

 

So, just as possible she died of a high blood pressure diabetes issue

[Marco100]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Oh boy another one. Those "Chinese vaccines" so many were endlessly dumping on now don't look so bad.

Well an additional quest would be to know if by chance she was positive to Covid as I had a friend who got vaccinated beeing asymptomatic and had a real hard time ....

[rumak]

43 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

Unfortunately, most of the people do not understand, have no references, do not study history etc. They just give their full confidence to medias and governments...

 

and by studying history.......... some might say those two entities are not exactly the brightest group of people .     the most self-serving and hiding behind positions of power, maybe.

But certainly not the brightest.

[wprime]

1 hour ago, Antonymous said:

 

Yesterday BBC reporting 42 deaths in England of the Covid Delta variant and that almost half of the people who have died of the Delta variant were vaccinated!

 

This is the short clip of the actual announcement on BBC. Notice how confused the newsreader is:

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1403830591301242883

 

This is great news. Since vaccinated people were less than half of the dead yet account for 78% of the population, the vaccine clearly works!

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Antonymous said:

 

Yesterday BBC reporting 42 deaths in England of the Covid Delta variant and that almost half of the people who have died of the Delta variant were vaccinated!

 

This is the short clip of the actual announcement on BBC. Notice how confused the newsreader is:

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1403830591301242883

 

"Out of 33,000 cases analysed by PHE and confirmed to be the Delta variant since February, 223 have been admitted to hospital - most were unvaccinated or had only had only dose, and 20 people were fully vaccinated.

And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57441677

[KhaoYai]

1 hour ago, terryp said:

TOO MANY PEOPLE have absolutely no idea whats going on and are basically brainwashed ...but I hope you think long and hard before letting anyone convince you to take this muck.

How do you account for the millions that have had the AZ vaccine and are fine?  I've had both vaccinations without even the slightest hint of side effects.

 

I am sure that the relevant authorities and the manufacturer itself will be looking into the reported deaths and as a matter of urgency, any potential allergic reactions need to be found and categorised to enable those at risk to be identified. This has been done with other vaccines.

 

My condolences regarding the death of your parents who's cases sound suspicious but such matters need serious examination before attributing blame to the vaccine. It must be remembered that Covid 19 is a killer and is responsible for almost 4 million (recorded) deaths worldwide.  The fact that some die some time after having their injections could be coincidental.

 

I had no reaction to the AZ vaccine and will happily have it again when the time comes.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

i would hardly call a technology that has been around for some 50 years "new".

 

Aside from Ebola vaccine, adenoviral vectors are used in cancer therapy an have been for almost a decade.

 

There's a very different calculus between treating a cancer that's 99% going to kill you if left untreated, vs preventing a virus that has a death rate of perhaps 1%.  Cancer treatments are not know for being benign.  In many cases, it's basically a race to see if the cancer dies first, or the patient.

 

The technology has been around for a long time, pretty much on the shelf waiting for an opportunity to monetize it on the masses.  Statistically, it still looks good in the short term.  With the caveat of a small number of tragedies.  My concern is the long term.  We won't have a clue for years...

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by impulse

[Fex Bluse]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Oh boy another one. Those "Chinese vaccines" so many were endlessly dumping on now don't look so bad.

 

No, notwithstanding the fact you have no evidence the vaccine is the culprit, the Chinese vaccines are STILL worse. 

 

[cclub75]

9 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

How do you account for the millions that have had the AZ vaccine and are fine?  I've had both vaccinations without even the slightest hint of side effects.

 

I had no reaction to the AZ vaccine and will happily have it again when the time comes.

 

How do you know ?

 

You have injected yourself with... a product based on a new technology (read my previous message).

 

Did you know it ? Were you fully aware of those facts when you took the jabs ?

 

So how come you can say now "I've had both vaccination without even the slightest hint of side effect"... ?

 

Do you have reports and data  3 years later ? 5 years later ? 10 years later ?

 

You don't, because AstraZeneca uses a new technology for which we have NO DATA LONG TERM.

 

Why is that so hard to understand and to... accept ?

Edited June 14, 2021 by cclub75

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Fex Bluse said:

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Oh boy another one. Those "Chinese vaccines" so many were endlessly dumping on now don't look so bad.

 

No, notwithstanding the fact you have no evidence the vaccine is the culprit, the Chinese vaccines are STILL worse. 

 

 

 

There is no evidence that the Chinese vaccines are ‘worse’ with regards to potential health impact. 

 

What you may have meant is that the Sinovac vaccine is reported to not perform as well at preventing Covid-19. 

 

Reports suggest Sinovac is 50.4% effective at preventing infection. Its 78% effective at preventing ‘symptoms’ with the remaining 22% presenting with minor to moderate symptoms of Covid-19.

 

Reports indicate that Sinovac, along with all the other vaccines are 100% effective at preventing Covid-19 related deaths. 

 

 

In addition to this: No vaccine is worse than Sinovac is 100%.

 

My Wife’s parents took Sinovac today, there was a potential to opt for AZ next week, but my Wife advised that given the U-turns and misinformation its likely the AZ vaccine will not be available at the hospital my In Laws are registered at.

 

The safe option at the moment is to take what you can while you can and ‘boost’ 6 months from now with a vaccine which may be more effective. 

[cclub75]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

i would hardly call a technology that has been around for some 50 years "new".

 

Aside from Ebola vaccine, adenoviral vectors are used in cancer therapy an have been for almost a decade.

 

 

 

Sorry but this is preposterous. Cancer is not a virus. And the guinea pigs who took those "cancer genetic therapies"... how many of them are still ALIVE... 3 years... 5 years... 10 years later ? Hum ?

 

Please enlighten us...

 

As for the "50 years old technology"... When it was used on such a large scale ? And on humans ?

 

Please again enlighten us...

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by cclub75

[cclub75]

7 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

Sorry but this is preposterous. Cancer is not a virus. And the guinea pigs who took those "cancer genetic therapies"... how many of them are still ALIVE... 3 years... 5 years... 10 years later ? Hum ?

 

Please enlighten us...

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by cclub75

[Ventenio]

China's plan for total World Domination.

 

This is step 2.  

 

Funny how immediately all the falangs now want the Chinese shot, against AZ, and seem to side with China.  

 

maybe give China an award for the virus, another award for the vaccine, and then another award when they move in next door.  

 

give me the AZ jab......i'll take it

 

 

[RichardColeman]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There is no evidence that the Chinese vaccines are ‘worse’ with regards to potential health impact. 

People of Chile might disagree somewhat ! Their stats appear higher now than before they started using the Chinese gunk !