Thailand reports 4,059 new COVID-19 cases, 35 more deaths

[shdmn]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet, lets throw caution to the wind and to hell or high water we will open up the Sandbox in Phuket and the three islands....wonderful plan to assist the coffers and filling up the pockets of business people before the door slams shut permanently on them due to the unforeseen cataclysmic events that are starting to rear their ugly heads called the Delta variant and the Vietnam variant which is now on the move......Vaccinations are far behind where they need to be.

So now you serial whiners are suddenly concerned about vaccination?  I thought you all agreed to complain about them not being able pull off the organization of it before? 

 

That's what the complainers here do.  When their predictions of doom and gloom never come true they just move the goal posts or move on to complaining about the next shiny object.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, shdmn said:

So now you serial whiners are suddenly concerned about vaccination?  I thought you all agreed to complain about them not being able pull off the organization of it before? 

 

That's what the complainers here do.  When their predictions of doom and gloom never come true they just move the goal posts or move on to complaining about the next shiny object.

I think you have me confused with someone.  Calling posters on this forum serial whiners is way out in left field.  No one has ever mentioned they could not pull it off.  Many have stated that it would be unwise with the virus and the lack of vaccinations as they originally stated they needed 70% vaccinated in Phuket to open.  They still do not have that number and it appears they will not by July 1st as many still need second jabs.  However, go on and continue to moan about those who post, I wouldn't want to rain on your parade and ruin your rant.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, club said:

It was easy enough for 1.5 million to fly out on international flights and infect the world

Indeed it was.
 

Although that was before the lockdown wasn’t it. So not really relevant to the issue of whether it was easy to lockdown wuhan, a city of 11 million people, but much more difficult to lockdown London, a city of 9 million people.

 

but thanks for the smart Alec comment.

 

 

[riparian]

24 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

To answer you succinctly, there are studies that have shown that becoming overweight is a major risk factor in developing type 2 diabetes. So today, roughly 30 percent of overweight people have the disease.  Type 1 diabetes is less common than type 2 and approximately 5% to 10% of people with diabetes have type 1.  Mine is classified as steroid induced diabetes, which is not very prevalent.  80% of all diabetics are overweight and diabetes is what causes people to put on the pounds.  As a diabetic, type 2, loosing weight is extremely hard because your body tries to hold onto the sugars and fat storage.  Type 1 diabetics are generally thin.

 

It is an insidious disease and one that apparently Covid loves to exploit and diabetes covers many of the bodies systems and functions.

 

Stay safe @ThailandRyan

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"I don't think even Thailand's government could ever pull off or get away with such a Chinese Communist style restriction of people's liberties! “

 

Not allowing people to leave their homes is about enforcement.  The UK government didn't and couldn't restrict people's freedoms in such a way.  Just look at Dominic Cummings!

 

I hope this clears it up for you.  Sorry for the confusion.  The attached article makes the point I was trying to make better then me.  Hope it helps.

 

https://time.com/5796425/china-coronavirus-lockdown/

Okaaay. Let’s pull it up for a third time shall we.

 

”By a "complete lockdown", do you mean not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food?  I don't think even Thailand's government could ever pull off or get away with such a Chinese Communist style restriction of people’s liberties”

 

1. In your first sentence, you self describe a “complete lockdown”, as “not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food?”

 

2. In your second you say that you don’t think even Thailand’s government could carry out such a lock down. And go on to describe it as a Chinese style restriction of civil liberties.

 

3. Another member posted that Australia had a complete lockdown as per your definition. You took issue with that and the two of you went back and forth.

 

4. I told you that the UK had a complete lockdown as per your definition. You took issue with that, saying they had strict restrictions, but not house restrictions, then you talked of border closures, then you started on the tack of saying well, yes, there were house restrictions but they weren’t applied in the same way as in China.

 

breaking news, I know how the lockdown was applied in Wuhan. They had a complete lockdown and were not allowed to leave their apartments buildings, even for food.  But let’s check back to your original post. It makes no mention of Wuhan, or a lockdown where people cannot go out for food. Or comparing the UK with Wuhan.These are just deflections you have introduced at a later stage.

 

I have a sister in Yorkshire, a son in Hertfordshire and a mother in Cornwall. You say you have friends and relatives in the UK and are fully aware of the UK situation. In which case, you know full well that in the spring the UK had house restrictions in place that can only be described as a complete lockdown, by not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason, except to buy food.
 

And that my friend is exactly the definition of a complete lockdown that you stated in your original post. 

 

there is no point comparing the UK lockdown to the Wuhan lockdown, or New York lockdown or Bangkok lockdown or any other place you want want to drag into the conversation.

 

the UK had a complete lockdown by not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food. That was what you said couldn’t be pulled off by the Thai government because it represented Chinese style restriction of people liberties. And yet, it was what was imposed in the UK during the spring and last time I checked, they don’t have a communist government.
 

 

 

[phills2k1]

52 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet, lets throw caution to the wind and to hell or high water we will open up the Sandbox in Phuket and the three islands....wonderful plan to assist the coffers and filling up the pockets of business people before the door slams shut permanently on them due to the unforeseen cataclysmic events that are starting to rear their ugly heads called the Delta variant and the Vietnam variant which is now on the move......Vaccinations are far behind where they need to be.

You know what's going to be fun?  When eased-restrictions lead to insane case numbers and a nail in the coffin for tourism, everyone who's been yelling about how things need to be fully open will then say, "well there's nothing we could've done to prevent this"

[phills2k1]

12 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Okaaay. Let’s pull it up for a third time shall we.

 

”By a "complete lockdown", do you mean not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food?  I don't think even Thailand's government could ever pull off or get away with such a Chinese Communist style restriction of people’s liberties”

 

1. In your first sentence, you self describe a “complete lockdown”, as “not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food?”

 

2. In your second you say that you don’t think even Thailand’s government could carry out such a lock down. And go on to describe it as a Chinese style restriction of civil liberties.

 

3. Another member posted that Australia had a complete lockdown as per your definition. You took issue with that and the two of you went back and forth.

 

4. I told you that the UK had a complete lockdown as per your definition. You took issue with that, saying they had strict restrictions, but not house restrictions, then you talked of border closures, then you started on the tack of saying well, yes, there were house restrictions but they weren’t applied in the same way as in China.

 

breaking news, I know how the lockdown was applied in Wuhan. They had a complete lockdown and were not allowed to leave their apartments buildings, even for food.  But let’s check back to your original post. It makes no mention of Wuhan, or a lockdown where people cannot go out for food. Or comparing the UK with Wuhan.These are just deflections you have introduced at a later stage.

 

I have a sister in Yorkshire, a son in Hertfordshire and a mother in Cornwall. You say you have friends and relatives in the UK and are fully aware of the UK situation. In which case, you know full well that in the spring the UK had house restrictions in place that can only be described as a complete lockdown, by not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason, except to buy food.
 

And that my friend is exactly the definition of a complete lockdown that you stated in your original post. 

 

there is no point comparing the UK lockdown to the Wuhan lockdown, or New York lockdown or Bangkok lockdown or any other place you want want to drag into the conversation.

 

the UK had a complete lockdown by not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food. That was what you said couldn’t be pulled off by the Thai government because it represented Chinese style restriction of people liberties. And yet, it was what was imposed in the UK during the spring and last time I checked, they don’t have a communist government.
 

 

 

I truly respect your dedication to trying to get him to admit he was wrong, but it's not going to happen.  For people like him, it's physiologically impossible to admit being wrong about anything.

 

You can keep throwing out his actual words to show how and why he was wrong (in an informed and orderly manner such as how you've been doing), and while it's clear as day to all of us, someone like him will dig in and find any sort of semantics or "well I REALLY meant this" they can instead of just saying, "hand up, I was wrong and you were right"

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, phills2k1 said:

I truly respect your dedication to trying to get him to admit he was wrong, but it's not going to happen.  For people like him, it's physiologically impossible to admit being wrong about anything.

 

You can keep throwing out his actual words to show how and why he was wrong (in an informed and orderly manner such as how you've been doing), and while it's clear as day to all of us, someone like him will dig in and find any sort of semantics or "well I REALLY meant this" they can instead of just saying, "hand up, I was wrong and you were right"

 I do like a challenge ????????????????. 
 

but how boring for everyone else……

[phills2k1]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

 I do like a challenge ????????????????. 
 

but how boring for everyone else……

Hah definitely not boring. Always fun to see how he'll spin your post into some other BS about how he's not wrong

[brewsterbudgen]

22 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

I truly respect your dedication to trying to get him to admit he was wrong, but it's not going to happen.  For people like him, it's physiologically impossible to admit being wrong about anything.

 

You can keep throwing out his actual words to show how and why he was wrong (in an informed and orderly manner such as how you've been doing), and while it's clear as day to all of us, someone like him will dig in and find any sort of semantics or "well I REALLY meant this" they can instead of just saying, "hand up, I was wrong and you were right"

 

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be wrong about or why it matters so much!  I don't think Thailand is ready for or would put up with a "Chinese style" lockdown.  I quite accept others disagree.  As for comparing what happened in China with Boris' weak government, I just find it ludicrous to suggest that they were the same.  But Mr Wensien seems to think our disagreement is important and for some reason it bothers him.  For that, I'm sorry, and apologise.  Hopefully we can now move on as this silly argument, while mildly amusing, isn't really relevant to the topic of the thread.

[phills2k1]

55 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be wrong about or why it matters so much!  I don't think Thailand is ready for or would put up with a "Chinese style" lockdown.  I quite accept others disagree.  As for comparing what happened in China with Boris' weak government, I just find it ludicrous to suggest that they were the same.  But Mr Wensien seems to think our disagreement is important and for some reason it bothers him.  For that, I'm sorry, and apologise.  Hopefully we can now move on as this silly argument, while mildly amusing, isn't really relevant to the topic of the thread.

 

You originally referenced a "complete lockdown" as being fully restricted to one's home except for getting food and that it's not possible.  Multiple people claimed that this is in fact possible, as it's happened in the UK, Australia, and for me, happened in NYC (as well as other major cities) last Spring during weeks of shelter in place orders.  

 

When this was pointed out, you then completely ignored what everyone said and decided to harp on how Thailand wouldn't be able to enact a "Wuhan-type lockdown," which not a single person said they could or should do. 

 

This is what wensiensheng kept on pointing out, in clear and certain terms, and you kept on completely ignoring while continuing to change the topic to something that nobody had been or was discussing, the "Wuhan lockdown".

 

If you could merely admit that the "complete lockdown," AS YOU ORIGINALLY DEFINED IT, is possible and has been successful in multiple other countries / cities, then we can finally move past this and stop thinking you're a sociopath that's unable to admit being wrong

[brewsterbudgen]

13 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

 

You originally referenced a "complete lockdown" as being fully restricted to one's home except for getting food and that it's not possible.  Multiple people claimed that this is in fact possible, as it's happened in the UK, Australia, and for me, happened in NYC (as well as other major cities) last Spring during weeks of shelter in place orders.  

 

When this was pointed out, you then completely ignored what everyone said and decided to harp on how Thailand wouldn't be able to enact a "Wuhan-type lockdown," which not a single person said they could or should do. 

 

This is what wensiensheng kept on pointing out, in clear and certain terms, and you kept on completely ignoring while continuing to change the topic to something that nobody had been or was discussing, the "Wuhan lockdown".

 

If you could merely admit that the "complete lockdown," AS YOU ORIGINALLY DEFINED IT, is possible and has been successful in multiple other countries / cities, then we can finally move past this and stop thinking you're a sociopath that's unable to admit being wrong

OK, but I still don't believe the Chinese lockdown in Wuhan was remotely comparable to the UK lockdown, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. This forum is about opinions, after all.

 

When I said that the "complete lockdown" I described was "not possible" I meant, not possible in Thailand (perhaps that wasn't clear, for which I apologise). I still believe that, but quite accept that some disagree.

 

I do find it somewhat amusing that my post has caused a few people so much angst! It certainly wasn't intended. Maybe it's a sign of the times and we all need to get away from our keyboards and chill out! 

 

Goodnight.

 

 

[rott]

3 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Indeed it was.
 

Although that was before the lockdown wasn’t it. So not really relevant to the issue of whether it was easy to lockdown wuhan, a city of 11 million people, but much more difficult to lockdown London, a city of 9 million people.

 

but thanks for the smart Alec comment.

 

 

Big difference between one of the main financial, business, cultural, entertainment (I could go on) centres of the world and an oversized one-eyed hole (nothing personal to the place or inhabitants). 

 

Where applicable free world democracy and communist dictatorship may be inserted. 

Am off now hoping to sleep through the football, last time I didn't sleep till 5 then woke at 7 and spent the day feeling like a bag of washing. 

[phills2k1]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

OK, but I still don't believe the Chinese lockdown in Wuhan was remotely comparable to the UK lockdown, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. This forum is about opinions, after all.

 

When I said that the "complete lockdown" I described was "not possible" I meant, not possible in Thailand (perhaps that wasn't clear, for which I apologise). I still believe that, but quite accept that some disagree.

 

I do find it somewhat amusing that my post has caused a few people so much angst! It certainly wasn't intended. Maybe it's a sign of the times and we all need to get away from our keyboards and chill out! 

 

Goodnight.

 

 

How can one person be THIS dense?

 

Dude, your exact words were:  "By a 'complete lockdown', do you mean not allowing anyone in the country to leave their home for any reason except to buy food?  I don't think even Thailand's government could ever pull off or get away with such a Chinese Communist style restriction of people’s liberties”

 

You defined "complete lockdown" as people being restricted from leaving their homes except for getting food. We didn't define "complete lockdown" this way, you did.  What Wuhan did was vastly different than your own definition of "complete lockdown," and completely irrelevant for this conversation.  And based upon YOUR definition of "complete lockdown", multiple countries and cities successfully enacted said lockdown over the past year, and what's what people are saying could successfully be done here.

 

If you want to have a conversation about what Wuhan, where they literally locked people into their homes and didn't let them leave, then that's a different story and completely different from what was being discussed, based upon YOUR original post.  What people are looking for you to say is, "you're right, the complete lockdown I originally referenced (which entails only being able to leave to get food etc) was successfully enacted in multiple places and the rule could be enacted here"

 

Or to just acknowledge that you're changing the definition of "complete lockdown" to now mean what Wuhan did, which differs from your original post

[phills2k1]

And to everyone else, sorry for the posts. I know it's become a matter of principle at this point, but just ONCE, it would be nice for a stranger on an internet forum to admit they were wrong about something (even if it's only to say they misspoke in the beginning)

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, shdmn said:

So now you serial whiners are suddenly concerned about vaccination?  I thought you all agreed to complain about them not being able pull off the organization of it before? 

I think we've all be concerned about the vaccination plan right from the start when they never ordered enough to begin with. However feel free to defend it in any way you can, I look forward to some articulate response rather than a serial whine.

[AnnieSeek]

At least they've started to do more than 3000 tests. 

[FarFlungFalang]

9 hours ago, shdmn said:

So now you serial whiners are suddenly concerned about vaccination?  I thought you all agreed to complain about them not being able pull off the organization of it before? 

 

That's what the complainers here do.  When their predictions of doom and gloom never come true they just move the goal posts or move on to complaining about the next shiny object.

So then you come to join in the whining and complaining, do you feel left out or something and come to join the fun?Welcome!

[ThailandRyan]

52 minutes ago, AnnieSeek said:

At least they've started to do more than 3000 tests. 

possibly because they were showing symptoms as they walked into the hospital.  Had another ambulance roll up to the Soi next door to us last night after dark with the spray rig in tow and pick up another patient.  Watched it from the balcony, as they made an announcement over the loudspeaker they had informing everyone to stay indoors while they dealt with a Covid patient and sprayed the area ....crazy

[bojo]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

possibly because they were showing symptoms as they walked into the hospital.  Had another ambulance roll up to the Soi next door to us last night after dark with the spray rig in tow and pick up another patient.  Watched it from the balcony, as they made an announcement over the loudspeaker they had informing everyone to stay indoors while they dealt with a Covid patient and sprayed the area ....crazy

Blimey, sounds surreal, but maybe not to you as you used the word 'another' you're maybe used to it...............almost sounds like a disaster movie.......................interesting really how one gets hardened to things living in Thailand that one would never experience in the West.............................

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, bojo said:

Blimey, sounds surreal, but maybe not to you as you used the word 'another' you're maybe used to it...............almost sounds like a disaster movie.......................interesting really how one gets hardened to things living in Thailand that one would never experience in the West.............................

I think you are right, however it was another because at 4pm yesterday we saw the same exact scenario played out on the same soi and this time they had two ambulances carting folks off.  Looks like that side soi may be locked down in the near future. With anyone who has tested positive being removed from their homes via ambulance and taken to a facility it is surreal.  It is more than likely also why this virus continues to spread as people do not want to be separated from their families if they are found positive and so do not go and test.  Just watched the morning news where they showed a very young child being loaded into an ambulance and screaming because they did not want to go alone.  Stories like that just <deleted> me off.

[Excel]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I think you are right. With anyone who has tested positive being removed from their homes via ambulance and taken to a facility it is surreal.  It is more than likely also why this virus continues to spread as people do not want to be separated from their families if they are found positive and so do not go and test.  Just watched the morning news where they showed a very young child being loaded into an ambulance and screaming because they did not want to go alone.  Stories like that just <deleted> me off.

And also those poor people who had to live in tents because no beds were available. My heart goes out to all of those people

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COVID-19: Thailand reports 51 more deaths and 3,174 new case

 

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Thailand on Wednesday (June 23) reported 3,174 new COVID-19 cases and 51 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

 

Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1221390-covid-19-thailand-reports-51-more-deaths-and-3174-new-cases/

 

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