Sinovac vaccine has 71-91% efficacy against COVID-19 Alpha variant – MOPH

[jacko45k]

Sorry guys, the Alpha/UK variant is old hat now, there are tougher new kids on the block. Always just a bit late in striving to justify these vaccines.....

[mrfill]

What is the gap now between jabs? Is it still 12 weeks because that would mean the earliest this level of protection could be achieved would be September...

[jacko45k]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Doctors who treated COVID-19 in Serrana have seen their patient loads evaporate

Serrana is a small suburb of Sao Paolo isn't it, where an experiment was performed by achieving a high level of vaccination? Those doctors taking lunch at home could perhaps help elsewhere in Brazil....27,000 new infections and 658 deaths reported yesterday.

Edited June 29, 2021 by jacko45k

[jacko45k]

Just now, mrfill said:

What is the gap now between jabs? Is it still 12 weeks because that would mean the earliest this level of protection could be achieved would be September...

Depends on which brand uses, Sinovac is much shorter, recommended 2-4 weeks. 

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5 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Those doctors taking lunch at home could perhaps help elsewhere in Brazil....27,000 new infections and 658 deaths reported yesterday.

An utterly gratuitous comment.

[kiwikeith]

12 hours ago, edwinchester said:

I await the real world tests showing it's efficacy against the Indian and South African variants.

Apparently you can catch Delta and spread it whilst vaccinated. 

They say Pfizer is effective against Delta, Sino vac not so efficient,. 

That's been over many media outlets, RT, RNZ, ABC Australia. 

Thailand is being very silent about the Delta outbreak, Australia has just locked down Perth as of now, they are in a worried seriously state, they have today lowered the recommended age for a Astra shot from 60,to 40 years of age. 

They are blaming the PM for not locking down quick enough, and a slow vaccine roll out. 

 

Meanwhile the travel bubble has burst, and they have a huge problem on their hands with Delta spreading from one case in Bondi, to all over the country. 

I am amazed at how Thailand with the hospitals full, ICU's full, schools closed are still going to open up to vaccinated tourists, and how they think these tourists will be able to return home without quarantine. 

 

It's 3500 dollars NZ to get back into the country at the moment, vaccinated or not. 

Maybe the illuminated one has a secret weapon to deal with Delta, he should phone Australia and NZ and let us in on it. 

Best of luck LOS. 

[vandeventer]

12 hours ago, Shuya said:

So the study did not take place in Thailand?

Traveling is getting harder and harder .

 

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

An utterly gratuitous comment.

You are welcome.....

Edited June 29, 2021 by jacko45k

[Cake Monster]

This Chinese Noodle Soup of a vaccine may ( or may not ) be effective with Two ( 2 ) shots.

But in Thailand ony on ( 1 ) shot is being administered in the hope that somehow it will offer some protection.

It does indeed offer some protection.

less than 10 % efficacy, and against the Delta ( Indian ) Variant its about 3 %.

Better to take a dip in a bath of " Domestos " every Day.

It kills 99 % of all known germs, and the remaining 1 % are taken prisoner.

[RocketDog]

12 hours ago, Shuya said:

So the study did not take place in Thailand?

The Kingdom looks like the real world if you squint hard enough or just close your eyes.

Edited June 29, 2021 by RocketDog

[crazykopite]

12 hours ago, edwinchester said:

I await the real world tests showing it's efficacy against the Indian and South African variants.

More BS coming out of Thailand 

[RocketDog]

12 hours ago, edwinchester said:

I await the real world tests showing it's efficacy against the Indian and South African variants.

You have to wait?

Use your imagination.

 

[RocketDog]

11 hours ago, Nojohndoe said:

Unfortunately for many it is the only option to be had.

Compare a military command which if  refused to follow has (usually) repercussions .

Thailand has survived multiple internal historical medical/ infectious calamities.

I doubt a sincere declaration by an "Ex Special Forces,Former Bar Owner" will dictate the fortunes of Thailand one way or another in reality.

If you believe the barstool stories half the world's special forces have retired to the Kingdom. Don't know how many own bars though.

In any event it's a potent combination of credentials.

[RocketDog]

11 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

 

best available (non- western) factual data indicates Sinovac appears to work with minimal side effects. not the best on symptoms but might be totally effective against death or hospital case......should be taken if no western vax available..... should not dismissed on emotional (fear) basis.

 

Agreed. I dismiss it not from emotion or fear but from extensive personal experience with Chinese products in general.

That's more than sufficient reason for me to reject it whether anything else is available or not. I choose self-quarantine over snake oil.

 

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1 minute ago, RocketDog said:

Agreed. I dismiss it not from emotion or fear but from extensive personal experience with Chinese products in general.

That's more than sufficient reason for me to reject it whether anything else is available or not. I choose self-quarantine over snake oil.

 

Snake oil? Really?

 

Sinovac vaccine restores a Brazilian city to near normal

https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-brazil-coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-20bd94d28ac7b373d7a8f3f9c557e5b6

[maddermax]

They gave us the virus! I don't trust the Chinese as far as I could throw them. You could not pay me enough to take their vaccine.

Which one is it? 71% or 90% efficacy. The former I believe.

[Millcx]

13 hours ago, Shuya said:

So the study did not take place in Thailand?

The Real Real World Study said 50% .. But TAT have specialists in Phuket with dodgy calculators

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Cabana said:

Complete BS. Endless variants=endless vaccines=endless $$$. Operation Lockstep, 2010. Spars Pandemic 2025-2028, 2017. Event 201, 2020. BTW, covid is a corona virus. They mutate by nature, which is why there has never been a vaccine for the common cold, which is a corona virus.

Can you share with us info about viruses that don't mutate?

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

Doesn't work that way. Even seasonal flu changes to survive. COVID is new to humans so it's rapidly mutating to better attack its host. There is already a surprising number of more dangerous variants.  WIKI variants.

 

As for Sinovac, a vaccine that prevents death or serious illness but not infection helps generate mutations. This helps a virus learn how to get around the vaccine's immune response, and to spread more.

 

I agree with you in general, but your second sentence is misleading at best. Organisms change not to survive, but because DNA structure are constantly changing for a variety of reasons. It appears that survival is the reason, but the reality is that successful mutations simply live to procreate.

Evolution is not intelligent, its just a numbers game. Throw the dice often enough and you'll get whatever combination you're looking for.

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2 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

I agree with you in general, but your second sentence is misleading at best. Organisms change not to survive, but because DNA structure are constantly changing for a variety of reasons. It appears that survival is the reason, but the reality is that successful mutations simply live to procreate.

Evolution is not intelligent, its just a numbers game. Throw the dice often enough and you'll get whatever combination you're looking for.

It's just a shorthand way of talking about it. Otherwise, you have to go through a little song-and-dance each time. Rabas' fundamental point is correct.

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, Venom said:

But if they are manufacturing the AZ locally why all the emphasis is on the low grade Chinese produced sinovac? I just don't get it. 

Not only that, but now Thailand is setting up a clinical trial for yet another homebrew vaccine.

The world doesn't need more different brands of vaccine. It needs more doses of those already proven to work. As usual tribalism and nationalism triumphs to the detriment of the race.

[mtls2005]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thailand’s Public Health Ministry announced the results of a real world study of the efficacy of the Chinese-made Sinovac

 

"real world"?

 

And this study has been published?

 

 

On the plus side, at least they didn't claim an efficacy of greater than 100%.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Not only that, but now Thailand is setting up a clinical trial for yet another homebrew vaccine.

The world doesn't need more different brands of vaccine. It needs more doses of those already proven to work. As usual tribalism and nationalism triumphs to the detriment of the race.

There are also a large number of vaccines already in developement. Some in Phase 3 trials. Just a waste of resources.

[jacko45k]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Snake oil? Really?

 

Sinovac vaccine restores a Brazilian city to near normal

https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-brazil-coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-20bd94d28ac7b373d7a8f3f9c557e5b6

It appears to be rather a small city of under 46,000. Encouraging, but we need to add it to negative reports from Israel and The Seychelles. It seems to be designed to provide support for the Sinovac vaccine....  to a cynical crowd.

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Just now, jacko45k said:

It appears to be rather a small city of under 46,000. Encouraging, but we need to add it to negative reports from Israel and The Seychelles. It seems to be designed to provide support for the Sinovac vaccine....  to a cynical crowd.

What we need to do is look at the details.

95% of adults were fully vaccinated. No country has reached that level.

 Elsewhere I read that when 75% of the adults were vaccinated that seemed to be when herd immunity was reached. You have to add in that approximately 25% of the population had already been affected. So that gives an effective expercentage of 81% who had been either inoculated with dead virus or infected with live virus.

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

I agree with you in general, but your second sentence is misleading at best. Organisms change not to survive, but because DNA structure are constantly changing for a variety of reasons. It appears that survival is the reason, but the reality is that successful mutations simply live to procreate.

Evolution is not intelligent, its just a numbers game. Throw the dice often enough and you'll get whatever combination you're looking for.

 

I would not argue except you state it is misleading to say 'a virus learns to circumvent the bodies immune response'.  It is not misleading in any way. I did not mention 'survival', you did, though even survival is not misleading. 

 

The mechanism by which 'successful' mutations dominate are broadly understood and not only occur in the body. We are watching the Indian-delta variant win out over UK-alpha as we speak in Bangkok.

 

According to the BP post this AM, delta has now increased to 25% over alpha in Bangkok.

 

[Dirk Z]

For those talking about placebo and double-blind, this is a study that can best be called a retrospective observational cohort study. Meaning you observe a known group of subjects in a certain condition. It is a step below the gold standard of double-blind placebo controlled, but that is a completely different matter and different set-up. Studies like this are often reported in medical literature, there is nothing wrong with them as long as the conditions are clearly stated, which they are here. Then everyone can draw his own conclusions.

[sambum]

13 hours ago, rabas said:

 

I await publication of the study and data confirming this. Otherwise it may be this week's government announcement that Sinovac is a really great vaccine.  Sinovac is based on the Wuhan strain, not Alpha, and was rated at 50.4% in it's first study in Brazil, among health care workers, like this study.

 

Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine 50.4% effective

 

I would take Sinovac if nothing else were available, all vaccines can help, but lets be clear about facts.

 

I asked my doctor which vaccine he would recommend, and he said "take whatever you can get"!

[RocketDog]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's just a shorthand way of talking about it. Otherwise, you have to go through a little song-and-dance each time. Rabas' fundamental point is correct.

As I said, I agree. I was clarifying an crucial point that is often misunderstood, not being argumentative for the sake of it.

 

What exactly is the point of your reply to mine?

[sambum]

And what about AstraZeneca? Let's have a "real world study" (whatever that means) on the other only available vaccine in most of Thailand at the moment!